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10/14/2004, 18:30:09
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"Oh well" indeed. Even a site so carefully constructed to present the worst possible view of Maharaji contains little gems that undermine its whole reason for existence.

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Yeah POV, I've quoted a few of those little gems myself.  Try these on for size:

 �It took me almost 20 years to finally accept that he is nothing more that a drunken fraud. My reasons for saying so are well documented on this site. The day I let him go is the day I took back my own life and once again regained my right to create my own plot. For better or worse, it is my plot and I�m no longer the �schmuck� who needs such a teacher.�  ~ Michael Dettmers

So here was a man who was supposedly revealing perfect peace to everyone else, and I figured he couldn't even guide his own life, let alone guide othersI lived with him and I saw him as he actually is, not as he is staged to be. In doing that, I saw that he isn't what he purports himself to be. To that extent, I don't even think that he is sincerely wrong, I think that he is deliberately deceiving people.  ~ Bob Mishler

'Just to chip in here a little. I completely support all that Michael Dettmers has posted, the tone and substance for sure.  ~ Michael Donner

 

Recently, when we shock hands at your birthday party, it was quite significant for me. I came around a corner and there you were. I had not seen you for some time, and when our eyes met I felt joy and I know you did too. Spontaneously, I offered you my hand (married and living in Oregon, that is what we do first with old dear friends... perhaps before an embrace). You took it but it was the 'cold fish' hand shake and you immediately proceeded to joke about it... 'gotta wash my hand now...what if everyone wanted to shake my hand', etc. I was hurt and disappointed because my simple spontaneous gesture could not be accepted and reciprocated (I was not accepted).

Upon reflection, I should not have been surprised. Such a reaction I have seen countless times and it flows from who you see yourself as and how you perceive others in relationship to that view. I strongly believe that perceptions such as that must change if you ever hope to be successful in actually spreading Knowledge to more then a few... really to only those 'devotees' looking for a place for their devotion.

Even now, I hope that perhaps one day you might want to know why so many of us (caring, intelligent, dynamic people) have chosen recently to leave. Could be fun even, a working retreat... brainstorming together to identify the blocks that exist within ourselves that are keeping us from doing this important work TOGETHER.

More personally, I hope you can find a way to get healthy and to respect your bodily temple.

In at least memory of love,

Michael Donner (in a letter to Maharaji)

 

POV what is wrong with shaking the hand of another human being?  The richest man in the world Bill Gates does it, president Bush does it, Donald Trump does it.  Who does Maharaji think he is?






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