Is Julie the only true premie?
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Moley ®

03/20/2006, 15:57:56
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Reading Jossi's diatribe (on Nige's thread) got me thinking...

 Rawat's big message now is How To Find Peace Inside. Well Jossi don't sound too peaceful to me. His knee-jerk reactions are typical of premie responses to criticism. 

How often have we witnessed premies getting their knickers in a twist over the exes' websites?

'Knickers in a twist' being a non-too-comfortable way to spend the day.

Non-too-peaceful either.

Julie OTOH has consistently come here with messages of love 'n' peace... regardless






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Re: Is Julie the only true premie?
Re: Is Julie the only true premie? -- Moley Top of thread Archive
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The Falcon ®

03/21/2006, 03:10:47
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maybe, she is a lot farther away from Rawat than Jossi.

She can live with the fantasy of the 'Master' wheras Jossi is probably getting it in the neck every day from either Rawat or the Pascottos but hey that's service.

Lucky Julie isn't even allowed in the local programmes







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Re: Is Julie the only true premie? Holy Moley
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Ocker ®

03/21/2006, 05:24:11
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With the caveat that all I know of Jossi and Julie are their internet personas I'd have to say, "No!"

Jossi appears to be a psychopath and Julie appears to be developmentally disabled or brain damaged. Remember, there is a world of difference between giving messages of love and peace and actually giving love and peace.

There is also a world of difference between being a true premie in the sense of being a good example of the majority of premies or being a good example of an ideal premie. An ideal premie, or at least the ideal premie of the 70's, was one whose life was centered on the practice of Knowledge, satsang, service, meditation and darshan and who through this practice manifested complete sat, cit, anand and selfless surrender and love. Funnily enough love wasn't part of the Indian trilogy.

How would such a person present on prem-rawat-talk forum? How could anybody who wasn't such an ideal know but a few thoughts spring to mind. Truth demands that every aspect of Prem Rawat's character and organisations and the reality of premie lives be openly discussed. Julie relies on repetitive phrases, self-absorption, ignorance and a strange use of written English to mimic a comic spoken Irish.

Consciousness and love would require the premie to actually read (listen) to the posts and reply in a positive, meaningful manner in which love and concern for both the ex-premie and the truth would be paramount.

Bliss would infuse the posts with a feeling that would interest and amuse and inspire the readers despite their opposite viewpoints on many aspects of Rawatism.

All this is nothing but theoretical musing because the techniques of "Knowledge" and Prem Rawat's inspiration barely manage to keep enough people believing to keep his cash flow flowing and his organisations undefunct. They do not create realisation or liberation. True premies are just ordinary folk, mainly in their 50's, with an unusual set of cult beliefs.








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the elusive good premie just another messed up thing we learned
Re: Re: Is Julie the only true premie? Holy Moley -- Ocker Top of thread Archive
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Susan ®

03/21/2006, 10:19:18
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Wasn't it always a little confusing who the "good" premie really was? Was it the ashram person who followed all the rules? Was it the residence staff who had the up close and personal darshan? Was it the rich person who still had a life but had big pockets for toys? Was it the bongo dancing in the aisles lost in apparent bliss?







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Re: the elusive good premie ... that was the Catch 22 of the whole trip!
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03/21/2006, 14:44:40
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no premie was EVER good enough! Catch 22!


Give, and you could have given more.

Serve, and you could always have served more.

Surrender, and you should have surrendered more.


It was a trip in which, no matter how much you effaced yourself and your desires, the Maha/Rawat would inevitably demand more, and more ... and more.

Strangely enough, he's caught enough people in his web who are of the opinion that the more they can give, the happier they think they are.

How come? Because he's giving them the ultimate ego-trip - of thinking that they are special to their "Lord". And in a perverse dance of submissive symmetry, they're giving him his ultimate ego-trip: playing at being their "Lord".

It's a strange dance to waste one's life on, that's for sure. But of course, the devotee doesn't see it that way. The devotee sees any opportunity for subjection to and dependence on the object of their worship as being "an opportunity".

An opportunity for what, though? Masochism on their part?
And what on Rawat's?






Modified by cq at Tue, Mar 21, 2006, 14:46:24

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Good post Chris, that captures the essence of what it is all about
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03/22/2006, 10:05:32
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"no premie was EVER good enough! Catch 22!" Bingo!
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Mick ®

03/22/2006, 12:31:21
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"no premie was EVER good enough! Catch 22!"

In fact, that's like the ultimate codependent relationship. No matter how much you serve the abuser, it's never good enough. And in the Rawat cult, no matter how much anyone served, bowed and scraped, it never was good enough. Whip, whip, flagellate oneself and each other...

Remember this line from Rawat and his instructors, too?

"If you knew who Guru Maharaj ji was you'd be crying for the rest of your life."

Actually, that seems kind of funny now - because you could look at it two ways:

Prem and his cult wanted us to believe he was the Lord in the flesh, "Perfect Master" of our time [like Jesus allegedly was et al, according to the cult], and if we only knew the truth - that he was God in human form - then we'd be crying for the rest of our lives.

We are not worthy!!

On the other hand, if we sacrificed most of our adult lives in "Devotion" to Him only to find out he was really a fraud, then maybe a part of us would be crying the rest of our lives, too - for wasting our lives following a greedy megalomaniacal manipulator.

Flashback:
Oh, what bliss - to be graced with the opportunity to do volunteer selfless service: to scrub his floors, put sod in his lawn, clean the pool, wash his cars, and maybe, just maybe, one might even get a piece of prashad - some leftover spit out piece of tomato from his dinner plate that was saved by a devotee kitchen slave to share with a fellow devotee of the living Lord. But alas, there was a thumbprint on the fender and a speck of dirt under the car - we are not worthy of such divine droppings from the Lord's plate!

The devotee is not worthy enough, the master is never satisfied.

Tear down the house and start building it all over again, and again, and then again...

Whip, whip, flagellate oneself - and each other - in Devotion to the Perfect Master.

David Mankoff: Maharaji needs a new luxury jet plane. We gave him our bank account, but that was not enough. We are not worthy! We must do more, we must give more, in service to the living Lord, Maharaji, the Great King - and we are his lowly unworthy servants, not fit to be called devotees of the Master.

Note: In their discourses and writings, both Shri Hans and Prem Rawat have referred to their devotees as "dogs."

To any lurking premies [Rawat students]: What kind of 'master' is That?! That's a really sick bizarre relationship - master/slave, master/devotee, and now Rawat students signing away their legal rights in submission in order to receive the so-called 'keys.' Sick. Sikh. Seek something better in life, dear friends. Save yourselves a world of pain.
"Waiting the word of the Master... " Well, don't hold your breath!








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No, I'm the only true premie!
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Juan Carlo Finesseti ®

03/22/2006, 22:04:10
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The deal is, you've got to follow the Master's example and drink a bottle of cognac a day. Nobody said it'd be easy...





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Re: No, I'm the only true premie!
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03/23/2006, 07:25:57
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I rememeber in the late 70s, one of his garderenrs told me that he carried outa whole crate of empty Johny Walker (red label) bottles while prem and sampuranand were drunk out of their heads and needed to be carried.

I remember thinkingg that only satguru can do that and still be who he is..yada yada yada...ouch...how wponderful that HE is doing it for us

So was I in a cult or was it a cult?

Jethro






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