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I'm shocked to see some ex-premies who think he's great. Boy Islam has really done a number on Britain, it has! Churchill's appeaser and alligator analogy is right on the money. Amazing! I said it ten years ago and I'll say it again - unless you can snap out of it, something I see no sign of happening anytime soon, BRITAIN IS LOST! 






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Aren't you the fella that said Trump was going to be a great president for America? And you're still making predictions? Haha.






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I obviously don't agree with you about Trump or American politics generally or all sorts of things. But those are different subjects. Islam is destroying your country. You know that's true. You're going to have to hunker down further and further in this ongoing siege mentality and it's only going to get worse. Corbyn's surge in the polls is proof that young Brits don't care. Fancy that, eh? 

I'd post a relevant article but you wouldn't read it so I won't waste my time. I just felt like dropping in and saying that I was right. Sadly. In fact, it's happening faster than I'd imagined ten years ago. More denial, more appeasement, more paralysis, and a lot more blood. That's what you have to look forward to. The rate you're going anyway. I thought it would take decades but it's just hopping along. 








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You're always right Jim. What does your bouffanted buffoon have to do before you see what a mistake he is? At the moment his presidency is a farce, and that's probably the best we can hope for. It may well turn into tragedy.

Do stop it with the panic over Islam. The rest of us have noticed, but have a different take on it. I have a brother that lives at London bridge. Still does, but I had to check.

I think it is quite reasonable to align your credibility re your pronouncements about Islam with your judgement on Trump. Screwed.






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I'm not always right but I am about this.
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I like Trump, you don't, so how in the world can my opinion of him serve as a premise in an argument against my judgement? It can't. Stay on the subject. This could have been your brother. Then what? You're not protecting yourselves. You need to push back at Islam. First intellectually and then following what's necessary to defend honest expression on the subject. If it means blood in the streets, blood in the streets. The alternative will be worse. 

I just read an amazing book by Arthur Conan Doyle, written in 1897 about some tourists on the Nile who get captured by Muslim Dervishes. Here's a passage that's ominously prescient about Islam's inevitable challenge to Europe:

"The great red sun was down with half its disc slipped behind the violet bank upon the horizon. It was the hour of Arab prayer. An older and more learned civilisation would have turned to that magnificent thing upon the skyline and adored that. But these wild children of the desert were nobler in essentials than the polished Persian. To them the ideal was higher than the material, and it was with their backs to the sun and their faces to the central shrine of their religion that they prayed. And how they prayed, these fanatical Moslems! Wrapt, absorbed, with yearning eyes and shining faces, rising, stooping, grovelling with their foreheads upon their praying carpets. Who could doubt, as he watched their strenuous, heart-whole devotion, that here was a great living power in the world, reactionary but tremendous, countless millions all thinking as one from Cape Juby to the confines of China? Let a common wave pass over them, let a great soldier or organiser arise among them to use the grand material at his hand, and who shall say that this may not be the besom with which Providence may sweep the rotten, decadent, impossible, half-hearted south of Europe, as it did a thousand years ago, until it makes room for a sounder stock?"







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Your opinion of Trump informs us of the value of other opinions of yours. You'd stopped posting here for a while. I wondered if you were embarrassed by your support for the narcissistic nincompoop and were perhaps rethinking things. But no, nothing as useful as that.

Your call for blood on the streets is no better than anyone else's call for blood on the streets. But you're on the side of the good guys right? 






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My point by is that blood on the streets is already here and eventually it will get worse or, if not, the outcome will be even more dire. What happens when Britain is forced to try to pre-emptively inter some of those 23,000 jihadis it's aware of? 





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to pre-emptively inter is to bury alive.






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Cute little aphorism there but what do you actually think about Islam in Britain now? I'm sure you've got some thoughts on the subject. Of course you now have much less freedom to speak honestly about it than you did 15 years ago. Perhaps you have some thoughts about that too? Use 'em or lose 'em! 





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Cute little aphorism there but what do you actually think about Islam in Britain now? I'm sure you've got some thoughts on the subject. Of course you now have much less freedom to speak honestly about it than you did 15 years ago. Perhaps you have some thoughts about that too? Use 'em or lose 'em! 






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I could give you an excuse to reiterate your views Jim on Islam. That's what this is all about really, isn't it?

You've given your allegiance to a cause, that's clear. And what's also clear is that any challenge to that cause seems to make you stronger in your allegiance to it.

So thanks, but no thanks ...






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Such courage! 


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/07/uk-fears-of-racism-accusations-led-to-police-shelving-muslim-rape-gang-investigations








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Do you know a single person who's ever believed that Islam was a serious threat to Britain who's ever changed their mind? Lots of people who once thought there was nothing to worry about, that people like me were just raving lunatics or bigoted racists or what-have-you have come to see that they were wrong but no one ever goes the other way, do they? 

Funny that ....
 
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How about this situation, Chris? A tad Orwellian? Or maybe you feel uncomfortable discussing this now. I understand. 

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/07/sharia-uk-burger-vendor-taken-to-court-fined-for-hate-speech-for-criticizing-islam





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I don't think you can do it Jim, and I don't think you can deport them, I don't even think you can declare them mentally incompetent without putting legislation in place that erodes the whole notion of civil rights too much. 






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it was all the talk about being buried alive, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. NT
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It was just a typo, no doubt. Though the US does have form on that particular method of disposing of undesirables -

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/15/world/us-army-buried-iraqi-soldiers-alive-in-gulf-war.html





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fabulous.  it's 3am I am awake and reading about soldiers being buried alive by tanks.  That's one of the main things I remember from my teenage pre-K thoughts is asking myself what I was the most scared of and that's what came up - being buried alive.

I actually appreciated the commander's comments about it not being any worse than other ways soldiers die like bayonet in the guts.  

Really, I really do appreciate him saying that, it's a good point.  It's just about a mercy killing compared to that.








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nothing here, folks





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I guess so, eh? But then there's a lot you can't say, let alone laugh about anymore in Britain, isn't there? And the list of subjects just keeps on growing. Of course you'd never notice if you're careful to stay politically correct. Here's another question you won't answer: is your freedom of speech drastically diminishing year-by-year? And here's another: do non-Muslims in Britain have the same free speech rights as Muslims? (Hint -- the answer start's with "n".






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I don't know if it is the same in other Western countries but over here we have just about given up protesting the loss of citizen's rights to 'anti-terrorism' measures.

every time an Islamic act of terror occurs more and more get shovelled through and the younger generation have lost a lot of the expectations of citizenship we grew up with and don't realise what they're losing.





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I know, Leslie. I've seen so many horrible stories about Australia's bizarre politically correct acquiescence. It's the same here. Canada's nuts too. We all are. I really recommend Douglas Murray's "The Strange Death of Europe" which also has some good analysis of Australia's strange death too. 






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No Trump, but I would certainly describe you as a victim. Though the Sun is bad, the Daily mail is probably the worst paper on the planet. People chose Corbyn as they are sick and tired of Capitalism running wildly. If trying to bring in a little economic equality means terrorist loving then you are off. Part of the austerity was cutting security services which hasn't worked so well for May. Unsure where, besides something like the daily mail you get the anti-Semitism platform from. Perhaps you're mixing up Corbyn with Michele Le Pen? You Trump people sooo remind me of my PWK friends. They defend or overlook anything like, Jagdeo or private jets etc. It seems you traded one cult for another. To admittedly like a pathological liar doesn't give your viewpoints much credence.






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um, I am talking about our acquiescence to 'anti-terrorism' legislation which is rapidly eroding citizenship rights.  Tho yes, I agree we are politically correct about Islam to a fault as well.

It's not a good feeling, to watch Britain's struggles from the colonies - we all have such a history of reliance on the strength of Britain.  Canada is insulated by a lot of ice and snow but Australia is wide open to Asian invasion.

I feel very cynical about it all tho Jim - the way I view it, in Victorian times England was so wealthy it was overflowing and it probably only took a few individuals to just about put an end to extreme poverty in the whole country and then it probably only took even less individuals to go the other way and exchange the welfare of the general population for the plumpness of their own pockets.    







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Lesley, I don't know. I don't see how this could ever have a happy ending. Did you read that excerpt from the Arthur Conan Doyle book above? Even then astute minds noticed how, as barbaric and nasty as Islam is, it has a strength of confidence and spirit we've all but totally lost. It's a toss-up who hates our culture and heritage more - Muslims who hate us as infidels or the left. 

Here's another excerpt. This is the part where the captives are given the option to convert or die:


The Emirs had intended to halt for a half-hour at the most, but the baggage-camels which bore the prisoners were so worn out with the long, rapid march, that it was clearly impossible that they should move for some time. They had laid their long necks upon the ground, which is the last symptom of fatigue. The two chiefs shook their heads when they inspected them, and the terrible old man looked with his hard-lined, rock features at the captives. Then he said something to Mansoor, whose face turned a shade more sallow as he listened.
“The Emir Abderrahman says that if you do not become Moslem, it is not worth while delaying the whole caravan in order to carry you upon the baggage-camels. If it were not for you, he says that we could travel twice as fast. He wishes to know therefore, once for ever, if you will accept the Koran.” Then in the same tone, as if he were still translating, he continued: “You had far better consent, for if you do not he will most certainly put you all to death.”
The unhappy prisoners looked at each other in despair. The two Emirs stood gravely watching them.
“For my part,” said Cochrane, “I had as soon die now as be a slave in Khartoum!”
“What do you say, Norah?” asked Belmont.
“If we die together, John, I don’t think I shall be afraid.”
“It is absurd that I should die for that in which I have never had belief,” said Fardet. “And yet it is not possible for the honour of a Frenchman that he should be converted in this fashion.” He drew himself up, with his wounded wrist stuck into the front of his jacket, “Je suis Chrétien. J’y reste,” he cried, a gallant falsehood in each sentence.
“What do you say, Mr. Stephens?” asked Mansoor, in a beseeching voice. “If one of you would change, it might place them in a good humour. I implore you that you do what they ask.”
“No, I can’t,” said the lawyer, quietly.
“Well then, you, Miss Sadie? You, Miss Adams? It is only just to say it once, and you will be saved.”
“Oh, Auntie, do you think we might?” whimpered the frightened girl. “Would it be so very wrong if we said it?”
The old lady threw her arms round her.
“No, no, my own dear little Sadie,” she whispered. “You’ll be strong! You would just hate yourself for ever after. Keep your grip of me, dear, and pray if you find your strength is leaving you. Don’t forget that your old aunt Eliza has you all the time by the hand.”
For an instant they were heroic, this line of dishevelled, bedraggled pleasure-seekers. They were all looking Death in the face, and the closer they looked the less they feared him. They were conscious rather of a feeling of curiosity, together with the nervous tingling with which one approaches a dentist’s chair. The dragoman made a motion of his hands and shoulders, as one who has tried and failed. The Emir Abderrahman said something to a negro, who hurried away.

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I won't tell you what happens but the bravery they ultimately show is quite something. Today, the left is as inclined to side with our enemies instead. 

And here's a short Tucker Carlson interview with Douglas Murray after the recent Muslim attacks in Britain. I'm almost finished his book. Again, highly recommend it. It's really a fight to get the truth out, isn't it? Canada may soon be the first non-sharia state in history to outlaw criticism of Islam. So it's not like things are peachy here either. 










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Lesley, I don't know. I don't see how this could ever have a happy ending. Did you read that excerpt from the Arthur Conan Doyle book above? Even then astute minds noticed how, as barbaric and nasty as Islam is, it has a strength of confidence and spirit we've all but totally lost. It's a toss-up who hates our culture and heritage more - Muslims who hate us as infidels or the left. 

Here's another excerpt. This is the part where the captives are given the option to convert or die:


The Emirs had intended to halt for a half-hour at the most, but the baggage-camels which bore the prisoners were so worn out with the long, rapid march, that it was clearly impossible that they should move for some time. They had laid their long necks upon the ground, which is the last symptom of fatigue. The two chiefs shook their heads when they inspected them, and the terrible old man looked with his hard-lined, rock features at the captives. Then he said something to Mansoor, whose face turned a shade more sallow as he listened.
“The Emir Abderrahman says that if you do not become Moslem, it is not worth while delaying the whole caravan in order to carry you upon the baggage-camels. If it were not for you, he says that we could travel twice as fast. He wishes to know therefore, once for ever, if you will accept the Koran.” Then in the same tone, as if he were still translating, he continued: “You had far better consent, for if you do not he will most certainly put you all to death.”
The unhappy prisoners looked at each other in despair. The two Emirs stood gravely watching them.
“For my part,” said Cochrane, “I had as soon die now as be a slave in Khartoum!”
“What do you say, Norah?” asked Belmont.
“If we die together, John, I don’t think I shall be afraid.”
“It is absurd that I should die for that in which I have never had belief,” said Fardet. “And yet it is not possible for the honour of a Frenchman that he should be converted in this fashion.” He drew himself up, with his wounded wrist stuck into the front of his jacket, “Je suis Chrétien. J’y reste,” he cried, a gallant falsehood in each sentence.
“What do you say, Mr. Stephens?” asked Mansoor, in a beseeching voice. “If one of you would change, it might place them in a good humour. I implore you that you do what they ask.”
“No, I can’t,” said the lawyer, quietly.
“Well then, you, Miss Sadie? You, Miss Adams? It is only just to say it once, and you will be saved.”
“Oh, Auntie, do you think we might?” whimpered the frightened girl. “Would it be so very wrong if we said it?”
The old lady threw her arms round her.
“No, no, my own dear little Sadie,” she whispered. “You’ll be strong! You would just hate yourself for ever after. Keep your grip of me, dear, and pray if you find your strength is leaving you. Don’t forget that your old aunt Eliza has you all the time by the hand.”
For an instant they were heroic, this line of dishevelled, bedraggled pleasure-seekers. They were all looking Death in the face, and the closer they looked the less they feared him. They were conscious rather of a feeling of curiosity, together with the nervous tingling with which one approaches a dentist’s chair. The dragoman made a motion of his hands and shoulders, as one who has tried and failed. The Emir Abderrahman said something to a negro, who hurried away.

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I won't tell you what happens but the bravery they ultimately show is quite something. Today, the left is as inclined to side with our enemies instead. 

And here's a short Tucker Carlson interview with Douglas Murray after the recent Muslim attacks in Britain. I'm almost finished his book. Again, highly recommend it. It's really a fight to get the truth out, isn't it? Canada may soon be the first non-sharia state in history to outlaw criticism of Islam. So it's not like things are peachy here either. 


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RfcFvVfny28






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there is this sense, that I know a lot of people have, of the inevitability of a happy ending.  but it seems to fly in the face of all evidence to the contrary doesn't it.

the only thing I know of, that acts as a safety net for me, is to want the truth of the matter, and to be willing to accept it as it comes.

but really, it can be so scary it's often better contemplated while curled up under the bed covers.  I am resting a lot these days and feeling the better for it.






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Lesley, there won't be any happy endings to this one. I do recommend the Murray book for you under the covers. You'll learn lots and thereby, to some extent, get a little closer to the truth of the matter. 






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yeah, I really can't see any happy endings either.  I think maybe it's an individual thing - a happy ending is possible for an individual, due to endorphins and maybe we have this sense for it.

Have always been a keen reader and still think back to my favourite books but some years ago I stopped and can't get it back I've tried potboilers and newly listed for the Booker prize ones and old favourites - I've got a copy of Solomon Gursky was Here by Mordecai Richler which you probably know because it is about Canada and I read it in my 30's and could not stop laughing it was so interesting and humorous - I had wanted to reread it for ages and here it is I've read 2 chapters and that's it.  There's a good joke to be had in this because here I am writing a novel myself but there you are - it's a distant memory when I'd be looking forward to when I could get back to a book - the last book I really enjoyed was The Book Thief by Marcus Zusak.

I hardly ever watch a movie either - dunno why, I think maybe I've been given so many cock and bull stories in real life I'm a bit ptsd over the suspension of disbelief bit that is needed to immerse in the story telling, be it fiction or non-fiction.

anyway I enjoyed reading those excerpts you typed in, I do enjoy a bit of Conan-Doyle, this is the style of prose I grew up on.  

As far as I can tell everything we feared would happen in the 50's has happened.  Nuclear reactors, poisons and methods of warfare have proliferated and so has the population - 2 billion to 7 billion.  

And I hate to say this but don't you think we are as a species in a degenerative state?   no clean broom sweep is going to fix that, Hitler gave it a good go, and all we saw happening in that was the best and the brightest die first.

Okay so I have just signed myself up for next month's writing camp.     I feel this is an act of bravery and foolhardiness and yet necessary for my own happiness and peace of mind. 






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Jim, based on your answers to 13, I assume you still like/support Trump. I would just like to ask you why. This isn't a trick question, I am just curious. Of course there is lots to criticize him for and that isn't my intention here, but wondering how despite his many obvious faults you support him.








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Dan, I support him because I generally support his agenda. One thing I never imagined though, I'm not sure who did, was the extent of the relentless, malicious establishment attack on him once elected. You speak of his "many obvious faults" but it seems like the main thing liberals have against him is that he's president. 

Here's a good article I read this morning about the Mueller mandate, such as it is. I find it astonishing that this is happening. Democrats are more than happy to bog the government down for years with this chimera. That, to me, is what's obvious. 




Related link: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/06/muellers_real_mandate.html

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Well you are kind of changing the subject.
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There are plenty of people who are not liberals and are not happy with his performance as president by the way. But again, I don't want to have a debate with you about it. It really is a straight question. 

So what is the agenda that you support? I can guess it is his stance on Islam. But what is that actually beyond the Muslim travel ban?

And are there other aspects of his ideas that you also like? Please don't give me links. Obviously you can decide to answer the questions or not, but I am really only interested in your opinion as an educated Trump supporter.

And again, I have no underlying intention here. Just interested in your honest opinion.






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You don't want a debate just a straight answer?
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06/19/2017, 14:25:35
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Please explain what's in it for me.






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Re: You don't want a debate just a straight answer?
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06/19/2017, 14:44:19
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Does something have to be in it for you? And why does a debate offer you that? As you must know by now, none of our debates have accomplished anything.

By answering the question, you might help me to understand the appeal of Trump. But if that means it is a waste of your time then please don't answer.

But let me flesh out the reason behind my question a bit. There are people who voted for Trump, not because they liked him but because they considered him the better of two bad choices. Then there are those who enthusiastically supported him and continue to do so. I understand that you belong to the second category.  

I honestly don't understand that and would like to. Most (but not all) of the Trump supporters I have heard are not very articulate in explaining their support. So I wanted to ask you since you are usually a good communicator.






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Oh ...... I ... don't .... think .... so
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06/19/2017, 16:39:45
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"So I wanted to ask you since you are usually a good communicator."


I have to laugh when I consider how virtually every time I've tried to have a discussion with you you've hectored me for being anything but. Trump is no panacea. He might not even be a band-aid. But Obama was poison and Hillary would have been as well. And that's all I'll say because, you know, there's nothing in it for me.






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But here's a question for you
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How does it feel to live in a country where the police will swoop in and arrest you for saying something not quite politically correct?

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/06/21/german-authorities-raid-homes-of-36-for-social-media-hate-speech/

(He asks as a citizen of a country that's just passed a law forcing people to use whatever silly gender pronouns people demand and which has also just passed a motion condemning the shibboleth of "Islamophobia"

Or to live in a country with a leading paper that mocks and attacks Muslims who march against Islamic terrorism?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/21/german-editor-calls-anti-terror-muslim-protesters-uncle-toms/

I will answer your question because I'm asking you some too. I like Trump because he won the election fair and square and I choose to overlook his personal failings such as I think I know them and instead focus on his strengths, again as I know them and hope them to be. The left is becoming increasingly violent and tyrannical and Trump is trying to push back against that force. We could go on but you don't want a debate so ...




Related link: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/06/21/german-authorities-raid-homes-of-36-for-social-media-hate-speech/

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the anti-trumpistas
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06/23/2017, 19:53:13
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Hi Jim,

I hope all is well with y'all over on the Pacific coast.

I can't drum up much enthusiasm for writing on this board anymore. Maybe it's me getting old, fat & lazy..........but nooo, I've been that way for a good few years now, it's  more the lack of freethinkers is the thing. It's groundhog day & I just can't be bothered with it yet again.

Back when Margaret Thatcher was PM in the UK, I never really liked the woman, but the incessant yowlings that went on for years about her, from people of a leftward slant, became really old & boring.

They still won't give her any credit for anything, though she did partially drain a particularly British swamp & at the same time was quick witted enough to understand how esoteric technology would change the worldwide financial system, amend the regulations accordingly, & thus ensure that 15% of the entire tax take of the country would continue to fill the coffers.

But who cares about any of that shit, schools & hospitals get built jus because we say so, don't they.

The same thing is happening with the Donald. The vituperation is neverending, obsessive, increasingly over the top, yet he too was elected by a majority, as you say. That's our system of government & until a better one is devised then that's what we've got. Those who insist that the losers should've won because they have the moral high ground, & who refuse to accept the outcome, are of the mentality of Salem. Now they're trying to stitch him up on spurious charges of collusion with Satan Russia.  

The swamp that he got elected to drain is deep & wide & I don't think he knows how to do it, which is a major problem. Regardless of whatever he manages to achieve, those who know what's best for everybody else will never cease to condemn him.

Boring.








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Re: the anti-trumpistas
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06/24/2017, 19:35:54
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I guess so Pat. You probably live with different people than me if you think giving billionaires more money and cutting health care/food for people is good. Fuck Islam, I hate all religions. Sometimes it is wise to look at all positions on all issues. I'm not that selfish, otherwise, I'd be totally game to kill off everyone but white people over 52... Really gentlemen? you own private prison stock? where potheads in Alabama work for a nickel an hour? Oh yeah I forgot. They are hungry. Hell I would be too if I had(chose) to wait until sunset each night to eat. Not all poor people are what? undesirable? 






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You probably live with different people than me if you think giving
billionaires more money and cutting health care/food for people is good.


I don't think that at all. How this has happened is to do with the debasement of the currency; check out how Rome fell.

Fuck Islam, I hate all religions.

Now that we're in the age when anyone so inclined can pick & choose, Islam stands out as the intolerant one. I don't have a beef with the others.

I'd be totally game to kill off everyone but white people over 52.

I don't want to kill anyone off, & think that depriving subsistence farmers in Africa access to cheap electricity in the name of saving the planet from global warming climate change is a crime against humanity.

you own private prison stock

I'm against the monetizing of what should be communal obligations.

Not all poor people are what? undesirable?

'Deplorable' was the word used & then voted down, & not by the Russians, shitheads though they may be if you live in Latvia, but as you don't.....








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Thanks for your response.Interestingly, we (Canada are building a permanent base in Latvia. I chat with people in the states on a different group, and one who really touched me was a lady nailed by a drunk driver who is trying go fund me for mri's and anti-seizure meds while she awaits a hopeful settlement. I'm also frustrated that I can't help her. I agree with Islam being the worst one, but only see voting in a Trump type as a worse idea. In the US, this year there have been 160 mass shootings(4 or more) and 7000 gun deaths already this year, not many being muslims. With a party in power out to enrich themselves more at the expense of the majority, I only see this going up. Corporations are simply out of control. I advocate for not creating refugees in the first place, and though we took in 40,000 so far, some in my building, should we now take in that many Yemeni's? Canada is the 2nd largest arms seller to the middle east, mainly to everyone's good friends the Saudi's, who bomb Yemen and a child dies every 20 minutes, often due to treatable illnesses like diarrhea.






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06/25/2017, 13:53:36
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Hi Pat, 

Nice to hear from you and you're not that fat and old. A little. Anyway, it's hot as hell here which is a radical change from what was a relatively long, cold winter and spring. 

I agree with everything you say including your opinion of Thatcher and how it was shaped by the nasty liberal cant against her. It is similar to what's happening with Trump. The media has totally destroyed itself here over him. What? Is he like Shiva or something?

Two things in particular. First, have you read much about the Seth Rich murder and the various speculations that he was a Wikileaks source and that's why he was killed? It's hard to imagine, isn't it? But what with Julian Assange's comment after his death, Kim Dotcom's claim and now the George Washington University Profiling Project's analysis, to me it seems the most likely theory. 

Imagine that. And now Trump's turning the tables on this absurd witch hunt too as the Dems only response seems to be pining for his assassination. This is all fun, riveting stuff. John Podesta may still rue the day that he coughed up the Russian excuse for Clinton's loss. Likewise, Comey, whose reputation seems poised for a tumble. Loving it!

Meanwhile, in general terms and without putting too fine a point on it, the left continues to facilitate the death of western civilization. Thank you all my lefty friends in the world. Big air kiss. Mwah! Free speech isn't just dying, it's dying like some obscure aboriginal language that's only spoken by 25 remaining members and none of them are on campus, that's for sure. 

Canada is getting as crazy as Europe and Britain now on Islam though. Our dhimwit prime minister can't get past the Orwellian slogan "Diversity is Strength" and has no better response to a Muslim from Montreal going down to Flint, Michigan to stab a cop in the neck. If that wasn't enough of an attack, relax, there's more to come. That's for sure. 

But, here, Pat, for you particularly is an excellent dialogue between Mark Steyn and Douglas Murray about the latter's recent book "The Strange Death of Europe" which I'd love to make compulsory reading for ... someone, I don't know who. Someone

Here's the article on Steyn's site:

https://www.steynonline.com/7939/a-continent-in-existential-crisis

The video's linked within. 

So let's see. There's the Profiling article below. The Steyn Murray link. And, oh yeah, check this out:

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/sweden-on-the-brink-of-civil-war-national-police-chief-help-us-help-us

Two of the wonderful sections in Murray's book cover Jean Raspail ("Camp of the Saints" and Michel Houllebecq ("Submission". That article seems like it's ripped from the pages of either. 






Related link: http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/seth-rich-profiling-project-report-full-murder-hit-read/

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enjoyed the vid...thanks (nt)
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I didn't think I was a going to get the time to write anything, but whaddya know. Daddy's taxi service has been cancelled at the last moment. No longer required.....I'm distraught.

Seth Rich ....I've heard the name, but I'll leave you to do the heavy lifting on the detail. I gave up on that aspect of the American dream after 15 yrs of speculation about the grassy knoll, & why did Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald.

Tremendous interview with Douglas Murray. That's what the best tv was like a generation or so back; an intelligent conversation which anyone so inclined could listen into, & if you preferred braindead crap, you didn't have to. Now it's all braindead crap, & if you don't like it you're an elitist.

Interesting what he had to say about the European converts to Islam wanting a total explanation of life after years of dissolute living.  Though he's too young to know firsthand how some of the LSD generation got into cults, there's a connection to be made there too, I think.

I was intrigued to hear him say that Ratzinger had disarmed the left wing firebrand Orianna Fallaci, who became a campaigner against the Islamicisation of Europe, by telling her that it wasn't necessary to believe in God (Christian version presumably) just to live as if He existed.

This as if aspect is something I believe is explored in a book written 10 yrs ago, which has just come to my attention titled 'The Evolution of God' & which I've ordered from Amazon. I'll read it in conjunction with Murray's book which I'm also going to order.

His 'Great Man' view of history is something I share, but reliance on that to get us out of the present predicament...I don't know, I really don't. Enoch Powell got shot down in flames although he was on course to become the best Prime Minister we never had. He was the man, who, as Minister of Health, closed down all the One Flew Over the Cuckoo Nest type institutions in England, a decade or more before that film got people talking.

All forgotten as it doesn't fit with the ongoing lies narrative.

Ratzinger didn't want to be seen by posterity as the man who sparked off a religious war, though he did try to do something. The John Chrisostom (sp) lecture incident was as far as he was prepared to go.  I don't blame him for bottling out, as that system is designed to choose someone who doesn't really want the job, to have no option but to take it.

Victor Orban as an interim choice, maybe ?








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Hi Pat, 

Nice to hear from you and you're not that fat and old. A little. Anyway, it's hot as hell here which is a radical change from what was a relatively long, cold winter and spring. 

I agree with everything you say including your opinion of Thatcher and how it was shaped by the nasty liberal cant against her. It is similar to what's happening with Trump. The media has totally destroyed itself here over him. What? Is he like Shiva or something?

Two things in particular. First, have you read much about the Seth Rich murder and the various speculations that he was a Wikileaks source and that's why he was killed? It's hard to imagine, isn't it? But what with Julian Assange's comment after his death, Kim Dotcom's claim and now the George Washington University Profiling Project's analysis, to me it seems the most likely theory. 

Imagine that. And now Trump's turning the tables on this absurd witch hunt too as the Dems only response seems to be pining for his assassination. This is all fun, riveting stuff. John Podesta may still rue the day that he coughed up the Russian excuse for Clinton's loss. Likewise, Comey, whose reputation seems poised for a tumble. Loving it!

Meanwhile, in general terms and without putting too fine a point on it, the left continues to facilitate the death of western civilization. Thank you all my lefty friends in the world. Big air kiss. Mwah! Free speech isn't just dying, it's dying like some obscure aboriginal language that's only spoken by 25 remaining members and none of them are on campus, that's for sure. 

Canada is getting as crazy as Europe and Britain now on Islam though. Our dhimwit prime minister can't get past the Orwellian slogan "Diversity is Strength" and has no better response to a Muslim from Montreal going down to Flint, Michigan to stab a cop in the neck. If that wasn't enough of an attack, relax, there's more to come. That's for sure. 

But, here, Pat, for you particularly is an excellent dialogue between Mark Steyn and Douglas Murray about the latter's recent book "The Strange Death of Europe" which I'd love to make compulsory reading for ... someone, I don't know who. Someone

Here's the article on Steyn's site:

https://www.steynonline.com/7939/a-continent-in-existential-crisis

The video's linked within. 

So let's see. There's the Profiling article below. The Steyn Murray link. And, oh yeah, check this out:

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/sweden-on-the-brink-of-civil-war-national-police-chief-help-us-help-us

Two of the wonderful sections in Murray's book cover Jean Raspail ("Camp of the Saints" and Michel Houllebecq ("Submission". That article seems like it's ripped from the pages of either. 







Related link: http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/seth-rich-profiling-project-report-full-murder-hit-read/
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Re: But here's a question for you
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As I already mentioned, I don't want to answer questions that require me to read an article you link to. And more generally, I don't see the point in this kind of question. I read the article. Either we bond in morale indignation or if I don't respond the way you think I should you castigate me for being a stupid liberal. What is the point to that?

Getting to your answer to my question, I have to say it isn't much of an answer. First of all, to say you like Trump because he won the election fair and square ..., well Obama also won two elections fair and square and that didn't stop you from showing your hate for him on this forum for the entire 8 years.

But more relevant, to say you like him because you overlook his personal failings and focus on his strengths ... one would say that about anyone they like, any friend or public figure one admires. It says nothing. What makes it interesting is to talk about what those strengths are.

My wife of 24 years and I did just that a few weeks ago. We each told the other one what we liked about each other after all of these years.

So again, my question is, I guess to be more specific, what are those strengths or positive attributes you see in Trump that makes you like him. I mean answer it or not, it is your choice, but if you are going to answer it, then answer it.

And again, for the record, I WILL NOT use your answer to castigate you for anything. I really am genuinely interested. If you like, I can in turn explain why I am asking it. I basically did already, but the deeper reason is because I can't see a good reason to enthusiastically support him and I can talk about that in more detail if you like. I am certainly not questioning his validity as president.






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I like him because unlike Obama, he's a pretty straight-forward guy, wears his heart on his sleeve, trusts common-sense and tries to look for and follow it in both himself and others rather than ideology. He genuinely loves America and isn't trying to use the power of his office to transform it. His instincts are generally fair and I trust him to try to rebuild some of the horrific damage Obama caused in weakening America to further his Marxist agenda. He's kind of a simple guy. Doesn't read books. I try to do that at least. But he's right to scoff at the politically correct tropes of the moment and, as I've hated the MSM for some time now, I love his squaring off against them. As I said to Pat, I can't wait for the witch hunt to explode in the face of the Dems. And, when it does, we'll be able to look back at the various ways Trump, perhaps even unwittingly, teased it out. For instance, it might seem like a very self-defeating move on his part to have played into Comey's scheme to get a special counsel assigned. Maybe it was. But I think that when this plays out the scandal will all fall at the feet of the Dems. Serious stuff. And that, in that case, Trump will get the extra leverage he needs to really drain the swamp. 

Are you following the American political scene closely? What do you think of the Seth Rich murder that now a liberal university's graduate student profiling project has opined was not a robbery gone awry? Why didn't the DNC allow the FBI to examine their servers that they claimed were hacked? Why does Wasserman-Schultz deny they aksed when Jeh Johnson testifed under oath that they did? What do you think of the latest on Lynch? Is that not REAL obstruction of justice and, if it is, do you think that it didn't start at the top?

I care about those issues far more than whether or not I or you or anyone likes Trump. But then that's just me. Funny that you won't read any article I ask you to as if they're dirty or something. Respect. 






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Re: But here's a question for you
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You crazy right wing ... no just kidding. Thanks so much for answering. It probably seems silly to you, but I really haven't been able to get an answer out of people other than "he is authentic." Obviously I see things differently or I wouldn't need to ask the question.

I did read a bit about the Seth Rich murder, but thought it was a dead story now. I guess I am not the news vacuum cleaner that you are. Right now I am reading a book on neurobiology and another one on statistics. Different interests.

By the way, it isn't that I won't read an article that you link to. I have read many, as you surely must know. I just don't at this point want to have that as a basis for discussion. For me that crosses the line into my participation here being work rather than goofing off from work, which it starts out as.






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Referendum on Trump
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A House of Reps special election tomorrow in the 6th District of Georgia.  Trump only carried this mostly educated district by 1% last year.  Dems in particular have spent tons of money on this.  GOPer person just ran an ad insinuating that a vote for her opponent would cause more liberal violence like last weeks violence on GOPers playing baseball.

The never ending war between libtards and trumpanzees continues.








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