On February 16, 2024, there was a lengthy
exchange on my post about Prem Rawat between an individual named Janice and
many others, including Hans Rawat, Prem Rawat’s eldest son. Hans’s comments were deleted when the comment
he was responding to was deleted.
What follows is a reconstruction of Hans’s
original comments along with those from others that provide context to his
responses.
This is also posted on www.resourcesforthetruthaboupremrawat.com
It may be easier to read there. Here is the link: https://resourcesforthetruthaboutpremrawat.com/2024/02/21/hans-rawat-eldest-son-of-prem-rawat-speaks-out/
Here is the original post. Comments follow.
An uplifting message from Prem Rawat:
"The chances are you've never seen the other side of me. You've
seen the event side of me when I'm on stage. But there is another side of
me.
If you evoke that side, you won't like it. It's a nasty side.
You don't want to see that side. You're not missing anything by not seeing
it."
Arundel, England, 23rd July 1999
Did Krishna have a nasty side? Did Ram Dass have a
nasty side? Did Jesus have a nasty side? Does Eckhart
Tolle have a nasty side?
Did Nelson Mandela have a nasty side? Did Mother Theresa have a
nasty side? Did Thich Nhat Hanh have a nasty side? Does the Dalai
Lama have a nasty side?
Food for thought.
Janice
everyone has good and bad, feed your good wolf, it
blooms, feed your bad wolf, it blooms. we've all experienced
our good and bad sides, we are humans, Difference is some people choose
to really feed the good wolf, others the bad wolf, you will find
yourself living in heaven, or hell, according to our actions.
Don
Janice I hear you. The question is what wolf is Prem Rawat been
feeding? Ask those who see him off stage, like his family. Or take
a look at this post: http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/forum?cmd=get&cG=9333432333&zu=3933343233&v=2&gV=0&p=
Daniel
Don That link has some extra characters in it and doesn't work.
Maybe this will: http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/forum?cmd=get&cG=9333432333&zu=3933343233&v=2&gV=0&p=
Don
Daniel Thank you Just fixed it!
Phil
Janice yup... "according to our actions ". It's
difficult but we gotta acknowledge what Hans is saying.
James
Phil we have to? I don't know him at all.
Janice
Phil nah - my brother bitches about my dad too, blames him for
ruining his life - it's a common thing for kids to blame their parents, instead
of growing up, taking responsibility for their own lives. Every human
needs inner peace, without it we tend to bitch n complain and not appreciate
our lives, or our parents. Wait til Hans son starts blaming him, then
maybe he will get it, grow up. Sounds like mental illness to me. Is
he on meds Hans ?
Jo
Janice so you don't believe what Hansi said happened to him as a
child? It's not called bitching it’s called abuse.
Phil
Janice this appears to be at a whole different level...
Joe
James so, you think Hans is lying?
Janice
I have seen Hans on fb running a scam. Sorry but I wouldn’t
trust him-no disrespect intended.
Phil
Janice what if Prem admitted that he did what Hans is saying he
did? What if he offered a lame semi apology and didn't deny the
accusations?
James
Joe I wouldn't have any idea. But I'm not gonna just side
with HIM! Never met him. not a friend at all. Stories are
complicated and the term "abuse" is a catch-all. I'd
sooner stay out of it.
Angel
James Its Prems oldest son. Wow. Where
have you been?
Angel
Janice no. His father the great Guru sexually abused him as a child and
not just Hans… Shocking and a huge wake up call for us who devoutly followed
him.
Hans
Janice , Are you suggesting life insurance is a scam?
Hans (in reply to Janice)
I have absolutely no reason to concoct such lies about
anyone in fact I have many reason not to allow this information to get out. By
speaking out against my parents, I am walking away from a promised multimillion
dollar inheritance! This is exactly the reason my brother who is also a sexual
abuse victim of my parents is keeping silent or denying these allegations.
Susan
Hans I believe you Hans. I am so sorry you have to deal with
people who do or say anything to protect their "master" No
matter how much you know that some premies would excuse absolutely any
behavior, it hurts to actually see them do it and it hurts me to watch
them insult you. I knew they would, you knew they
would too. But it's still shocking to watch. I believe some
premies could have watched this happen and would
side with your father, or watched him do absolutely anything
anything imaginable and see it as lila and a loyalty test. But knowing that and
being personally attacked in real time are so different.
Hans
I wonder how many followers of my father actually know the
history of the term "Perfect Master". He certainly didn't
coin it. Google it, you will find an Indian man by the name of Meher
Baba in the early 20th century who claimed to be either God in human form or in
touch with God to the point where he alone could disseminate God's infinite
wisdom to his followers. It’s funny how God always seems to show up
on earth without enough money and needs to extract it from people who have been
convinced that he or she actually is God. It seems that you, my dear
Janice, do not have the wear withal to distinguish between what is legitimate
and what is a scam. I certainly do not blame anyone who doesn't in
this case. Indoctrination is a lengthy process that prays on the spiritually
thirsty. Is a hungry bear a fool or gullible for getting caught in a
bear trap? Not at all. Trapping animals is tested and even improved upon by one
trapper to the next. In this case though it’s not animals being trapped for
their body. It’s humans beings trapped for their mind and soul. The biggest
difference is that the animal knows right away when they are trapped. The
effectiveness of this particular human trap is that the victim may never
realize that they were trapped until the day they die.
My father himself said in satsang that one will not see the
entirety of their life until the moment they die. He left clues. He also used
to tell parables at premie only events. I was young and none of them made sense
to me except one. It was very clear, in it he basically suggested
heaven is boring and hell is a huge dinner party with history's most
influential and interesting people. Those who have allowed themselves to be
programmed to worship a false idol in place of God have a place at that table
in my opinion. However, I believe it is not a pleasant dinner party
as the fable suggests.
Don
Hans You are a brave and courageous man. You're standing tall, taking
huge risks to speak truthfully. Thank you.
Hans (in reply to Janice asking if Hans is on Meds)
Janice I will admit there was a time in my life that I did use illegal
drugs recreationally after the repressed memories of being sexually abused by
my parents resurfaced. I am certainly not proud of those days, but I look
at it as a form of self-medication at a time when I couldn't even talk to a
therapist about these issues. Thats how frozen inside I was.
For the record My father first gave me alcohol and cannabis when we lived
in Miami Beach, there were several premies who saw this. I was about 7
when we left that house and never returned.
Susan
Hans, anyone who has studied child sexual abuse knows this very
common way to anesthetize the pain. That they would hurl this against you
is cruel and ignorant. They used the struggles of the Jagdeo victims very
similarly. You were raised surrounded by people who thought your father
was their satguru. As a baby, you watched them all kiss his feet,
obey his every command, prostrate themselves before him. Where were you
to turn? I am posting under my real name here today. I will stand
with you and whatever little bit of support that is. I know it mattered
when people believed me. It mattered to A too, It mattered to many others who
never spoke ( maybe because they too had wounds of their abuse that they knew
would be used against them). The shame is not yours. The shame is
the perpetrator's.
Susan
James is there anything, Prem Rawat himself could do, that would
make you critical of him? Do you typically dismiss victims of sexual assault as
lying?
Janice
Hans as Prem's son you have a lot of power, be careful how you use
it. I'm sorry but you sound like someone with mental health issues, drug
issues, psychosis, hallucinations -- I've seen similar in my own family at
large. I wish you wellness.
Don
Janice Oh for crying out loud. How can you possibly say something
as rude as this to Hans? Honestly, where is your compassion?
Appalling comment. I'll leave it up for awhile so people can
see your true colors and then I’ll probably delete it.
Susan
Janice, this is called stigmatizing the victim. It's
revolting. I condemn your words as cruel, and ignorant. https://1in6.org/
Hans
Susan, hi Susan, yes, my mother of course saw, and another premie I
remember. I won’t mention his name in this post. He was very close to my father
at the time, but they drifted apart as most have. As far as I know he is
still in the cult. A few years ago, I told a family member that this
person had witnessed the abuse first hand. It may have gotten back to him
because apparently a few weeks later I heard he had a stroke. I remember
the incident so clearly, I won’t get into details here but when my father
started molesting me in front of him, I looked over to see his reaction.
He looked like he had just seen a ghost. His face turned
white as a sheet and his whole body shuttered. I have no ill will toward
him for not speaking up. People were terrified of upsetting him for
good reason.
Susan
Hans I wish this never happened to any child and I am so sorry it
happened to you. There are many levels of betrayal. The abuse
itself, the witnesses without the courage or too indoctrinated to believe their
eyes, and the institutions that protect the abuser. I hope that by
speaking the truth about what happened to you, you put that back squarely where
it belongs, on those who abused, and those who betrayed you.
Don
Susan Yes, it is horrific and the lack of care for Hans is equally
appalling. Anyone with a brain in their head, needs to extend support and
love to Hans and his family and call for the perpetrators to be held to
account. No matter who they are.
Susan
Hans your father giving you psychoactive drugs, at such a young
age, known to affect child brain development and loosen inhibitions, is
inexcusable and reprehensible. There are other known child
sexual predators that have used those sorts of drugs in the
perpetration of the assault. Along with the newspaper stories published
when you were a child of Prem Rawat's sadistic humiliation of his closest
followers, it fits with the published accounts of his private behavior.
That his children were also used in such a way remains shocking to
me. Was there any boundary that wasn't crossed? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?%20fbid=324212973869123&set=pb.100088412672576.-2207520000&type=3
James
Victims of or so-called victims of sexual assault, I give a case
by case analysis. There was a extremely talented baseball pitcher a
couple of years ago, who was framed by some crockpot. When she accused
him of assault, the league immediately kicked him out. he went to pitch in
Japan. The judge threw her case out. I have a big problem with
that. I don't know what happened to her, but she should've gone to jail.
Susan
Don the things that Prem Rawat followers say feeling they are
defending him are often the most telling about the dynamics of the cult of
all.
James
Susan actually I'm very critical of Prem as I have mentioned
here. I have a lot of grapes. Sour grapes? I meant to say I
have a lot of grapes. Come on auto text, gripes. That said, though
there is some books somewhere that has published the techniques, I would never
have known about it and nor would I have probably given it the dedication that
I have for the past 52 years. So I owe him a lot. Like I said here
before, it's much better than not doing it at all for me. Although the
God realization part has escaped me for the time being, I still dream about it.
And as someone here said, people who throw accusations must be examine
critically. I'm not a big fan of the American court system. People
tend to appreciate it only when the person that they hate gets in trouble.
Susan
James I may have missed that you can criticize Prem Rawat.
Many premies, (I know they may be called PWKs or students or something
new now) seem unable to do that. Please read up on child sexual abuse
generally before you condemn Hans. It's uniquely cruel to disbelieve a
sexual assault victim. It is extremely rare for children or adults to
make false accusations. As Hans said, he had much to lose financially.
I think what he has to gain is his integrity, his own name, the ultimate
safety of his family ( though I know that the history of Fakiranand bashing Pat
Halley's head in is not something Hans and Shana are unaware of). I ask
you to open your heart to the possibility what he is saying is true,
Jacob
Janice Your brother bitches about your dad having fondled his genitals
when he was little?
Hans
Janice how so? Because I’m calling you're Devine lord and savior a
child molester?
Susan
There are far more examples of the justice system failing
victims of child or adult sexual assault than false allegations. I am so
sorry if I misread you too. Sexual assault of all kinds, is vastly
underreported, while law enforcement and the justice system have improved, it's
difficult to come forward, it's difficult every step of the way for victims.
Of course, there are those minority of false allegations, but they are
rare and they are used like a hammer to scare victim from reporting their own
sexual assault, for fear what they will face. Read up on Harvey
Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jeffrey Epstein, Michael Jackson, Woody Allen... read
about Larry Nasser, Dr. Robert Hadden.…. the justice system isn't easy at all
for victims of sexual assault when the perpetrator isn't famous or powerful…
when it's a David and Goliath situation... bringing up an example as you
did serves to scare and silence those who speak out. https://www.cantbuymysilence.com/
Hans
Janice is that what you say about your own family members who aren't
obsessed with your absurd and ever morphing spiritual leader? You're a piece of
work!
Karen
Janice That is a shocking response. No empathy, no humanity, no
mercy.
Hans (reply to Janice)
I wanted to respond to Janice’s accusations
that I seem to have a psychosis similar some of her family members. I can
no longer find her post, so I'll just respond here. I have been through
many hours of therapy over the years. My mental health professional here
in Florida, a Doctor of Psychology, had absolutely no problem whatsoever
believing my story. Not only did she believe me, she analyzed my behavior
for many hours. Janice has not, nor is she to my knowledge a Doctor of
Psychology. Since seeing this particular doctor, I have been told by more
than one expert in the field that cult leaders and sexual abuse of one kind or
another seem to go hand in hand.
Phil
Don please leave it so others can see her cold heart.
Susan
Phil everyone should screenshot and save all of this agree.
Don
Phil No problem. I'Il leave it
