Jonx,  perhaps you could at least give us the benefit of the doubt that we are expressing our own experiences.  You ask us to do that for you, why can't you do that for us?

Sorry mate, I can’t. Even your expressed ‘experiences’ are not being fairly represented. If I had talked to many, if not most, ex-premies back when they were premies, their experience would have been far, far different from what they express today. I guarantee it. And it wasn’t just cult-talk as you contend. Mate… I was there too. In that respect, each of these same once-were-premies is guilty of wholesale revisionism. Their recollection of history has been tainted by the negative coercion of a few malcontents like yourself, who I might add, was only involved for a short time in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s.

We were there.  We followed Maharaji for years, many of us for a decade before you ever got involved. 

I’ve been involved for 30 years Joe. Does that mean some of you were premies in the ‘60s?

So, we have credibility. 

To whom? Yourselves? Listen mate, I know a few ex-premies personally. None of them had credibility when they were premies, so why should I invest them with it now. They were generally confused people then, going along with the pack, or on the fringe. Yes, some ex-premies were credible people as premies, but the confusion they express today echoes the same lack of understanding as expressed by the ex-premies I used to know.

You are entitled to your opinion, Jonx, but you have no right whatsoever to say that our own experience and our own opinions are not valid.

Okay. Say you’ve been to Mexico and know what a tortilla is. You go into a restaurant with a Spanish name in London that has tortillas on the menu and ask for one, and they bring something that resembles quiche. You throw your hands up and walk out telling everybody you meet the Mexican food in London is not authentic. Little did you know that it was a Spanish restaurant and a tortilla in Spain is different than one in Mexico. In the same way, in my view you guys misunderstood Maharaji’s role is and what Knowledge is. You judged it on assumptions that are baseless. So, yes you are entitled to an opinion… everybody is… but I can say after 30 years of practicing Knowledge that your opinion is off the mark.

The fact that you feel this compulsive need to respond and say we are just confused, given that do be that way we had to "misinterpret" plain English, just isn't credible.

Plain English, French, Italian or Swahili makes no difference. Language is always susceptible to interpretation. If it wasn’t, lawyers would not have jobs. It is therefore very “credible” of me to challenge your interpretation of experiences and events.

Plus, you are in a cult, and so you lack credibility on the subject of the cult you are in.

Ah yes… the cult of peace and fulfillment.

Say, wouldn’t the world be a better place if people left the cults they’re in -- of greed, war, ambition, paranoia -- and joined the cult of peace and fulfillment instead? Join the cult of Self-knowing instead of the cult of Self-doubt?

By the way, credibility is in the eye of the beholder, and my credibility on this subject to the people who know me will be based on my credibility as a person. That is just fine with me.