Non-Rawat Talk Forum - The Other Keys to Freedom

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And I know you all can help me with this one. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 13:59:11 ) ( 391 bytes ) +9

Re: And I know you all can help me with this one. --- Nik ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 15:29:01 ) ( 885 bytes ) link +1
- Re: And I know you all can help me with this one. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 17:06:12 ) ( 762 bytes ) +1
  - You've got to be kidding --- aunt bea ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 18:21:36 ) ( 778 bytes ) +1
    - Did I say a million? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 20:21:04 ) ( 2053 bytes ) +1
      - BTW, as a point of comparison --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 20:31:09 ) ( 434 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: BTW, as a point of comparison --- aunt bea ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 03:51:58 ) ( 1964 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: BTW, as a point of comparison --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 08:26:17 ) ( 2874 bytes )
        
        Re: BTW, as a point of comparison --- Nik ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 03:54:53 ) ( 934 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: BTW, as a point of comparison --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 08:35:18 ) ( 1206 bytes )

Kucinich's letter..... --- mel ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 00:38:59 ) ( 5851 bytes ) +10

Apparently it's worse than I thought. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 08:25:08 ) ( 150 bytes ) +1
- That's all you have to say? --- Jerry ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:32:35 ) ( 922 bytes ) +1
  - Re: That's all you have to say? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 12:39:58 ) ( 1292 bytes ) +1
    - Re: That's all you have to say? --- ahem ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 17:15:26 ) ( 3311 bytes ) +2
      - Of course your logic is completely consistent --- ahem ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 19:05:22 ) ( 371 bytes ) +1
        
        I'd say you've got a bigger problem than global warming. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 20:57:12 ) ( 341 bytes ) +1
        
        I don't think that is the point --- ahem ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 08:37:28 ) ( 534 bytes )
      - Re: That's all you have to say? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 20:51:46 ) ( 3132 bytes )
The Aussie/US Alliance. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 08:53:16 ) ( 214 bytes ) link +1
- Mark Steyn on same theme. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 13:34:08 ) ( 160 bytes ) link

I know you all can help me with this one --- Susan ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 01:55:33 ) ( 1337 bytes ) +10

Start with Bernard Lewis --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 08:44:06 ) ( 2056 bytes ) link +2
- I like Mark Gabriel, myself --- Jerry ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:51:41 ) ( 588 bytes ) link +2
  - Thanks I'll try that too --- Susan ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 10:26:20 ) ( 200 bytes )
  - I'm so glad you asked. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 12:52:23 ) ( 559 bytes ) link
- I may actually do that with the trash.... --- Susan ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 10:24:08 ) ( 290 bytes ) +1
  - 5th anniversary 9/11 got me --- Susan ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 10:53:36 ) ( 892 bytes ) +1
    - Re: 5th anniversary 9/11 got me --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 21:19:26 ) ( 467 bytes ) +1
      - I don't really feel very admirable --- Susan ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 23:23:06 ) ( 395 bytes )
Re: I know you all can help me with this one --- PatD ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 13:22:14 ) ( 500 bytes )
Re: I know you all can help me with this one --- Milarepa ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 05:12:59 ) ( 593 bytes ) link

To Mel, continuing from below --- JHB ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 15:08:52 ) ( 6271 bytes ) +10

John's "Twilight Zone"...... --- mel ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 21:43:12 ) ( 2817 bytes ) +1
- Re: John's "Twilight Zone"...... --- JHB ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 01:34:13 ) ( 107 bytes )
Re: To Mel, continuing from below --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 22:29:27 ) ( 2865 bytes ) +3
- Oh yeah, about deterrence. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 22:37:59 ) ( 467 bytes )
- Conjecture and coefficients. --- mel ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 23:41:25 ) ( 1153 bytes ) +3
  - ...and the real costs ! --- mel ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 00:09:35 ) ( 200 bytes )
  - What's with the quotes? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 08:14:39 ) ( 3530 bytes )
  - Juan's a scary mutha, ain't he? --- Jerry ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 10:19:39 ) ( 330 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Juan's a scary mutha, ain't he? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 13:03:53 ) ( 1380 bytes )
- informative thanks (no text) --- Susan ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 10:35:54 ) ( 0 bytes )

What the Pope was really saying... and Phyllis Heitjan. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 13:30:01 ) ( 1998 bytes ) link +4

'Modern Reason' is unfairly maligned --- JHB ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 18:04:54 ) ( 622 bytes ) +2
- I beg to differ --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 19:31:05 ) ( 5076 bytes ) +1
  - I guess I could be ignorant on this --- JHB ( Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 01:48:51 ) ( 599 bytes )
- Also, are you sure we're "modern"? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 22:48:15 ) ( 682 bytes )

My new letter to Michael Enright re the pope's comments --- Jim ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 14:13:54 ) ( 1789 bytes )

John ... --- Dermot ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 20:03:46 ) ( 354 bytes ) +1

I think everything's fine now .. (no text) --- Dermot ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 20:41:50 ) ( 0 bytes )

More absurd appeasement to Islam --- JHB ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 15:09:54 ) ( 449 bytes ) link +1

Re: More absurd appeasement to Islam --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 22:43:17 ) ( 1070 bytes ) link

How dumb is Chavez? --- Jerry ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 13:39:53 ) ( 495 bytes ) +6

Some people see tolerance as weakness. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 14:10:13 ) ( 129 bytes )
Re: How dumb is Chavez?...very? --- Dermot ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 15:13:41 ) ( 1160 bytes ) +1
- That sounds about right --- Jerry ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 11:17:23 ) ( 428 bytes ) link +1
  - Re: That sounds about right --- Dermot ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 13:06:58 ) ( 916 bytes ) link
Re: How dumb is Chavez? (no text) --- Padre Mickey ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 10:05:58 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
- Cat got your tongue? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 22:18:08 ) ( 1363 bytes ) link

Can you really disagree with this, Mel? --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 17:11:41 ) ( 1704 bytes ) link +59

Re: Can you really disagree with this, Mel? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 19:29:37 ) ( 1285 bytes )
Can I really disagree? --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 21:47:50 ) ( 134 bytes ) +3
- Is there any point where you would say "enough"and tell them to stu... --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:15:00 ) ( 782 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Is there any point where you would say "enough"and tell them to... --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:43:58 ) ( 1424 bytes ) +2
    - Mel, you're just wasting your time with us. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:58:31 ) ( 553 bytes )
    - Didn't you know? The pope was just kidding. Like Rushdie --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 23:05:47 ) ( 199 bytes ) +1
      - Uh... oh, Archbishop of Canterbury "exacerbating violence." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 08:47:28 ) ( 1449 bytes ) link
- I DO believe in reincarnation...... you ARE --- NAR ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 09:53:33 ) ( 1286 bytes ) +1
  - Reincarnation, Chamberlain, Jihadis and personal safety... --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 19:45:35 ) ( 1928 bytes ) +4
    - There Mel goes again!!!!! --- Jim ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 19:56:42 ) ( 408 bytes ) +2
      - Re: There Mel goes again!!!!! --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 21:04:59 ) ( 1058 bytes ) link +1
        
        Here you go, stupid --- Jim ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 22:00:24 ) ( 926 bytes ) +1
        
        Wrong again, Jim --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 22:12:28 ) ( 1571 bytes ) +1
        
        You know what? You're completely right this time. Sorry --- Jim ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 00:30:41 ) ( 43 bytes ) +1
        
        No worries, Jim (no text) --- mel ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 00:36:29 ) ( 0 bytes )
      - Lynch mobs! --- 13 ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 08:01:28 ) ( 525 bytes )
    - If you got Grade "A" in History --- Dermot ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 20:10:55 ) ( 1266 bytes ) +1
      - Re: If you got Grade "A" in History --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 21:14:26 ) ( 1209 bytes ) +1
        
        No, that's too easy... --- Dermot ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 21:36:06 ) ( 2012 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: No, that's too easy... --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 21:54:41 ) ( 978 bytes ) +1
        
        How many options can there be? --- Dermot ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 23:06:28 ) ( 4578 bytes ) +2
        
        Dermot, you've talked a lot about negotiation process.... --- mel ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 00:25:58 ) ( 2909 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Dermot, you've talked a lot about negotiation process.... --- Dermot ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 00:44:18 ) ( 78 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Dermot, you've talked a lot about negotiation process....MK2 --- Dermot ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 13:43:07 ) ( 7167 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Dermot, you've talked a lot about negotiation process....MK2 --- mel ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 20:58:51 ) ( 6272 bytes ) +1
        
        Not so fast..it takes two to tango --- Dermot ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 23:37:29 ) ( 2894 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Not so fast..it takes two to tango --- mel ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 03:08:49 ) ( 3343 bytes ) +3
        
        Mel, your analogy does not work .... --- T ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 07:10:03 ) ( 640 bytes ) +1
        
        What are you talking about --- mel ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 20:29:22 ) ( 621 bytes ) +1
        
        Bear this in mind, mel... --- Dermot ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 20:36:08 ) ( 3611 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Bear this in mind, mel... --- mel ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 21:31:51 ) ( 301 bytes ) +1
        
        When, mel, when? --- Dermot ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 21:57:00 ) ( 251 bytes )
        
        Mel, here's a more accurate analogy --- JHB ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 09:27:04 ) ( 835 bytes ) +1
        
        It may not be as accurate as you think, John --- mel ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 21:13:38 ) ( 210 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: It may not be as accurate as you think, John --- JHB ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 01:25:02 ) ( 336 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: It may not be as accurate as you think, John --- mel ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 01:51:38 ) ( 1611 bytes )
        
        The brass necked nerve of you !!! --- Dermot ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 12:43:52 ) ( 857 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The brass necked nerve of you !!! --- mel ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 21:20:51 ) ( 337 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The brass necked nerve of you !!! --- Dermot ( Fri, Sep 22, 2006, 21:54:17 ) ( 1214 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The brass necked nerve of you !!! --- mel ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 01:32:08 ) ( 2113 bytes ) +1
        
        So would you set any deadline for Iran? --- JHB ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 03:22:14 ) ( 353 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: So would you set any deadline for Iran? --- mel ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 04:38:28 ) ( 3788 bytes ) +1
        
        I bet you thought that'd shut me up ! --- Dermot ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 12:18:08 ) ( 17.1 KB ) +1
        
        Not at all Dermot, it would take a lot to shut you up! --- mel ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 21:18:21 ) ( 1851 bytes ) +1
        
        But where's your defence of Islam, Mel? --- Jim ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 21:46:50 ) ( 1808 bytes ) +1
        
        Mel, Jim and Dermot are correct --- JHB ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 02:05:52 ) ( 235 bytes ) +1
        
        Fair enough, but I take exception to this "coward" nonsense.... --- mel ( Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 07:33:08 ) ( 4299 bytes )
        
        But this guy sees it completely differently --- Dermot ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 00:41:37 ) ( 8251 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: But this guy sees it completely differently --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 14:14:30 ) ( 278 bytes )
    - Re: Mel do you even have a clue what your speech incites?NO! --- geo ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 07:38:41 ) ( 239 bytes ) +1
      - So I "incite" people to vote? Is there a problem with that? LOL! --- mel ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 22:19:47 ) ( 160 bytes ) +1
        
        No, you revel in stupidity and wishful thinking! (nt) (no text) --- NAR ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:48:15 ) ( 0 bytes )
    - You are hilarious, mel...... --- NAR ( Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:46:21 ) ( 1060 bytes )
- Oh - sorry, I thought this was the NON-premie forum. Familiar thoughts (nt) --- Fiona ( Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 00:41:26 ) ( 7 bytes )
The concerted effort required --- Dermot ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:22:18 ) ( 1950 bytes ) +2
- Yes, you're right. A rally for free speech, plain and simple --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:36:30 ) ( 245 bytes ) link
- Re: The concerted effort required --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:52:42 ) ( 918 bytes ) +1
  - Re: The concerted effort required --- Dermot ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 23:03:06 ) ( 389 bytes )
More on the Pope & Islam. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 12:55:55 ) ( 984 bytes ) link

The Pope, Again. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 12:22:30 ) ( 3498 bytes ) link +3

I think it's time to hand the pope over --- Jim ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 12:50:06 ) ( 3900 bytes ) +1
- I see ironic people... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 13:07:42 ) ( 625 bytes ) link +1
  - And Mel might be interested in this --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 13:50:08 ) ( 24.3 KB )

Hey Geo..... --- mel ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 02:41:09 ) ( 313 bytes ) link +2

Re: Hey Mel --- geo ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 07:32:08 ) ( 862 bytes ) +1
- G & E --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 08:36:11 ) ( 1192 bytes ) link

Some info that has not been posted here. Apologies if it has --- Jethro ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 02:17:14 ) ( 4393 bytes )

Happy Jewish New Year fron Nasrulla and Co --- Jethro ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 13:54:45 ) ( 107 bytes ) link +5

Re: Happy Jewish New Year fron Nasrulla and Co --- koeeaddi ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 23:08:14 ) ( 212 bytes ) +2
- I'm skeptical --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 00:06:05 ) ( 65 bytes )
- Shana tova koeeaddi --- Jethro ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 02:02:30 ) ( 287 bytes )
And what year is it, btw? --- Dermot ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 23:36:54 ) ( 115 bytes ) +1
- And what year is it, btw?...5767 silly --- Jethro ( Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 01:46:04 ) ( 1266 bytes )

What next? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:37:32 ) ( 2495 bytes ) +3

Re: What next?Getting the Anarchist Cookbook of the shelf --- geo ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 06:37:49 ) ( 2687 bytes ) +2
- Re: Cult of the 12th Imam --- geo ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 12:19:15 ) ( 7946 bytes ) link
- Can't reply to your post below. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 15:31:44 ) ( 150 bytes )

Islam or Communism never produced this --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 10:37:53 ) ( 349 bytes ) link +5

I'm scared. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 12:47:51 ) ( 116 bytes ) +1
- Re: HUMOR (no text) --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:12:00 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
  - God, that video software sucks! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 18:03:39 ) ( 217 bytes ) +1
    - Re: God, that video software sucks! --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 18:06:50 ) ( 96 bytes ) +1
      - Re: God, that video software sucks! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 08:03:39 ) ( 402 bytes )

If Islam was a cartoon ....... --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 17:25:26 ) ( 448 bytes ) link img

So, what happened to the "Path to 9/11" video? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 16:10:29 ) ( 202 bytes ) +3

Re: "Path to 9/11" video here it is --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 16:15:36 ) ( 164 bytes ) link +1
- Thanks. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 16:47:53 ) ( 83 bytes ) +1
  - NO I got it on Google --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 17:27:37 ) ( 147 bytes )

Bernard Lewis on Islamofascism. (Updated). --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 22:00:39 ) ( 1425 bytes ) link +10

An interview with Bernard Lewis --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 08:34:02 ) ( 1574 bytes ) link +1
- Critique of Lewis as too soft on Islam --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 11:12:12 ) ( 10.3 KB ) link +2
  - Re: Critique of Lewis as too soft on Islam --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 12:24:34 ) ( 5774 bytes ) +1
    - My soft critique of Lewis. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:23:41 ) ( 1288 bytes )
  - My soft critique of Lewis' critics. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:04:14 ) ( 387 bytes )
Manuel II Paleologus. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 14:37:06 ) ( 157 bytes ) link
Question about Kinzer's All the Shah's Men --- Ophelia ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 20:04:24 ) ( 852 bytes ) +1
- Re: Question about Kinzer's All the Shah's Men --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 23:09:39 ) ( 671 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Question about Kinzer's All the Shah's Men --- Ophelia ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 23:19:43 ) ( 50 bytes ) +1
    - Right. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 07:59:14 ) ( 1 bytes )

The cult of the suicide bomber --- 13 ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 15:10:07 ) ( 792 bytes ) link +26

That's not an accurate and fair appraisal --- Dermot ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 15:50:16 ) ( 2373 bytes ) +2
- Oh yeah, and the --- Dermot ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 17:21:14 ) ( 255 bytes )
- Re: That's not an accurate and fair appraisal --- 13 ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 17:26:52 ) ( 1318 bytes ) +1
  - Re: That's not an accurate and fair appraisal --- Dermot ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 18:04:26 ) ( 1397 bytes )
Your interpretation is simplistic and superficial --- Jim ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 19:50:04 ) ( 4759 bytes ) +1
- Re: Your interpretation is simplistic and superficial --- 13 ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 01:20:26 ) ( 897 bytes ) +1
  - Right on one point, wrong on the next --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 01:43:12 ) ( 470 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Right on one point, wrong on the next --- 13 ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 02:13:44 ) ( 977 bytes ) +1
      - You have to trace the unique influence of Islam through the politics --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 09:30:22 ) ( 924 bytes ) +2
        
        Wretchard too thinks it's "learned behavior". --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 10:03:13 ) ( 1276 bytes ) link +2
        
        Did they get this from the Western left? --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 10:25:31 ) ( 695 bytes ) +1
        
        What sort of argument is that? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 12:41:29 ) ( 581 bytes )
        
        Bush made it clear in his speech at the UN today... --- Cynthia ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:11:47 ) ( 5387 bytes ) link
        
        OK, so now what? --- 13 ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:00:39 ) ( 699 bytes ) +1
        
        Thanks for asking --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:12:09 ) ( 247 bytes ) +2
        
        That seems like a good idea to me. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:36:29 ) ( 515 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: That seems like a good idea to me. --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 15:08:48 ) ( 358 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: That seems like a good idea to me. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 08:12:13 ) ( 1121 bytes )
        Re: That seems like a good idea to me. --- T ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 09:15:35 ) ( 360 bytes )
        
        Re: Thanks for asking --- 13 ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 14:56:07 ) ( 35 bytes ) +1
        
        How do you define "diplomacy"? --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 15:16:13 ) ( 568 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: How do you define "diplomacy"? --- 13 ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 16:50:06 ) ( 106 bytes ) +1
        
        Actually, according to Clausewitz --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 08:18:26 ) ( 420 bytes )
Re: The cult of the suicide bomber --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 22:31:10 ) ( 742 bytes ) +1
- Another point made by the film-maker. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 09:42:19 ) ( 665 bytes ) +1
  - Wrong film-maker. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 19:17:27 ) ( 180 bytes )

A rough & ready rejection of Pape's basic conclusion --- Dermot ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 23:56:48 ) ( 26.5 KB ) +5

Jesus, Dermot, Its going to take me a month to read this.... --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 01:31:11 ) ( 2441 bytes )
Re: A rough & ready rejection of Pape's basic conclusion --- Dermot ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 02:03:33 ) ( 477 bytes )
Re: A rough & ready rejection of Pape's basic conclusion --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 09:35:18 ) ( 2123 bytes ) +1
- Re: A rough & ready rejection of Pape's basic conclusion --- Dermot ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 13:04:29 ) ( 104 bytes )
I'm going to have to take some time here, Dermot --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 14:59:58 ) ( 253 bytes )

Sore Thumb --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Sep 16, 2006, 10:12:35 ) ( 6014 bytes ) +48

Re: Sore Thumb --- Dermot ( Sat, Sep 16, 2006, 12:50:45 ) ( 2050 bytes )
Re: Sore Thumb --- mel ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 07:11:11 ) ( 390 bytes ) +3
- Everybody has personal responsibility... --- Cynthia ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 08:12:49 ) ( 617 bytes ) +1
  - Everybody has personal responsibility...Agreed! --- mel ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 08:49:42 ) ( 1262 bytes ) +3
    - Re: Pontificate away --- geo ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 08:59:47 ) ( 347 bytes ) +1
      - I take full responsibility for what I say, Geo... --- mel ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 09:21:41 ) ( 108 bytes )
    - Another American-hating statement!... --- Cynthia ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 10:56:59 ) ( 1562 bytes ) +1
      - No, just an American "foreign policy" hating statement. --- mel ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 21:02:11 ) ( 2398 bytes ) +2
        
        You make it so easy, Mel --- Jim ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 23:23:07 ) ( 879 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You make it so easy, Mel --- mel ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 23:48:02 ) ( 1007 bytes ) +1
        
        You're missing the point --- Jim ( Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 23:55:32 ) ( 598 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You're missing the point --- mel ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 00:29:06 ) ( 823 bytes ) +1
        
        You are blind to the obvious --- Jim ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 01:08:20 ) ( 343 bytes ) +1
        
        Be that as it may Jim, --- mel ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 02:23:23 ) ( 242 bytes )
        
        Your rhetoric, Mel... --- Cynthia ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 07:34:50 ) ( 2227 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Your rhetoric, Mel... --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 00:13:08 ) ( 2091 bytes ) +1
        
        And further more, Cynthia... --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 07:44:53 ) ( 3387 bytes ) +4
        
        Re: And further more, Mel --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 09:39:06 ) ( 778 bytes )
        Reasonable tone, ridiculous content --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 10:23:28 ) ( 2509 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: Reasonable tone, ridiculous content......Brilliant, Jim (no text) --- Dermot ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 12:50:22 ) ( 0 bytes )
        Re: Reasonable tone, ridiculous content --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 20:08:37 ) ( 475 bytes ) +2
        
        Come on, Mel, you sound just like you did as a premie apologist --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 21:04:45 ) ( 542 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Come on, Mel, you sound just like you did as a premie apologist --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 21:37:47 ) ( 299 bytes )
        
        Mel, you are just too much !!!!!!!!!! --- Dermot ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 21:43:44 ) ( 4509 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Mel, you are just too much !!!!!!!!!! --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:11:55 ) ( 757 bytes ) +2
        
        God, Mel, even from you that's surprisingly absurd! --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:25:58 ) ( 369 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: God, Mel, even from you that's surprisingly absurd! --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 22:50:56 ) ( 230 bytes ) +1
        
        Yes, "almost" is right. Very, very good comparison -- (MORON!!!!!!) --- Jim ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 23:07:51 ) ( 157 bytes )
        
        Bingo, Bingo, pure Muslim apologist example here!!!! --- Cynthia ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 07:19:06 ) ( 1276 bytes ) +1
        
        Bingo on apologism --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 08:14:31 ) ( 3630 bytes ) +2
        
        MEL apologism is as follows as explained in WICKEDPEDIA DOI --- geo ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 09:16:55 ) ( 2897 bytes ) link
        mel ...forever the fool. --- Dermot ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 10:41:28 ) ( 9912 bytes ) +1
        
        Your right , Dermot.... have mercy --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 20:15:03 ) ( 1785 bytes ) +1
        
        That isn't the point and you know it ... --- Dermot ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 20:30:47 ) ( 1137 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: That isn't the point and you know it ... --- mel ( Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 22:15:39 ) ( 99 bytes )
        
        Re: Mel's KARMA hell --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 11:13:09 ) ( 396 bytes ) +1
        
        Good one, Geo, had a good chuckle at that..... (no text) --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 19:36:31 ) ( 0 bytes )
        
        Furthermore, "furthermore" is one word!... --- Cynthia ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 16:59:58 ) ( 5126 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: You GO.......! GIRL ! UH HUH MMMMMM YEAH !!!!! --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 17:38:27 ) ( 396 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: AND that's America BITCH incase you aint seen it --- geo ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 18:13:13 ) ( 120 bytes ) link
        
        Thanks for the spelling lesson ! --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 21:27:27 ) ( 2273 bytes )
- Constantly in left field. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 08:45:35 ) ( 1396 bytes )
- Hey mel, so what do you think of the threats --- NAR ( Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 11:14:33 ) ( 411 bytes ) +1
  - Your beginning to sound as irrational as Geo, NAR --- mel ( Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 04:33:07 ) ( 1031 bytes ) +2
    - Pot... kettle... black. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti (