Rawat DID clarify surrender!
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Posted by: JHB ® 08/01/2005, 01:53:32 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

Jonx below refuses to explain what he understands by 'surrender', he claims that Rawat clarified it, but then refuses to give a quote or a reference when and where that clarification took place. But then I thought some more about this, and remembered that Rawat made it very clear what he meant by surrender. He gave many examples of devotees, such as Hanuman, from religious stories who had surrendered to their 'Masters'. In pretty much every case, the devotee abandoned their wordly responsibilities to dedicate everything to their Master. These were the examples that we were continously given by both the mahatmas and by Rawat himself. How could we not understand what was meant by surrender? Even if Jon thinks it means some sort of mental letting go to some superior thing within us, in all the examples given that internal surrender was coupled with the external surrender. On this issue, Rawat was clarity itself! John.

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Re: Rawat DID clarify surrender! --- Cathy2 ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 02:38:43 ) ( 828 bytes ) Just ask Gary Gerrard about surrender --- Jethro ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 02:59:39 ) ( 416 bytes ) Maharaji's rather graphic definition of surrender - Jump in the well --- Steve ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 07:34:24 ) ( 1756 bytes ) link +3 Ecellent, Steve. I wonder how we could have "misinterpreted" that? --- Joe ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 11:40:56 ) ( 802 bytes ) +1 Re: Ecellent, Steve. I wonder how we could have "misinterpreted" that? --- Steve ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 12:03:25 ) ( 418 bytes ) +1 Steve, that's also the biggest reason for me. --- Joe ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 16:29:00 ) ( 733 bytes ) +2 Re: Steve, that's also the biggest reason for me. --- PatD ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 17:58:01 ) ( 693 bytes ) Re: Steve, that's also the biggest reason for me. --- jonx ( Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:51:48 ) ( 638 bytes ) +4 Bilmey, you are in a cult. Very sad. (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 19:58:09 ) ( 0 bytes ) +2 Re: Bilmey, you are in a cult. Very sad. --- Joe ( Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 20:01:58 ) ( 758 bytes ) +1 Re: Bilmey, you are in a cult. Very sad. --- jonx ( Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 07:52:34 ) ( 5150 bytes ) Okay, okay... I'm in a cult!! --- jonx ( Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 07:51:42 ) ( 199 bytes ) img So why read here then? --- Anna ( Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 02:31:59 ) ( 380 bytes ) Re: Steve, that's also the biggest reason for me. --- Jean-Michel ( Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 03:45:54 ) ( 525 bytes ) How bent out of shape Jonx? --- hamzen ( Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 06:12:21 ) ( 936 bytes ) +3 Hi Ham --- Jethro ( Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 08:52:50 ) ( 232 bytes ) An offer for Jonx and current premies --- Danny ( Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 08:57:53 ) ( 1603 bytes ) +2 Re: An offer for Jonx and current premies --- Steve ( Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 07:41:47 ) ( 641 bytes ) Scuze me Mr. Dan but... --- jonx ( Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 10:20:04 ) ( 679 bytes ) img +2 Actually he wouldn't exist without us --- hamzen ( Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 19:50:32 ) ( 343 bytes ) +1 Re: Actually he wouldn't exist without us --- jonx ( Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 12:51:16 ) ( 803 bytes ) +1 There you go with the spiritual assumptions again --- hamzen ( Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 13:44:12 ) ( 891 bytes ) Re: Scuze me Mr. Dan but... --- Danny ( Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 16:28:42 ) ( 424 bytes ) Re: How bent out of shape Jonx? I#ll ask again --- hamzen ( Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 03:30:17 ) ( 53 bytes ) +1 Re: How bent out of shape Jonx? I#ll ask again --- jonx ( Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 12:54:52 ) ( 50 bytes ) +1 Do you usually make comments about people --- hamzen ( Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 13:47:49 ) ( 223 bytes ) Jumping in the well.......and the abuse of "surrendering" --- Lexy ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 12:07:07 ) ( 1553 bytes ) link +2 Re: Jumping in the well.......and the abuse of "surrendering" --- shelagh ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 16:27:18 ) ( 473 bytes ) Re: Jumping in the well.......and the abuse of "surrendering" --- PatD ( Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 19:17:11 ) ( 763 bytes ) Surrender is what everybody is looking for -- but to what? --- jonx ( Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:13:17 ) ( 1310 bytes ) +2 Re: Surrender is what everybody is looking for -- but to what? --- Steve ( Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 20:51:36 ) ( 3506 bytes ) No need for a 'master' or anybody else to let go inside --- Jean-Michel ( Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 05:13:15 ) ( 230 bytes )