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Hi Joy Good to see you again here, hope life is treating you well. Thanks for that link. I'm not surprised to see Prem Rawat up to his usual tricks again by not revealing the true extent of what is involved in practising his 'Knowledge'. For instance, from your link, I see he was interviewed recently for an Indian TV program presented by Rajiv Mehrotra. What Rawat says is that peace is within you and there are 4 techniques to achieve that. However nowhere does Rawat mention that what he offers is not simply 4 techniques but, as we know, involves 'staying in touch' and more importantly placing him as an essential ingredient to achieve what he seemingly offers. The 'Importance of the Master' and all that balony. So he continues this bait and switch technique as he has always done. Offer something that is seemingly totally innocuous, but once anyone becames interested then through a process of boring talks, dvds and the like this changes to a whole set of beliefs, thoughts and false assumptions. Sure many people who initially show interest will walk away but Rawat is playing a numbers game as he has always done. There will be a certain percentage of people who will stay the course and before they know it they will have become fully indoctrinated cult members giving up their time and money all for the ultimate benefit of Prem Rawat. The horrifying aspect of this game that Rawat plays is that, imo, he really believes that he is bringing 'peace' to people. Here is the stuff from the TV interview. On the 3rd of march Maharaji taped an interview with Rajiv Mehrotra. Rajiv Mehrotra has a weekly chat show on Doordarshan television in India called "in Conversation" He has interviewed many world leaders and celebrities. Doordarshan is the first national TV station, accessible all across India. I was lucky to be invited to the interview which was in English and was very lively and informative. Yesterday (11th March) the interview aired on TV here in Delhi at 9:30 pm. Here are some words from their conversation: Rajiv: It seems Maharaji, my reality is different from your reality. Maharaji: The breath comes into you and the breath comes into me. All the people on the face of this earth have the same fundamental reality.
One perspective is saying - I think, and one perspective is saying, I know. What I am saying is get in touch with that fundamental reality. You feel it, and thats it! Do you want to get in touch with that reality inside of you? R: Yes. What do I need to do to reach the peace you recommend? M: The first step is to understand that the peace is already within you. R: Yes I do believe that. R: Is there a technique? M: Yes. There are 4 techniques that take you inside.
R: Tell us what it is?
M: It begins with "Do I feel that thirst." Once a person gets thirsty, they find the water. R: Do you ever get thirsty? M: Of course I do! When I get thirsty, I turn to that well within and drink. R: What is your destination? M: My destination is to have the access to that peace that is inside of me. R: What would you say to Bin Laden and George Bush? M: I have to look at them as human beings.
If it was morning I would say "good morning."
I would say, "have a good life." If people respected life, I think we would have a better world.
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"All the people on the face of this earth have the same fundamental reality.
One perspective is saying - I think, and one perspective is saying, I know." What a blunt instrument he is.It makes me cross sometimes to hear these delicate concepts used as weapons to bamboozle the unwary. Anybody know what is happening in India at the mo? I know of two leading devotees who have just jetted off there. Love Bryn
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>Anybody know what is happening in India at the mo? I know of two leading devotees who have just jetted off there.< From the Hippy Dippy tendancy at: http://pwkindia.bravejournal.com/ 2 Mars Balangad ,sector-45 Huda shahupura gao ke pas ballangod, Faridabad,hariyana(near delhi) 5 mars Jabalpur pipariya baniya kheda , gram-khajri purena road,Panagar,Jabalpur 8 mars Waidhan ,dist.Sidhi , andhra pradesh : N.C.L mukyalay aavaclyparisar haraee Waihdan.get of railway station :singrauli 10 mars Gorakhpur : Apur fhartiliezer corporation of india ltd Baragdava,Gorakhpur, U.P 13-14-15 mars RVK delhi 19 Mars "Sisai" (gumla) Gram-zariyatali b.n julan collage road bargaonod sisae dist.gumla zarhand , near Ranchi jharkand 22 mars "Nalanda" very historical plaze in Bihar , 3 hrs by bus from eather Ghaya or patna : Sukhari krushi fara yukangarsarai , Nalanda , bihar 26 mars Yamunanagar sector -15 hudatejali sportsground ke pasyamunanagar,hariyana 29 mars moradabad gram-va-pest-pha thakpur, chandaoshi-babra 1 a road,moradabad , U.P
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So they are going to have Holi? I used to think Holi was fun. I really did. Certainly more fun than most of the things we did back then. It looks like Rawat has some sort of bad rash or hyperpigmentation on his forehead and outer part of his cheeks in some of the pictures. Also, there is an interview he did on Indian tv. I wonder if that is the same sort of softball type interview he had on that DVD or if there is a chance he got asked some tough questions? I hope they keep the blog up its interesting.
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Good analysis, Joy and T.Is Rajiv Mehrotra aware of Rawat's true colors? Has he (or his research team) done any research, like 30 seconds on Google? Has he been paid to do this tame interview? Is he a premie himself? Or doesn't he really care, he's just nice and cute to all his interviewees? Just wondering... -- Mike
www.MikeFinch.com
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If you do a search on Amazon for 'Rajiv Mehrotra' you find he has edited or written a few books, including 'The Mind of the Guru : Conversations with Spiritual Masters' and 'The Essential Dalai Lama : His Important Teachings' which is quite a good seller.I don't have the time nor inclination to find out what makes this guy tick, but I would be mildly interested to know if he sees himself as a fair-minded objective reporter, or is merely a cult apologist. -- Mike
www.MikeFinch.com
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And all in one short paragraph. So simple ( it could have come from an amoeba)... R: What would you say to Bin Laden and George Bush? M: I have to look at them as human beings.
If it was morning I would say "good morning."
I would say, "have a good life." If people respected life, I think we would have a better world. Christ. Reading that has made my blood boil. What absolute and total bollocks. What mind-numbing and loathsome rhetoric. What utter banality. Off to have a cold shower.
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but after the cold shower - think how funny it'll look on the Wiki quotes page tomorrow morning!In the meantime, here's an off-topic joke about pressing political problems:
George Bush, Condeleeza Rice and Dick Cheney are flying on Air Force One. George looks at Condeleeza, chuckles and says, "You know, I could throw a $1,000 bill out the window right now and make somebody very happy." Condeleeza shrugs her shoulders and says, "Well, I could throw ten $100 bills out the window and make 10 people very happy." Cheney says, "Of course then, I could throw one-hundred $10 bills out the window and make a hundred people very happy." The pilot rolls his eyes, looks at all of them and says to his co-pilot, "Just listen to them . . . hell, I could throw all of them out the window and make 57.3 million people very happy."
Modified by cq at Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 13:34:38
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And are you gonna put Rawat's political solutions on Wiki? Hope so!
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(wee bit later):it's on wikiquote now - just click on the link and go to the section titled "2000", then scroll down a bit.
Related link: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Prem_Rawat
Modified by cq at Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 15:05:05
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Cheers - will take a look.
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he says it's "not from a reputable source".
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You couldn't make this up - no-one would believe it!
Jossi bans a premie blog as not being reputable because they are quoting Prem Rawat honestly and sincerely and he is "protecting" the Inspirational Speaker of The Universe from the truth. Jossi must be one seriously sick puppy.
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That was an unjustified deletion. The source is not a blog, but Doodarshan TV. Please note that the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia about reputable sources may not apply for Wikiquote. You really have to learn the policies and guidelines well otherwise all your edits may get reverted, regardless whether the guidelines and policies justify deletion. If you do not know the policies and guidelines then you cannot protest. Andries
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"Please note that the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia about reputable sources may not apply for Wikiquote."
That's even weirder than Jossi
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and hence they have different policies and guidelines. The mother foundation for both projects is the Wikimedia foundation. Andries
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Protest? moi?I will simply ask Jossi to explain his actions, if he can. This is what I shall ask: - precisely what, pray tell, is disreputable about that site? Perhaps you could have the decency to state whatever reasons you might have for doubting its authenticity before you go deleting at will - and for no apparent purpose, other than your embarrassment at what Rawat is reported (by one of his own "students", I hasten to add) to have said.
Modified by cq at Tue, Mar 14, 2006, 06:23:55
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Here's what's posted at the site Jossi doubts the authenticity of:QUOTE
About the Innerlink Blog
Hello
It is incredible for me to see so much excitement in response to this blog.
Thank you Maharaji, for giving us something worth writing about.
I am only part of the small team that is making this happen.
Sushi Davies is doing some of the writing and editing plus the
web and email work (which is a lot). Mehau Kulyk is taking many
of the photos and other members of the production crew
are providing support on the road.
Dunrite is providing the server infrastructure, with some initial help from Visions.
With all that said, the blogs are the effort of a small group of volunteers, written from our individual perspectives and experiences.
They do not represent any company or organization.
ENDQUOTE
Modified by cq at Tue, Mar 14, 2006, 15:57:34
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And when you consider that Jossi was the great creative chief at Dunrite for quite a while, it's outrageous. Try the following cached link where Jossi's resume contains his Dunrite Work
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:ksOQGr1WH4IJ:www.jossi.fresco.name/portfolio.htm+Dunrite+Jossi&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a
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If you nurture that serenity in your life, then your fields will be filled with serenity. If you do not, your fields will be filled with thorns and weeds. (Rawat 'philosophising' in Ft. Lauderdale.) It beats all that wet stuff from Jesus ... Consider the lilies of the fields and all that. Far too compassionate for Rawat. Give him the 'eye-for-an-eye', 'hang 'em high', straight down the line fundamentalist propaganda any day. No wonder he'd say Good morning to Bush and Bin Laden.
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