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Hello Marianne, i didnt start posting here because my husband passed away, i simply post here because i have a genuine interest in wanting peace in the hearts of all humans. those who want to make unkind comments about my personal experience are most welcome to do so,as after all its just anothers opinion on my experience. im not here to do anything other than be honest. i also, like the ex premies have experienced lots of injustices especially in meeting people who somehow thought they had an authority to tell me what to do and what not to do, where to sit and where not to sit and all that sort of rubbish. everyone has their own story, from their own experiences and no one knows better than the person its happening to at the time. let me assure u Marianne and anyone who would like to know, im not in the least bit bothered wheather people practise knowledge or not, surely thats everyones own bussinness and not mine. i like communication and have lots of very good friends who dont practise knowledge, they know I do though! so Marianne in relation to delightful people there are many in this world, having knowledge or not having is not the issue, being in the right conciousness is the issue as far as im concerned. thank u for ur advice in relation to wheather i should continue or not to write to people on this site, i have no problem with anyone speaking from their own personal exprience and also have no preference to talk to people wheather they practise knowledge or not.have u ever reconsidered not posting here Marianne and posting where those nice premies post? i have found nice ex premies (as they call themselves) very nice and have no problem hearing their views and judgements even on me without even knowing me or anything about me. surely to God no one wants to hear me talk about whats not true to me. its raining against the window as i sit here writing to u Marianne and wish u well. stay happy in whatever u do and think posative. love and best wishes and thank u for ur careing words in relation to my husbands departure! my Husband was a good Man and our 2 Sons and 1 Daughter miss him very much we were Married for 31yrs. He told me about Maharaji in 1973 and thats how we met. AAAh its hard not to cry sometimes, but i got to stay strong for our Family. Love Julie x
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Your ignorance and arrogance are astonishing. Being a follower of a grossly fat, pathetic, minor guru and believing his laughable spiel that poking your fingers in your eyes, your thumbs in your ears, being so hung up on your breath and sticking your tongue back into your mouth does not mean you have right consciousness. It means that you're ignorant and deluded and whether you're nice, happy, naive but somewhat dim or not is immaterial.
I'm as nice and happy as you are even though I'm no longer naive and a tad brighter. The sun is shining but I find your rambling and repetitive spiel offensive. You should be concerned that nearly everybody in Ireland who has "received Knowledge" no longer "practises it". If you had any regard for 'sat' or truth you would meditate on this conundrum: Why does nearly everyone who practises Knowledge decide it is not worth continuing with? Why has every decision Prem Rawat has made in the last 25 years re the "propagation" of this "Knowledge" been counter productive? There's a huge number of questions you have to ignore to continue in your delusional system of Rawatism and to make things worse your posts are bloody boring.
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Not only did Prem Rawat not "receive Knowledge" at the age of 4 but "Jai Sat Chit Anand" does not mean "truth is the consciousness of bliss". A translation of 'jai' is "victory be to" or "glory to" or as we would say in English "hooray for".
While sat=truth, chit (or cit) = consciousness and anand = bliss the phrase was only ever translated as you recall it by Divine Light Mission. It is indicative of the false philosophy of Rawatism. Bliss in the relatively minor manifestations that premies show is pretty easily attained in any religion or cult but it certainly doesn't mean the cult's dogma is true.
If that was what mattered we'd be able to tell if Prem Rawat or Satpal Rawat was the real Perfect Master by having a bliss competition amongst their followers. As Satpal has more followers than Prem and most of Prem's followers are a pretty unimpressively blissful group I'm pretty sure that Satpal would be declared the Perfect Master on the blissful chants of "Bhole Shri Satguru Dev Satpal Ki Jai" at the next Khumba Mela while your lone voice cackling in the bogs of Carrickfergus is hard pressed to inspire enough Irish to fill a small church. Just how many Irish from your "Knowledge Session" have remained premies?
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Ocker how are you? im not interested how many people practise knowledge who got it at the same time as me, its irrelavant! I practise and thats whats important to me. its up to each person to do what they feel is best for them! By the way there was 2000 people in the church for my husbands funeral 4 weeks ago, believe it or not, its true though. good luck to u Ocker, Best Wishes Julie
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And because your husband was a likeable person or came from a large family I'm supposed to think that somehow validates your Rawat religion?
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most of the people who came to Dereks funeral were not people whom we knew from having received knowledge, lots of them were work friends and friends of ours from the music world. derek was a great Man for the Music and a great song writer, he also played piano guitar and afew other instruments. by the way i dont practise any religion, do you Ocker? bregards Julie
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Julie if I post about "Jai Sat Chit Anand" then you are meant to post a response to that post. All your posts are about how happy you are, how nothing else matters but your practising and the death of your husband. I'm sure there are forums for the discussion of happiness, forums for discussion of death and mournign though I doubt there are any based on Julie Smyth and her happiness and it's not really appropriate for you to try to hijack this one. Just start one of your own: www.julie-smyth.org
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Good Night Ocker im off to practise Knowledge do take it easy and enjoy ur life! I have a busy day tomorrow due to Dereks departure. Three things we can be sure of in this life " We're born we die ond inbetween we have the breath we breathe! I Like this forum, do you Ocker? Love Julie
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Well I've heard of people like Bono and Van and Sinead and Finbar and Paddy and hundreds of others but Derek Smyth? Are you sure he wasn't a great song writer in the same way you think Prem Rawat is a great Lord of the Universe?
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hi Ocker Dereks name was not Smyth.
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Maybe I can listen to some of his music and be inspired and start practising meditation and return to the Lotus Feet of prem Rawat and it would all be because of you and Derek ____?
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You wish to believe it is irrelevant because that allows you to continue in your ignorant solipsism. What it shows is that you can fool some of the people all of the time but in the case of Prem Rawat, the former Lord of the Universe you can't fool any but a handful and if your any indication not exactly the brightest amtches in the pack.
BTW, did all your children attend their father's funeral? Of course they did, even the ones who'd fallen out with him at times.
But your guru didn't attend his mother's funeral not that she would have given him permission and she was the wife of the former Perfect Master who was able to teach her about how a Perfect Master should be for a lot longer than he was able to teach Prem which is probably why Prem has been such a failure at bringing peace to the world.
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ocker our 3 childre who are young adults did attend their Dads send off, now in relation to Maharajis dear Mother departure i cant comment as i dont know anything in relation to Maharajis arrangements at the time of his Mothers funeral, surely thats not my bussinness or concern. if any one of our children couldnt attend their Dads funeral he wouldnt have minded in the least! as my Father used to say to me before he dies " Julie will u come to my funeral when i die " I might and i mightened I would answer him(Joke) Come if u want he would say to me 'cause i wont be there myself he would say! even Maharajis Mum had to practise knowledge if she wanted to know wheather it worked of not. derek had to practise his songs before he sang on stage to get it right. regards Julie
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How do you know Mata Ji didn't practise Knowledge? She was practising Knowledge before Prem was born and she was initiated directly by Shri Hans himself, the man who taught Prem everything he knew, that's everything Prem knew, not everything Shri Hans knew. She continued to practise Knowledge until her death and served the premies of India tirelessly and selflessly see http://www.manavdharam.org/. That's one of the other things you know nothing about. Meanwhile Prem continues to destroy the environment in this multi million dollar jet flying around doing programs for less and less premies.
Have you ever seen Prem sit in meditation for more than 30 seconds? Of course not. If you had spent any time in his private presence you would have seen him smoking dope, Marlboros and drinking expensive cognac but not practising knowledge!
Do you constantly meditate on Holy Name? Lot's of Indians who received Knowledge from Shri Hans and continued to follow Mata Ji and Satpal's direction have been constantly meditating on Holy Name for 50 years by now. DO you think your practise is better then their's? They think Prem is a naughty boy, not the Messiah.
Modified by Ocker at Sun, Mar 12, 2006, 19:44:40
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Maybe you should give up on trying to engage in rational argument with her. (Don't meself think she's a rational girl at the moment!) Not that I'm trying to tell you what to do! It's just a bit painful seeing you bash yer head against a brick wall. 
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Thanks moley but I had half an hour where I was waiting for someone to come and get me and I was in front of a computer and Julie was at the same time. I found it amusing but if anyone knows who her husband was I'd be glad to listen to some of his music.
And then last night I met an old lady premie friend who shares many of Julie's characteristics and beliefs. I find that I'm still befuddled by the amount of true belief true believers can believe.
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can you translate "Jai Cat Shit Anand" for me? I'd really appreciate that! I love that phrase. It so seems to sum things up.
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Jai Sat Chit Anand means Truth is the Conciousness of Bliss. love Julie
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Marianne advice is good, a premie forum is where you will get support for your beliefs. Here people are going to challenge them because we left. Most of us believe Rawat is the worst kind of fraud. I should say too, that I am sorry about your loss of your husband. It is very touching that so many turned out for his funeral. He must have been a special person.
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hi Susan, thank you girls for what you believe to be good advice for me< im not looking for support for what i know to be true, i dont mind people challenging me, everyone is entitled to believe Maharaji to be whoever he is to them. to me Maharaji is a great person and the Knowledge i have practised for 33yrs works. my Husband was indeed a very well known person for many reasons! Firstly he told everyone he met about Maharaji and the Knowledge they could receive and practise, many people got knowledge from him telling them, including me! He had a high powered job and also sang in a band, wrote all his own songs thousands of them, never drank, never smoked, did everything to make a good impression, and he also was a community Arts Director in many areas of Dublin! He loved Maharaji and what he represented, to him that is! i like the communication on this forum! Im here on the planet to help bring peace, not only for me but all our Children, and theirs to come. love and Best Wishes Julie
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Im here on the planet to help bring peace, not only for me but all our Children, and theirs to come. love and Best Wishes Julie You are very persistent, Julie. Maharaji must be so glad to have you as a devotee. I have a couple of questions. What do you mean when you say you're here to help bring peace? By posting here, are you trying to convert ex-premies back to being followers of Maharaji again? For whom are you posting on this forum? Do you have any direction from Maharaji (either implied or directly from him) to post here? Cynthia
Modified by Cynthia at Wed, Mar 15, 2006, 07:51:21
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Hello Cynthia, Maharaji is glad to have me as a helper and a devotee. what i mean when i say im here to help bring peace I literally mean just that! Perhaps you would like to know how I claim to help! Well Cynthia heres how...im a peaceful, loving,kind hearted person, i practise knowledge, it works for me and i tell others who want to know. i also live a peaceful life! By posting here I am not trying to convert anyone to do anything they dont want to do! if anyone on this forum decides to practise Knowledge its entirely up to them,not me! im posting on this forum for myself as i have a genuine interest in people who have got upset by some of the other followers which i believe are the ones who have upset people, and not Maharaji himself! Ive had a lot of hassel from some people who put themselves in positions of authority at the events nothing to do with Maharaji whatsoever! Maharaji has never told me what to do, he simply gives me good advice and after that its up to me wheather i pay any attention or not. I post here because i like the communication, and like to hear others views, as everyones views are valid! Maharaji has directed me to practise knowledge, and i do. personal choice, just like people on this forum have decided not to practise for their own personal reasons! I am not part of a cult, nor am i part of a forum opinion. i am one individual with my own personal view on what i practise.nice to hear from you though Cynthia. love Julie x
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