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After getting permission from "The Residence" and putting them "Keys" to work to be "clear" enough to do "His" work. Hey Team leader! ask for a (used?) comp. Every time you request cash....it's one more drip...drip...drip..........? turey.
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Any DVD player or computer with a facilater would do .I do not get it,once again M boggles my mind . Maybe it is a Big Mac with extra cheese ? Maybe they need the biggist Baddest Computer like a thrown for the computer god to impress comupter geeks , I can not figure this one at all
Modified by geo at Tue, Jul 25, 2006, 14:09:00
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...of Jumble Sale a/c's natch! It's not that I am suggesting lowering of IQ post K etc. Is it something like the blind leading the blind all being led by the scared and ruthless? Results, pathetic, powerless, clueless and impractical. Talking from experience, turey.
Modified by turey at Tue, Jul 25, 2006, 15:45:47
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Interesting question. The quick and dirty answer would be that the Keys DVD that actually imparts the Knowledge has a program on it that requires a computer rather than just a DVD video on it that can be played, paused and possibly even fast forwarded.
And probably they are talking about a laptop computer so that it can be taken from place to place and set up simply because it sounds like the Knowledge sessions might now be individual as the flyer says "It is important to respond and meet each individual request in a timely manner." This could certainly save a lot of embarassment if the aspirant had to wait months for a quorum of people to have finished the Keys.
While I'm on the subject of computers. Mike, you mentioned you and Prem getting together after events and programming and drinking. Now I know some people who think programming and smoking go together though I've noticed their code sometimes ends up doing nothing but programming and drinking sounds like a certainty to cause a crash. Is / was Prem actually intelligent and focussed and concentrated enough to be able to successfully program? What language(s) did he know and use? Are you sure you weren't doing all the programming and he doing all the drinking and accepting the credit and plaudits?
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Hi OckerMike, you mentioned you and Prem getting together after events and programming and drinking. Now I know some people who think programming and smoking go together though I've noticed their code sometimes ends up doing nothing but programming and drinking sounds like a certainty to cause a crash. Is / was Prem actually intelligent and focussed and concentrated enough to be able to successfully program? What language(s) did he know and use? Are you sure you weren't doing all the programming and he doing all the drinking and accepting the credit and plaudits? The time I was writing about there was in the 1980's at the time of the Rejoices, when Maharaji was thinking of getting a Z88 - the latest (and best) of the Sinclair line, surprisingly advanced for its time. We weren't doing any serious programming, just playing about and I was showing him the various functions. He did once write a little Basic program on the Z88. Although he drank, he did not get drunk on those occasions, but I have been with him on other occasions when he (and I) got very drunk. I bought him a Z88 - my pleasure as a devotee to forestall my Lord's every want - but soon after that he went with the Apple, clearly a better choice than the Z88 which was, as it turned out, a dead-end (although it need not have been). -- Mike
www.MikeFinch.com
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I think it must be a special computer designed by someone on board the mother ship. N
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what happened to - 'only through the touch of the Perfect Master can Knowledge be revealed'?
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I can imagine that the DVD has some very secure encryption that requires it to be run on a computer rather than a DVD player, but that would only require that the computer has the necessary encryption software loaded, and has a sufficiently high spec to run that software. I still can't imagine why a special (and very expensive) computer would be required.Regarding the touch of the Perfect Master, I remember stretching my own brain to apply that to being touched by a mahatma instead of directly by Rawat. If he can work through a mahatma, then I guess he can work through a computer. John.
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Perhaps unnecessarily expensive equates to "touch of the master". I have seen premies doing pranam to his Rolls Royce and they seemed to rise slightly more blessed than when they bowed to his Vauxhall or his Toyota.
Since there is no actual energy that passes along, the process depends entirely upon an imaginary chain of associations.
What more efficiently raises a sense of association with maharaji than impressive expenditure and top of the range equipment? Maharaji could bless it: put his insignia on it, or a saffron cloth.
Computers could be trained more quickly too.
Lp
p.s. this is all a bit tongue in cheek really John, I suspect, these are just regular and varying ways of saying "keep the money coming in." The figures could be to implant the sort of incremental scales of donation they are looking for. I should think they are always hoping for more than the stated requirement. When the computer arrives, all donors will feel a sense of personal contribution, and proof that the money went to good use.
Modified by LP at Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 04:06:02
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Always allowing for the fact that the 'community' officials may not be the brightest folks on the block, maybe all that was meant was that a dedicated lap top has to be bought. However it wouldn't be suprising if the cult has specified that the computer has to bought via EV with pre loaded security software and with all the non 'knowledge' relevant functions disabled. Of course premies can't see how incredibly weird all this is and are happily going along with the 'next phase'. I don't know how this plays in the US but in the UK I'd say this raises some serious questions about Data Protection, if the whole process of watching Keys, purchasing DVDs etc is part of a personal record held on a data base. Are aspirants being told that they are being monitored in this way ? And who owns the data that is being collected ? The contractual position between Amazon or Walmart and the customers on which they maintain data is fairly clear - but EV avoids the established commercial codes of conduct by virtue of its tax exemption and charitable status. Seems to me that aspirants and premies are in danger of giving away far more than just financial donations without realising it. Nik
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Good point Nik, with regard to building a data base. I think you've hit the head of the nail there.
Modified by LP at Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 04:16:18
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As "aspirants" request the next set of "Keys DVDs" once they've finished the current one and as they will be refused DVDs out of order and only after a set time and as they are the ones who will then request to "receive Knowledge" or not once they've finished it seems pretty obvious they know what data Elan Vital has stored about them.
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As one who hasn't really seen what happens to aspirants for over three decades, my last references to the semi technological era of knowledge selections being the posts of exes.
(one account that captures my memory, off hand, of knowledge selections, (though I realize the author was in theatrical mode) is a section on the subject in the journey of the late Father Love, (who's funeral I attended in 1999).)
 Perhaps, as you seem to be good at explaining these things, and seem up to date on the subject, you could help me understand what happens nowadays.
After over 3 months here I still haven't got the picture of how "the keys" works. Things you mention here are still a bit Stanley Unwin to me: 
As "aspirants" request the next set of "Keys DVDs" once they've
finished the current one and as they will be refused DVDs out of order
and only after a set time
Lp
Modified by LP at Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 06:28:57
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I only have second hand knowledge of this as well but the Keys is a course for "becoming ready for Knowledge". You register on the net at the Keys site and you are sent a packet containing some DVDs. This is the first key and is an introduction to Knowledge. You must watch each DVD in the correct order for a set maximum time a day and when you finish that batch, you send them back and then they send you the batch of DVDs for the next Key until you've worked your way through the whole set which I think takes about 6 months.
The DVDs are really just different sections of Rawat's satsangs put together into movies and selected around the 5 topics and the 6th Key is the DVD that teaches you how to stick your fingers on your eyes, thumbs in ears, etc. It's a bit of a shame Rawat is so ignorant about spirituality else he could have made it 7 Keys which would have fit in much better with religious history and the occult, etc.
Youi can read more at
http://thekeys.maharaji.net/home/?_a=knowledgebase
Why don't you send off for them as premies are supposed to go through them as well and then you can copy them and pass them around for "sincere seekers of truth". Though as at least one of the keys would be about the "Importance of the Master" that might not work very well.
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Thanks Ocker, I have a clearer picture. So the entire process is carried out remotely now. I won't be sending off for them.
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Ocker, I think you are overestimating how much analysis anyone would make of how the system operates - yes it is obvious if you 'think' about it but most people will be coming at it in a vacuum - they are not going to be using the critical assessments commonplace here. Afterall how many people are going to test the system by ordering Keys out of sequence ? The whole set up is 'rule based' so from the outset there will an axiety that rule breaking will deny you further progress. In addition the data base clearly extends beyond the Keys - it includes Knowledge reviews,therefore it is an open ended collection system not limited the Keys but with the potential to have every transaction/interaction with EV recorded. EV had already shared its the data base of premies with Aspirare back in 2003, on the back of which Aspirare drew up its trading prospectus with a fairly detailed market assessment - age, income etc profile. Nik
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If for example the country was Australia that would be a reasonable lap top and a pretty good desktop. In the USA I imagine you'd get a damn good PC for the price.
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maybe it will be like the DMV and spit out a smart card after the asperant has given all vital personal info. even so a software program could do that .
Modified by geo at Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 06:40:40
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For $2000 you can buy a computer that's top of the line. Heck, you can get a computer for $500 these days that would satisfy most peoples needs. That's if you're buying a desktop. Laptops are a little more expensive. Maybe they've got proprietary software that bumps up the cost, or maybe they hook it up to a projector that's being figured into the cost.
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Or maybe they are just ripping people off.
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