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| Mike, I don't get it....did you read what Ghi posted? | |||
| Re: Reasonable Ghi, but there are some issues... -- Mike Finch | Top of thread | Forum | |
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Mike, sometimes when I read your posts, I get the feeling that you are bending over backwards to appear "reasonable" as some kind of bridge between the premie and the ex-premie world, like you consider yourself different in some way because you aren't "angry" and are respectful of individual beliefs. Well, that's fine, but I have to say, that Ghi is just spouting the mixed-message bullshit that Rawat does, basically talking in circles, claiming reasonableness and being open to people who don't find knowledge useful or helpful, and in fact harmful, while also making preposterous claims, such as:
The ashram and the changing organizations are not the experience. They are just vehicles for that time to help coordinate an effort of information and introduction to Maharaji.
They aren't the "experience" (meaningless word BTW as EVERYTHING is an "experience"), but the ashrams were not a "vehicle of information and introduction," they were institutions set up by Rawat so people could devote their lives to him, and he repeatedly let it be known that being in the ashram was really the only way of doing that, and leaving was equivalent to blowing your brains out with dynamite (see the transcript that Gallery just put up.)
The Keys are meant to offer practical steps to introduce Knowledge in a clear, consistent way.
Bullshit. They are a means of indoctrination so that people are sufficiently programmed before they get the techniques. If Rawat was interested in giving people peace, he would reveal the techniques to people immediately, if he actually knew that they provided that "experience" without the internalization of a destructive belief system. To be fair, you do take on this point in your post, sort of. If you peel away all the resentment and predisposed judgment, you will find that the experience of Knowledge is still an experience and not the techniques. Bullshit double talk culttalk. An "experience" is an "experience." Right. You would have to be indoctrinated in a cult to find any meaning whatsoever in that sentence, as Ghi certainly is. It is a good thing, not harmful. It allows for association, support and understanding of others committed to truth and love. Blimey. You agree with this? I beg to differ. Many ex-premies think it's actually harmful to people and was to them. "Understanding of others??????" The cult preaches exclusivity and "them and us" menatlity. I have never once heard Rawat ever speak about respect for what other people believe, and certainly not that any other "experience" has value equal to, or better than, "knowledge." The following blather sums up the duplicity in Ghi's post: It’s an individual experience. The essence of life is the magic behind stillness, music, symmetry, love, and growth. This epitomizes the doubletalk. For public consumption, cult members like Ghi parrot respect for the individual and how we are all different, and then they make these pronouncements of fact about how knowledge is the "magic" on a universal basis. But it isn't only the Rawat cult, Mike. All cults do this. The thing I find troubling, is your agreement with any of it. Modified by Joe at Mon, May 09, 2005, 12:11:51 |
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