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“Talented and well-practiced in every vice, a stranger to compassion or empathy, a liar and a cheat so complete in perfidy that he has elevated his dishonesty to hold it up as an ersatz moral principle. Violent, so long as he can order someone else to do the dirty work. Grotesque in body, graceless in action, in possession of a wounded self-regard so colossal as to smother any spark of grace.
Treasonous, not only to country, but to every ally he has ever had, the poisoned fruit and rankest flower of racism and contempt for women, and utterly devoid of shame for his moral and spiritual bankruptcy. That is your leader. That is to whom you give your money. That is who you follow and laud. That is whose banner you willingly carry. Why? Because he is a mirror, not a lighthouse. You see yourselves in him. He is what you would be, if you had inherited money and could shed the last vestiges of conscience and shame. No, I do not “respect your choices,” nor do I admire your loyalty and dedication to this miserific, demoniac vision. You have demonstrated not only a lack of civic virtue, loyalty to the Republic and to the rule of law, but a willingness to engage in violence and sedition at his slightest expressed wish. And you will never, ever admit you were wrong. Because you see your dark, twisted, resentful dreams in him. And to renounce him is to renounce yourselves.”
~ Advocatus Peregrini
Drawing: "Stable Genius" by Siegfried Woldhek, October 12, 2019
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The whole purpose of The Theory is to divide, and to demonise the other side. I wish everyone would wake up! I know loads of lovely people who vote for Trump - including my late husband Nigel’s sister (now a US citizen). She’s intelligent, perfectly sane, and a thoroughly decent person (just like her brother, who a lot of you knew well 😉
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The Theory that you to speak about seems to be a right wing (yes, we have to divide everything into left an right, black and white - there is no gray) CONSPIRACY THEORY.
Trump is just f-ing evil and sick. Come on! Stop ignoring the obvious.
It's a sick cult to worship Donald, 'Stable Genius', Trump as you parade out Nigel's sister and, of course, she's intelligent, etc. That's the kind of stuff we did as premies - we put forth normal and outstanding people as followers.
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I think a lot of us Americans are just sick of hearing about Donald Trump as he has taken center stage in our lives for who knows how many stupid years.
The guy is just a sleaze-ball. Always has been ever since he was young and ever since he and his father would not rent or sell homes to blacks. Look it up. It's real. It's how he rolls.
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Apology accepted. Thanks … Roger? I always get these names muddled up. Not sure you mean you are being black and white or I’m being black and white. It’s very different over this side of the pond. You have a straight divide down the middle. We have the mainstream and the anti-establishment subversive ones. It is a weird inversion of the 60’s. Now the ‘Progressive’ Left are thoroughly establishment - take your vaccines, buy you expensive electric cars and the proletariat who can’t afford them can go do one, Free Speech is dangerous. Everyone who isn’t a Progressive Woke person is a dangerous far right individual who believes in Free Speech. Count yourself very lucky you have a Constitution. I wish you were right and The Theory was a right- wing Conspiracy Theory, but alas it isn’t. If you don’t know the term ‘The Theory’ (academic nickname for Critical Theory which spawned Critical Race Theory - surely you’ve heard of that! - Post Colonial Theory. Queer Theory etc) then I guess you haven’t moved in those circles. (You ain’t missing much 😃
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Woke theory: the catchword for dreaded liberalism.How the left is taking over. This is such nonsense. Why do conservatives cringe at the thought of all books being available to read ? Shouldn't we ban those books and teachers that might make us feel uncomfortable? Books that point out that fewer than 238,000 indigenous people in N. America remained in 1900 from a population of 5 million prior to European contact? Or how slavery enabled our powerhouse economic underpinnings as a country? Or that not all people are heterosexual? American conservatives wan't to know what your doing in your bedrooms - and exactly what orifice is legal and which is not. They say they value human life, though once born, allow little or no help whatsoever, scant parental leave, little or no school lunch for youngsters...nothing. Subsidize big business you bet ! Complain when a history of trampled human rights even dare to be righted? If we are so assaulted by the left conspiracy, why do big business, and conservative politicians thrive? Money still runs things as usual. Chief justice Thomas, who's wife egged on, and was involved with insurrectionists has not been made to recuse himself from trumps presidential immunity hearings. Why? Because we are so dominated by the woke?
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Rod,
Recently, the Supreme Court of Canada issued an opinion that criticized a lower court judge for using the word "woman" instead of "person with a vagina":
The term “person with a vagina” made its legal debut in Canada last Friday. It’s inclusive-speak for “woman,” and now it’s part of the vernacular of the Supreme Court. The decision in which it was used, R v. Kruk, dealt with sexual assault, and whether it was correct in law to assume that women know when they are being penetrated by a penis. The answer turned out to be yes, as one would imagine, but the reasoning to get there took a bizarre route. Writing for all judges (except for Justice Malcolm Rowe, who wrote a concurring opinion), Justice Sheilah Martin wrote:
“Where a person with a vagina testifies credibly and with certainty that they felt penile‑vaginal penetration, a trial judge must be entitled to conclude that they are unlikely to be mistaken. “While the choice of the trial judge to use the words ‘a woman’ may have been unfortunate and engendered confusion, in context, it is clear the judge was reasoning that it was extremely unlikely that the complainant would be mistaken about the feeling of penile‑vaginal penetration.” https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-we-didnt-need-person-with-a-vagina-added-to-the-legal-vernacular
What do you think about this? Nothing to worry about? Not indicative of anything bigger? A one-off?
Is this something I'm troubled by because I'm a conservative but more reasonable people would approve of, even celebrate?
Oh and to be clear, I’m calling this woke.
Modified by Jim at Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 18:56:10
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that would make me a pwav and a man a pwap!!!
Catchy isn't it. God I am glad I'm not young nowadays.
They scare me. I think they are maybe already on the top of the pile.
Modified by lesley at Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 20:15:52
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You so much can't call them "trannies" now. Seriously, not only would you be committing professional and perhaps social suicide if you even once dared to say that at work or in public, but you could even be criminally charged and possibly jailed in some places. Scotland, for instance, or Ireland which recently came that close to accepting a law that allowed the police to inspect your phones or computers without warrants and arrest you if you had any content they deemed potentially offensive or hurtful to certain protected groups if you were to send it. The referendum failed but by a close margin and there's no way they won't try again.
No wait! I was wrong. The bill is alive!
Modified by Jim at Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 20:06:56
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oh god sorry thought that word was still ok
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Not only is it not okay but the fact that you didn't know that would be no excuse. Because the woke agenda is premised on the Marxist idea that people like you are unfairly privileged at the expense of the poor marginalized, you don't get any benefit of the doubt. They're looking for any excuse to cancel you as a lesson to the rest. Your possible redemption and future happiness means very little. You're more useful as yet another cautionary tale.
This is all a lot more like Mao's Chinese cultural revolution than we realize. Oh sure, right now, it's nowhere near as bad and it probably won't ever get quite there as we have material prosperity and a civil rights heritage the Chinese never had then either. But there are vectors and trajectories that run quite parallel. Who knows where this all goes but it sure is happening.
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yes, the point comes where you simply can't say what you want to. Honesty is no defence against what is perceived as giving offence.
Maybe that's why people started writing fairy tales.
It looks to me like we are looking at the same elephant in the room.
You say it is a neo-Marxist Woke not just trend but deliberate orchestrated conspiracy - between you and Moley, you are making quite a case but be that as it may, I still think it comes down to the flesh of us. Genetics. Evolution - you don't have to look any further than that.
My theory is that it is an evolutionary tipping point we are undergoing. A rapid change that finally comes as a result of build up that has been coming for a long time.
And it's the iceberg thing - when a man puts on a dress in public they can be seen to be who they are but how many transgender males actually do that? How many have been happy in their closet? The iceberg theory gives you an answer of 90%.
You say conspiracy I say it's happening anyway. A natural phenomenon like the hermit crab outgrowing it's shell.
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Jim, call it woke or perhaps just absurd overreach.not sure which - or the context this arose from. Things are getting more complex - most everything. I see extremism as a problem from both sides of the aisle, and endorse neither. one hopes to be able accommodate a range of views, and this is not easily or gracefully maneuvered. Alan Watts once said that politics is turning from side to side on a hard bench.
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Rod,
I don’t see the two-sides thing. There are those who appreciate our society and want to conserve it largely as is with careful, incremental change over time and only subject to careful consideration and those who want to tear it down and rebuild in hopes of some better, albeit undefined, utopia. Where’s extremism between the two?
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Jim,I too appreciate our society and want to conserve it: Rule of law through established procedures. Trump wants to be a dictator, and has said so. He would happily emulate Orban and Putin, and end this... problem. Much like in Viet Nam we destroyed villages to 'save' them.
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Rod,
Trump was president for four years. Was he a dictator then? Of course not. In fact, it's too bad that he didn't wield power as autocratically as he might have, certainly not as much as Biden has. I mean look how the latter has completely weaponized the justice system to attack his opponent. Have you missed that?
And no, Trump, never said he wants to be a dictator.
When Hannity bemusingly asked him about people saying that he did, Trump joked -- "yes, I'll be a dictator for a day"
And while Putin most certainly warrants the title, Orban? Again, that's ridiculous. He's a conservative duly-elected head of state who pisses off the left because he isn't playing ball on the globalist agenda.
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Why don't you respond to what I said? Can you do that please?
The same media that you're relying upon here for its analysis here (and which I say is ridiculous but that's another issue) is the one that tricked you into thinking Trump said he wants to be a dictator.
So, tell me, do you agree or disagree that he never said that in any kind of serious way but merely joked that he would be for one day?
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Jim,your one to talk - when you chastise me for a comment about the NY Post from one of your 'illuminating' articles. And you very selective in your replies.. We both understand writing is also obfuscation. The piece I just sent you was reporting on what trump says, and began to implement his last term, right out of the Putin playbook. He also said he wished to be a dictator... Neither you nor Hannity need to interpret for us. I find your 100% definitive views patently absurd - but they must reassure you. No need to answer this as I've added as much as I care to.
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Here’s your typical MSM coverage.
Notice how they completely steamroll over the obvious sarcasm. That’s one thing. He said “for a day” - clearly just playing around.
But then look what they do - cutting off the rest of his answer even to raise some ugly vague specter of what the hell he’s talking about. It's all just this: TRUMP: He says, "You're not gonna be a dictator, are you?" I said no, no, no … other than Day One. We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I'm not a dictator, OK?
And even when Snopes spelled it all out they held back from stating how obviously the media was lying:
Yeah, they said the headlines lacked context. Tell me about it.
So anyway, there you go. A false claim that fooled you. Mission accomplished
Now, as for your suggestion that Trump began ruling like a dictator when in office, what in the world are you talking about? Did he weaponize the judiciary and intelligence agencies to frame and destroy his political opponents? You know, like Obama did? Like Biden is now to an unprecedented degree, something no one might have imagined ten years ago? Did he do that?
Or maybe you don't want to actually consider anything about this rationally, fairly and all that? Why bother?
Modified by Jim at Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 15:59:43
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Biden repeated the same stupid-as-fuck lies at the White House correspondent's dinner -- that Trump said he would be a dictator or that there'd be a bloodbath if he wasn't elected (he was talking about the car industry) but not a single voice in the mainstream media corrected him!
So what's a guy like you suppose to think? You're used to following the mainstream media and that's exactly what you're doing. Truth be damned.
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Jim,Biden's quote was correct according to your earlier "corrections" about this... his quote at the dinner: "He has said he wants to be a dictator on day one" btw Trump would never attend this function as president, as he can't take a joke or criticism.
The context of the following which you interpret for us is certainly questionable - except to you.
In the middle of a section in his speech about placing tariffs on imported cars, and foreign competition for the U.S. auto industry, Trump declared: "If I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole country."
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"He has said he wants to be a dictator on day one"
How do you reconcile that with:
" ....no, no, no … other than Day One. We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I'm not a dictator, OK?" You're playing the same games premies play all the time trying to twist and distort the words of the master. Why do that? The guy was joking. Don't you know what a joke is? Are you pretending to not know that? Are you joking? You might as well be.
And what about Biden and all the lapdog media? Are they suddenly unable to tell the difference either? And why aren't they -- or you -- ever using the full quote that obviously makes that so clear?
Likewise, the bloodbath comment. Here's what he actually said:
"China now is building a couple of massive plants where they're going to build the cars in Mexico and think, they think, that they're going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something, to China, if you're listening, President Xi — and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal — those big, monster car-manufacturing plants that you're building in Mexico right now, and you think you're going to get that, you're going to not hire Americans, and you're going to sell the cars to us? No, we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you're not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected. Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that's going to be the least of it, it's going to be a bloodbath for the country, that'll be the least of it. But they're not going to sell those cars, they're building massive factories."
Are you actually saying that you can't see that he was talking specifically about a bloodbath in the industry?
Be honest.
Modified by Jim at Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 13:52:31
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Jim,you defend your master at all costs. Yes, of course this political rhetoric & trickery pervades discourse on both sides... wouldn't you agree?
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So that's what you've got, eh? More crude insults?
Trump's suddenly my "master"?
You're being dishonest and evasive.
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Jim,you evaded my last question... and also isn't Biden's quote accurate? without your backstory about Trumps great sense of humor. rod, no longer a premie. *
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No, Rod, Biden's quote is not accurate. You're wasting my time. I'm done talking with you.
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A couple of minutes in to this you will see how, in the UK, classic authors such as PG Wodehouse, Ian Fleming, Roald Dahl are being posthumously edited to rewrite parts that are deemed to ‘trigger’ certain ‘protected groups’. I understand the US has removed certain classic books from libraries altogether, eg Uncle Tom’s Cabin, for the same reason
Modified by Moley at Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 04:21:29
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Thanks, Madeleine, that was excellent. I’d never heard of Emma before. Some good questions afterwards too.
I love her citing both Lifton and Lindsay in the same breath. But here’s the Orwell essay she refers to which I’ve never read but will now:
Modified by Jim at Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 10:57:02
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Hi Moley,I just wanted to circle back to this post of yours, and express 100% agreement with you. This revising of past books as you describe is a real crime. All books should be given the light of day. The big publishing houses these days are unprincipled, and only about the money. Uncle Toms Cabin was banned in the South in 1852, as it was about the horrors of slavery - not a popular notion down there then. It is not a banned book now.
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Nice to see you here. 
The obvious follow on is don't you know loads of lovely people who followed Rawat?
When I was a teenager we always used to say don't vote, it only encourages them. And I still feel like that, I hate having to vote but I do it because the alternative of not having a vote looks worse.
Very contrary state human affairs are in.
I do not believe it is down to a neo-Marxist plot though. Or a neo-capitalist plot either.
Goes way back in time, Camelot is about the only good story you hear about the past, I think.
Modified by lesley at Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 17:58:23
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Hi Lesley! Yeah I know what you are saying about nice premies and nice Trump supporters, and nice ‘Woke progressives’ too for that matter. Most people are, most of the time, well intentioned, but we know where that paved road can lead. A lot of you here think Trump is the road to hell, but I didn’t see hell appearing in the 4 yrs he was POTUS. I’ve seen hell lurking in the words of the neo-Marxists. There are hundreds, thousand, of examples of their academic papers I could have picked - here is just one. Note they wish to dismantle ‘heteronormative white colonial patriarchal capitalist’ society. That is the West. Of course you may say that is ‘only’ academia, but the students they teach become the next generation of teachers, politicians, journalists, policy makers. That is where we are at now. Maybe you don’t like living in a Western capitalist democracy, but I do.
Modified by Moley at Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 05:03:09
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After watching the New Culture Forum lecture you posted which referenced Orwell and Lifton on language and mind control, then seeing all this woke Queer gobbledygook, in the context of this forum in the shadow of the Rawat one, I can’t help but think of satsang. The stuff sounds like satsang. They just get that buzz sharing meaningless jargon phraseology with each other.
Fucking weird is what it is, really.
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Yes and you find the jargon in its pure form when you talk to the activist types who became thoroughly indoctrinated at university. One of my nieces springs to mind. It isn’t possible to have a conversation with her without her bringing up ‘the patriarchy, white privilege’ or ‘queering’ or being told ‘the political is personal’ - that is a code for ‘Your character is flawed because you aren’t Woke like me.’ In most people the technical jargon may be absent, but the ideology has embedded itself comfortably in their thinking. No wonder - it is the very subtext of our public discourse right now. Diversity Equity and Inclusion - Satsang Service and Meditation. Both sound so good when you are in their Matrix
Modified by Moley at Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 14:39:09
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okay so point by point - I don't believe most people are well intentioned.
I do like living in a Western capitalist democracy, and have always liked it, the alternatives all look awful unless you are very rich.
I read something that said that there is a long lead time between lobbyist and law so that when Trump was in power there wasn't much of what he wanted to do ready to enact. But what about that storming of Capitol Hill? He didn't want to resign even when he lost the election. No alarm bells going off for you there?
okay so back to the main event, what an article. there it is in black and white, a rationale as to why mixed orientation marriages are required rather than hiding the fact of them and as expected zero attention paid to how the poor straight might be feeling, all from the non-straight persons point of view, what they want. No, it's a public institution, not for happiness, you have your children and you go outside it to keep yourself happy - it's so dishonest. It completely sidesteps how the straight is tricked into believing it is a romantic partnership and then left dangling, alone inside it.
So there it is, the bigger size closet, where you don't have to hide your non-straightness and you can still bag a straight.
It's already here.
Modified by lesley at Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 05:46:15
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Ok. Ditto point by point. I think most people are vaguely good intentioned but I take your point. For one thing, one person’s good intentions may be ill informed and even dangerous if acted on. I think we have a sizeable minority of narcissists and maybe 4% psychopaths and their intentions are purely self-serving.
Agree about Western capitalist democracy. What’s a good alternative? I don’t see one. Indigenous tribal living… maybe but now impossible. Socialism aka communism lite - no thanks, everyone starves!
I was watching the live broadcast from the Capitol. Suddenly the picture shifted to what looked like a bunch of tourists wandering in the roped walkways taking photos with their phones. I heard Trump say go and peacefully protest. I also heard he called for the National Guard before the event, but was refused. I don’t buy the media spin one bit. There’s a lot of political skullduggery going on! I don’t know exactly what you think Trump would have done if he’d got another term and done 8 years straight? I thought the Abraham Accords were a brilliant achievement and it is a shame Biden played them down because they were Trump’s because I think that emboldened Iran and Hamas to strike Israel on Oct 7th. There was no involvement in foreign wars under Trump - another good thing. Maybe you think domestically he is dangerous? I have no problem with a strong southern border because there is a lot of child sex trafficking going on there, for one thing. Trump only added one country to Obama’s list of banned entry for terrorist threat. Not so bad really. Then the blue collar workers - he obviously has their interests at heart - against the elites and the Swamp. All pretty much as oid UK Labour Party used to be when the Left cared about the poor instead of playing Identity Politics!
The main event… Did you glance at all the links on my post directly below .. Queering Botany, Queering Stem… etc It is a movement started by openly Maoist theorists - a very neat way to undermine ‘ heteronormative capitalist Western patriarchal bla bla’ societies in a move to install Communism. It’s all completely crazy of course, and particularly insidious because it hides behind language that sounds as if it is promoting equal rights and compassion for ‘marginalised’ groups.
Modified by Moley at Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 06:45:14
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I think we need to make a distinction between socially well intentioned and individually well intentioned in that I think we can rely on most people being socially well intentioned but on an individual level? How many people are really friendly and not just surface friendly? How many people actually feel better just by making someone else feel worse?
Re political skulduggery yes agreed. Lots of it going on. Each group has their own media truth. I can't really comment on most of what you said because as Jim points out I don't know enough, ie have never heard of the Abraham Accords, but I did see a tv interview with the VP not long after the event and it was clear he had been very frightened for his family during what was not a peaceful protest, unless you are claiming the footage of armed people storming the building is fake?
I became concerned about Trump quite some time before that. It was the second conspiracy theorist I chatted with that did it. Both naturally leftists, not so much politically as socially - vote for the greens, namaste my fellow yoga students, let's buy a crystal or three, build an organite, spend up, get that nice dress, it's the end of the world after all and then this support for Trump starts up, it seems incongruous to me. It is not in their natural bent. My initial theory was a troll wanting to see how far he can push things. But now I see it like they are one horse in a stable.
When you say he has at heart the interests of the blue collar workers, that he is against the elites (isn't he one?) and wants to drain the swamp I can't help but feel a bit surprised that you believe him. Don't they all say that? What he wants is to be president.
It seems to me that he is taking the stance that he is the best defence the West has against Russia, China and Communism in general. Me I just hope he is prepared to stand down at the end of his term should he get elected.
The main event cont...
Yes I had a look. The first one I tried was Queering Botany, I thought I might learn something fun and interesting about a bisexual flower, or something like that but no it was nothing like that. Back track out of there, the next one started with saying I have funding and inviting as many people as possible to submit papers on queer topics. I was still reeling from the article I did read in your previous post, and I couldn't take any more.
Having read stories of the wives married to transgenders there is a pattern that is eerily similar.
Not once have I read a story where the transgender husband shows any compassion or empathy for his wife or even acknowledgement of what she is going through, no it's all push push push for what they want, but she is usually very empathetic towards him.
I'm scared. I can't imagine where we'll be a generation or two from here.
Hard to walk over the fact that being born straight is lucky - you are attracted to the right sex for children, you are not at odds with yourself. Not fair is it.
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There was no footage of armed people storming the building. The only truly serious weapons were two pipe bombs outside the Republican and Democratic party offices and it's looking more and more like they were part of some kind of inside job, much like all the agent provocateurs and the way the Dems sabotaged the National Guard deployment in order to exacerbate the riot and blame Trump for it all.
The evidence on all these things is very compelling.
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Jaw jaw jaw not War war war. Always the best. That maybe why your natural leftists began to support Trump. I am guessing they saw what I saw - namely the Left’s assault on Free Speech. Here in the UK it is getting bad - more people arrested here last year for something they said on social media than were arrested in Russia. Some 3000 people. That included a girl in the city where I live who was arrested for posting her dead friend’s favourite song on FB in her grief - a rap song with the ‘n’ word in the lyrics. She was arrested, charged, and convicted. Someone was offended (a woke political activist no doubt) and no one cared about the girl’s motive.
Your friends probably saw how the Progressive activists hunt down and smear people and get them sacked from their jobs. They probably felt Trump was the last bastion against authoritarianism and neo-Marxist stasi-style state control and the erosion of our freedoms. Everyone who stands for the office of POTUS wants to be president surely? That can’t be an argument for or against their candidacy. The Abraham Accords were an attempt to bring peace to the Middle East. Of course you haven’t heard of them because they show Trump in a very good light so the media will be silent - much as they originally were over Hunter Biden’s laptop (except to actively try and discredit the story) in the run up to the election,
I think I’ll write about the trans issue in a separate post as this is getting long!
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I think the answer as to why my natural leftists began to support Trump is because the feed they are on is supportive of him.
Yes agreed, they all want to be president. That wasn't my point which was that they all say the same things. I remember when Bob Hawke got in here and he made his speech and I listened to it and when I was talking with my mother about it later I said it was nice that he said he would do his best for all Australians not just the ones that elected him and my mother replied - they all say that. She was right.
It does seem to me to be getting more and more scary, I agree. During the covid lockdown there was this thing about not coming within a certain distance of others, maybe a metre. or two metres. and I was walking down a forest path from the river and there was this little girl with a long stick and I mean she could barely walk with it, so I went round them and she tried to hit me with the stick. The mother smirked. It was appalling. So much of that stuff going on.
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