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ROCK ME MAHARAJI Everything was dark at first
Things had gone from bad to worse
The Lord of all the universe
Came down to show the way
I was just a little child
Maya made my mind run wild Then Guru Maharaji smiled
And night-time turned to day
I will give you peace he said
And at his feet I laid my head How premies can read these lyrics and still buy into the revisionist “I never said I was Lord-public speaker” bullshit I really don’t know. This is major cognitive dissonance. How the hell do they do it?
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Yup, you got it in one. It is indeed a MAJOR cognitive dissonance!They way it works is this: Prem Rawat has never said the words "I am God incarnate". He has said things like "the Perfect Master is God incarnate" and "Guru Maharaj Ji is the Lord", but because those four little words "I am God incarnate" have never been recorded as passing his lips, some premies (though by no means all) take this to mean that he never claimed to be Lord God Almighty incarnate on planet Earth. The strange thing is that, during my time as a premie, the one thing we all agreed on was that was PRECISELY what he was! Incidentally, I've yet to hear a premie take on the fact that the event at the Houston Astrodome in the early 70s (Millennium '73) was advertised as "the most holy and significant event in the history of mankind".
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Lowell discovering canals on Mars was THE most significant thing...... no..... wait, that was imagination, too! Of course, you are quite correct, cq. But, if we use our brains for a moment there is real logic in what you thought at the time: 1. Perfect Master is God incarnate
2. Guru Maharaji is Perfect Master
3. He answers to the name "Guru Maharaji"
4. Therefore, he is saying, "I am god!" Then, let us not forget the P of P presentation where he talked about god (the father) coming to the planet cuz we were getting ready to "burn ourselves." Something like that. He made it quite clear who it was that we were supposed to believe he was...... no doubt at all! How could anyone not come to the conclusion that he said he was god? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to think otherwise..... again, if we were and ARE using our brains for anything other than a place to act as a peak for the towel-tent we were required to meditate under..... sheesh....
Modified by NAR at Fri, Mar 31, 2006, 12:39:51
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Seriously though, I don't know if you've registered with Wiki or even have the time to take on the likes of Rawat's webmaster (Jossi Fresco) who seems to have a full-time job fine-tuning the Wiki article on his "master" in an attempt to make it a masterpiece of revisionism, but it seriously worries me that Wiki is coming to be cited as a reliable source on everything - including contentious topics such as this.Our generation are using this resource (Wikipedia) as if it was factual. OK, on some topics it can and does represent fact. But on disputed ones, it's prone to the most horrendous bias. Is this the kind of authority we want future generations to regard as "encyclopaedic"?
Related link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prem_Rawat
Modified by cq at Fri, Mar 31, 2006, 13:00:07
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I don't disagree with you at all...... not even slightly when it comes to the subject of wiki, accuracy of content and the fact that way too many people (to include educators) use it as a "trusted" resource.That is why, as I mentioned in a thread on the non-rawat site, that I brought the inaccuracies to the attention of my daughter's school. It has since been blocked and, to fill the vacuum, I gave them institutional subscriptions to REAL scientific journals. See the thread near the bottom of the non-rawat site for more detail (It has all the usual players, like andries, in it). Even the science, believe it or not, has many inaccuracies in it. The simple fact that a scientist can have their work mangled by some ignorant idiot editor or "just anyone" will prevent most scientists from posting articles there. It isn't that they don't give of their time freely. I said it below, every scientist that I know does so already. Especially true of the request for their time has anything to do with education. I do it, too.... so I practice what I preach here. On average, I spend about 10 hours a quarter in a classroom. Normally it is at the request of two schools in particular and their respective physics teachers. Both happen to be secondary schools. I might be a bit "heavy" for an elementary school environment  When 75 percent of science educators in an unnamed "affluent" state don't know that visible light and radio waves are different points in the electromagnetic spectrum AND that radio "light" travels at the speed of light....... I'm aghast! THink about it. If they don't even know that and they are sending kids to a place they think is a great "source," what does that tell you? Moreover, if the teacher doesn't know that "radio light" and "visible light" have the same velocity, then what makes anyone think the kids they are teaching know that little fact? Like I said elsewhere, the "ignorant" should use an encyclopedia site to remove the ignorance, not post their ignorance there as fact. The site managers should only permit experts to post there. Peer review should be highly encouraged, if not absolutely required. But, don't make the mistake of thinking that it would cost alot of money. WIth its popularity and visibility, scientists today know all to well its impact on our kids. As a side note, one of the things that really slammed the door on wiki for my daughters school was when I showed them some of the really filthy crap that is not only allowed, but encouraged with the so-called NPOV attitude. The man-boy love article shocked the principal beyond all measure. I thought I'd witnessed a supernovae! Kids don't need to be exposed to that filth. As I said before, it isn't censorship..... it's common sense. Kids ARE NOT adults in little bodies. They are children and there is a distinct limit on what they should be exposed to and WHEN! It's our duty to protect them, both body and mind, for as long as it takes for them to develop their own critical thinking skills. That doesn't happen overnight. It takes years to develop those skills. More to the point, do you see any need whatsoever for a kid to be exposed to that kind of filth while they are trying to research for a paper they are writing? I sure don't! Ok, obviously you know which side of the fence I am on when it comes to this particular subject. Straight up..... I'm a hard-a**
Modified by NAR at Fri, Mar 31, 2006, 14:12:48
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I see - at least about how you view the Wiki phenomena.I'd like to read your posts on that "thread on the non-rawat site" you mention. Got a link to it?
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The "Child love movement" article in Wikipedia is gone and has now been moved or renamed into "pedophilia advocacy". Thank God. Even Wikipedia has limits to its insanity, I guess, because most contributors still have some common sense left. Andries
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You made my day! Maybe they'll come around and see what a resource they have and how it is being squandered. One step at a time..... really you made my day!
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Here's how it sounds to me (though I'm quite ready to hear anyone else's interpretation):He is our own Satguru
And we should love him.
He's brighter than a thousand seas
Shining in the sun.
He is pure and fresh
As the early morning dew. I'd wish I was a little bird
Flying high in every tree.
But then how would I see
Guru Maharaj Ji?
Chorus:
He is lila, lila,
And his game has just begun.
I'd wish I was a little stream
Flowing down to the sea.
But then how would I see
Guru Maharaj Ji? Chorus For we are all like little streams
Flowing down to his ocean.
And all the Earth combines
His love and pure devotion. Chorus He is our own Satguru
And we should love him.
He is brighter than a thousand seas
Shining in the sun.
He is pure and fresh
As the early morning dew. He is lila, lila, (repeat to fade)
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That is EXACTLY how I remember it! Well done!
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Thanks CQ, let me have a look at that with the audio and perhaps I will change it. But please give me some time as I'm sort of out of it for the next 3 weeks or so. Perhaps you could remind me? cheers
Gallery
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As the'yre basically 99% correct Gallery can probably be allowed to keep them posted for the next 3 weeks, don't you think?
Actually I think the posted lyrics are from the revisionist CD - Downpour at the bottom of http://gallery.forum8.org/music.htm
Though how they could fit even the revised lyrics into the non-Perfect master version of Prem Rawat eludes me. That's right, he was the master of Perfectness, not the Master of Consistency.
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Hi Ocker In fact I have now uploaded CQ's lyrics of Lila as those are the lyrics for the Apostles version, which matches the audio that is online. But you are right, in 1995 there was the revionsist version on the Downpour album. I need to check the words as well as the actual audio of the 1995 version, but now I'm right out of time. cheers
Gallery
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A brilliant job Gallery and a big thankyou. Please could you add the "You are My Everything" tracks that you posted here a few weeks ago.......and has anyone got the other tape to that twin-set with "Focus on the Form of Guru Maharaj Ji " on it with the words ?...unlike the "Heartfelt" (1991) music only version ( but-remind-all-the-old-premies-who-remember-the-words-what-they-should-be-doing ). btw do you want "Heartfelt" ?( One Foundation 1991)
Modified by Lexy at Fri, Mar 31, 2006, 14:22:13
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Hi Lexy At the top of the gallery music page I have linked to the 'you are my everything' tape. The 'you are my everything' tape is here: http://forum8.org/yame/ Once I get a scan of the cover (it has been promised) I will roll the 'you are my everything' into the main Gallery music page. Hope the above all makes sense? I still owe you four tapes, I have not forgotton. Gallery
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I think, if I remember correctly, that was the tape that had the indian stuff on it (or the indian styled stuff, I should say)
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Only part 2, which Lexy has lent to me via a mutual friend. Nor do I have a scan of the cover of part 2. Do you have either NAR? Gallery
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Unfortunately. When I "dripped" I tossed it out along with almost everything else (in a fit of rage, boy was I pissed!). I think I have a book and some pix somewhere, but that is about it.
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Ok thanks NAR No problemo. Interestingly, since the music stuff went up, I have had a few emails from some 'famous' premies who have gone out of their way to thank me for putting up the music. I have, variously, asked them if they would like to come along to this forum to have a chat, contact Elan Vital to put up other music and other suggestions. So far I have not heard anything further. I live in hope of course. The irony of the whole situation is of course not lost on me. Gallery
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Gallery,
I really am sorry I didn't save that stuff. I had a ton of it. All the albums, books, DT's, everything. But when I finally figured out that you-know-who wasn't you-know-what/who, well, you-know-what-happened On the other hand, this stuff is a real memory jogger. Music always does that to me, anyway, but this stuff is powerful in that regard. The memories, fortunately, are mostly pleasant though. In reality, I met alot of really nice folks who seemed to like me, too. I guess that could be called the silver lining to the whole thing. Now, if we could have just been worshiping nature, nakedness or some other natural thing...... that would have been perfect
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Hi again Gallery, Do you want "Heartfelt" CD ( One Foundation - 1991) ? The instrumental version of " Focus on the Form of Guru Maharaj Ji " on this revisionist CD is called ( nudge nudge,wink wink ) "Focus". On the CD " Drifting" (1997) the instrumental version of "The Lord of the Universe" is called "open up your heart" and " Leaving Your Lotus Feet" ( instrumental) is called "where would i go".
Modified by Lexy at Fri, Mar 31, 2006, 15:39:03
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Lexy I have them, but thanks. Tons of stuff from the 90s, as well as some highly interesting stuff from the mid 00s.  Gallery
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Do it, gallery, do it Don't ask me why, but I want to listen to it..... and everyone, who is anyone, knows I'm nothing if not obsessed! I know what it is........ that was the song I was listening to when I dripped (more like bucketed) ! That was it! Cool......
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That's the first time I've ever heard someone get NOSTALGIC about a moment of disillusionment. Relive the moment, yeah... Man, only a scientist could feel that way... Neville B
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I guess that I am "usually" successful at separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. I can really enjoy the memories of friends, while a cult member, and still be pretty upset with the goober. In other words, the music does bring back alot of memories and the ones I choose to pay attention to are the pleasant ones that involved people like Juan (with whom I am still in contact, obviously) and others. I choose to put behind me the memories that suck (e.g. the memories of the hoodwinking). Unless, of course, they come up in a discussion of the goober, like here on this forum. Music has always had a powerful effect on my psyche, so I use it to relax or remember or "whatever is appropriate" at the time. I remember some tunes from that era that I prticularly dislike, but there are others that bring back the really pleasant memories. The "focus" tune is a double-edged sword, that regard.
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Nice music, sometimes very nice, but due to stated realization somewhat painful to listen to. Andries
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