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Posted by: Nigel ® 03/20/2006, 15:19:14 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin

Anti-wikipedia article by ex-premies Thank you for the article by Finch. It is great. I understand that it was writen collaboratively by the small group of people that call themselves the ex-premies. It shows that this small group of people believe that they are right and that the Wikipedia community is being dishonest and extremely biased; its own rules are deeply flawed, and NPOV is useless "post-modern" shite, an utopian thinking and does not account for "market forces". . It is great that they took time to express their thinking about this project, etc. for all to see. Now we now that we are all wrong, the thousands of editors of Wikipedia, the thriving community, the the millions of people that consult Wikipedia daily, ladies and gentleman, we are all wrong. But this small group of people are of the opinion that they are right in all their claims. ROFL! ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 14:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC) I object to the inclusion of this "essay" as an external link in this article on the basis: Non notable individual This article is a biographical article about Prem Rawat written under the content guidelines of Wikipedia. Bypassing the NPOV process by writing an "essay" and then link it from here, is disingenous. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 22:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC) It is a relevant article about the subject (Prem Rawat) and that should suffice. Andries 22:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC) It is not an "article". It is an essay by a non notable person published in his own home page. There is nothing you can do about that, Andries. Some discretion good judgement needs to be applied to what links we provide. That "essay" does not cross the threshold for anything, besides the fact that was written by a person whose only notability is that is is an ex-follower. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 23:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC) We could also link to the main webpage about Prem Rawat if that is what you prefer. But it does provide information about Prem Rawat not supplied by other websites so it has added value and hence deserves to be listed in the external links section. Andries 23:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC) This is totally unacceptable Andries. A home page of a non notable person, with no credentials for anything besides being against Maharaji and Wikipedia and that on top of that calls you, me and other dedicated editors prejudiced 'editors and fanatics, just because we care about this project and WP:NPOV. Let him and others have their own homepages in which they can say whatever they want. That is call freedom of speech. But Wikipedia is not the vehicle for the promotion of the spurious theories of non notable individuals. Period. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 23:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC) Modified by Nigel at Mon, Mar 20, 2006, 16:06:25

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Except he would have to have had the plot in the first place to be losing it - LOL!!! Re: Jossi's losing it... -- Nigel Top of thread Archive Posted by: Bunny ® 03/20/2006, 16:06:56 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Clearly Jossi has no prejudice on this matter at all. But didn't Jossi used to work alongside Finch as he now calls him?  Though if he's going to be so formal, then I believe it's Doctor Finch.  This "non-notable person with no credentials for anything besides being against Maharaji and Wikipedia" is a PhD in astro-physics or mathematics isn't he?  In fact at one time (well before Greaves recent rise in academia) seemed to be the only academic 'authority' that DLM/Elan Vital could wheel out.  And that's apart from the various 'authorities' personally bestowed on Finch by the inspirational speaker over a prolonged period. I wonder if Jossi considers himself a notable authority as well as a non-prejudiced non-fanatic? Poor bugger - he looks beyond ridiculous in his desperate efforts to impress his master. Bunny Modified by Bunny at Mon, Mar 20, 2006, 16:09:25 Previous Recommend Current page Next PhD in Mathematics and yes, he is notable. Re: Except he would have to have had the plot in the first place to be losing it - LOL!!! -- Bunny Top of thread Archive Posted by: NAR ® 03/20/2006, 16:50:32 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Not just as a noted PhD (itself being notable), but by being a person who was in leadership position within that cult. THat is most "notable" of all, in this context. Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Jossi's losing it. Can you believe this from a 'neutral' Wiki ed? Re: Jossi's losing it... -- Nigel Top of thread Archive Posted by: Cynthia ® 03/20/2006, 16:08:06 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Jossi doth protest too much. I got a good laugh and almost jumped into that fray, but pulled myself back, because Jossi is verbally abusive to exes.  HE'S the Prem Rawat expert!  And NPOV.  LOL  The two standout features in Jossi's writing about Mike's essay and website are: 1) Mike's a non-notable person; and 2) that tiny group of anti-Rawat people. In Rawat's world, Mike is a notable person because he was an early, close devotee of Rawat and followed him for about 30 years, and he also was an instructor.  The thing about the small group of ex-premies is Jossi parotting the EV websites that say ex-premies are a a small, obsessive, group of about 20 people on the internet. This is Jossi with his nice face off.   He's threatened because he knows Mike isn't lying.  Jossi will fight till he's blue in the face, until he gets his way, according to the Wiki rules. Notice how nasty he is to Andries?  I don't know how he has the patience with Jossi. Previous Recommend Current page Next Jossi's pretty mad with Andries, that's for sure... Re: Re: Jossi's losing it. Can you believe this from a 'neutral' Wiki ed? -- Cynthia Top of thread Archive Posted by: Nigel ® 03/22/2006, 18:04:47 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin I checked out all the well-known modern cult leaders with entries in Wikipedia.  Jossi is only throwing his weight about on two of the associated discussion pages: those for Prem Rawat and Sai Baba.  Why the hell is Jossi engaging on the SSB entry, other than as part of a personal campaign to discredit Andries for the mortal sin of communicating with our twenty-member ex-premie hate group and blocking Jossi's free run on the Rawat entry? Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Jossi's pretty mad with Andries, that's for sure... Re: Jossi's pretty mad with Andries, that's for sure... -- Nigel Top of thread Archive Posted by: Cynthia ® 03/23/2006, 16:14:24 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Hi Nige, Jossi despises anyone who is an ex-anything.  Andries is a friend to ex-premies and is an ex-cult member himself. Jossi has the "service" of writing, editing, and playing guard-dog for all the Prem Rawat articles.  And it's not just the Rawat articles he's involved with.  He does the "List of groups called cults" (or something crazy like that) "apostates," "hate group," and all related articles that he can sway to his liking.  He's not only a brainwashed premie, he's also brainwashed to the thinking of the "bad" sociologists of new religious movements who claim that all apostates or cult defectors are liars. The word "cult" is a sin at Wiki.  Jossi has gained "status" at Wiki and because he always follows the rules he gets away with a lot of bullshit, including being mean to Andries.  But, he's always right because he's in service to the Living Lord.  That's his mentality.  He is quite the little hitler, though.  He hates my guts.  I used to post as "Another Ex-Premie."  I was going to write/edit the "Past Teachings of..." but I got the flu or something, so told everyone I needed a week, and when I felt better within that week, the article had been written by some premie.  That is the worst of the rawat articles in terms of whitewash.  It's horrible.  If I had the time and patience to deal with Jossi, I'd take that article over and rewrite the entire thing.  What a creep. He also subscribes to the idea that anyone who edits at wiki doesn't have the right to talk about a fellow editor on other websites or forums.  I wonder how he cooked that one up?  The wiki rules conform beautifully to a person's thinking who is already cult brainwashed. Have you noticed all the grammatical errors and awkward sentences in Wiki articles?  The editors generally suck at writing.  But, in fairness, it's the NPOV thingy that ruins any decent writing ability.  Modified by Cynthia at Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 16:23:29 Previous Recommend Current page Next