okay well I couldn't view it on jihadwatch without clicking on a subscribe pop-up so I went to google. there were 4 news sites with the story. One was jihadwatch, the other was called Shoebat and was for Christians, then there was a site run by a soldier and the other was some I dunno what. It was the worst. But it did agree with Shoebat that it was just husband and wife. In the other two there was a daughter, and then daughters in the plural involved as well.
No mainstream media with the story came up on Google so I went searching the ABC no they haven't covered the story at all. And yet I would have thought it would have been on all the news channels here, that's a big news item.
So now I'm not even sure if the story is true but I am certainly prepared to believe it could have happened.
I am grateful to have been born in England.
I am also prepared to believe tho, that there are some muslims who make good husbands - I'm prepared to believe that of all humanity.
If you read closely you'll see that this incident happened a year ago & the reason it's being reported now is as a result of some kind of facebook argument which escalated. Presumably the guy didn't report it at the time, he just dealt with it, so it wouldn't have become a story that was taken up by news channels. Later on he posted it as an anecdote to make a point, & someone objected in the way of making an opposite point, & now that has become the story.
The laziness of the media is the thing. This story can only have been unearthed by 'journalists' trawling social media; sitting at a computer all day instead of going out onto the streets to find out what's happening. That's all gone, too expensive, but they insist that they're on top of, & can interpret for less sophisticated folks (us), all the complexities of the modern world. This is dangerous bullshit.
All the same I have no problem at all in believing that the original confrontation happened, more or less in the way described.
There's an old saying about how a lie can travel half way round the world before the truth's even got its boots on. Looks like the forthcoming German election in September is likely to be a target for the pedlars (and purchasers) of 'false news'. Troubling times.
Jihad Watch doesn't just rely upon Breitbart for this story. We already know from incidents like the Cologne mass sex assaults last year that the police, government and media lied to coverup Muslim aggression and violence in Germany. If I was a betting man, my money's on Breitbart etc.
Evidence is not Right wing conspiracy sites(Infowars) or Neo- Nazi, birther news pages. If these are your sources then no wonder you have trouble accepting that anybody who kills a few strangers, MUST have picked up a Koran, or wandered into the wrong mosque. I guess the guy who shot up that kids camp in Norway was a Muslim too. Your sources also say Sandy hook Elementary and Tim McVeigh were government plots to gain support to take away citizens automatic weapons. Isn't it possible that some do mass killings w/o Allah? Ever heard of plain old mental Illness? I would include nuts who kill for books from the dark age as mentally ill too, but mass murder of strangers is not solely exclusive to Islam. There are loads of mentally Ill running around from the recent wars, there was even one the other day who wiped out his family in the maritimes.
I don't think msm is very good at all, but the stuff you use is worse. You asked the question, Why don't they explain that that Puerto Rican Iraqi war vet switched to Islam recently? I said if it were true that would be a much easier scapegoat then highlighting the vast, untreated PTSD out there. Ok if I'm wrong, Why would they not cover it? And if thinking that environmental damage is a much bigger threat than the tiny % of Muslims that do violence, then perhaps you are saner than me.
Here's Breitbart fighting back. It seems pretty clear to me that they're at least trying to be honest and accurate unlike liberal media like the Guardian which is committed to suppressing the truth on these matters:
Well his unfavorability seems to to be prevalent in the talent dept. for Fridays inauguration parties. Toby Keith and the Mormon Tabernacle choir, how exciting.
It shows the bad favorability is with all walks of life. You would think more top-notch entertainers would be on board, as they stand to gain the most with his promised tax cuts for the wealthy,and have plenty of health care.
It shows the massive unpopularity of Trump. This backs up the 34 % approval rating.There will be way more people at protests there than Toby Keith. Something like 23% of eligible voters elected him.
The polls were way off on a state by state count, but not too far on the popular vote. It seems possible that so many of the sample group were Democrats, but of course didn't vote. It reminds of the dispute with so called "intelligence" He makes a good point on the missing WMD's. My comparison is that if he were more popular, wouldn't a few more big names perform as they do for other new presidents?
Are you worried about hitting "x" on the subscription box to get rid of it? Why? You're not following a link anywhere but rather skipping an ad, so to speak. You can read the article with nothing to worry about.
So sure the actual incident itself happened a year ago. Would that affect immediacy too? It's not like it's ancient history or there's any reason to think the toxic social factors that lead to this happening are somehow ameliorated. You know, like yeah, that was during that rocky pre-assimilation period for some of these poor kids in transition. They're not that way anymore.
And Pat, I'm not sure what your criticism of the DM is on this. One realm of the news today is this strata of social media interaction. That's the story. How else can it see daylight?
yes, I don't like clicking on the 'x' - I don't like clicking on 'unsubscribe' either.
they should say in the article it happened a year ago, it's wrong to present it as news now. Was it not reported on at all a year ago? If it is only coming to light now then they should say that and I am left to wonder why it hasn't been taken up by the mainstream media.
having said that, I still have no problem believing it happened.
my thoughts about the incident are nothing like you portray - they immediately diverge from your preoccupations into mine. and I think about marital dynamics more than Islam.
Perhaps if you weren't so precious and actually read the article you'd see that the fact that the actual attack was a year ago is right there in the beginning of the linked article. There's no deception at all. Fake news my ass!
Mr Tyrrell claimed the Muslim man took offence to being told what to do by a woman and unleashed a tirade of abuse at her, but the fact that she ignored him only enraged him even more .At that point five more joined the fight, one punching my wife ' One of the Muslims said to Liana Tyrrell: Your husband needs to teach you a lesson.
This is the clash of civilizations in a nutshell. Is Australia really enriched by admitting large numbers of people who believe that women who tell men in any circumstances what to do should be rewarded with violence, and their husbands should teach them a lesson? How? And this is no isolated case: since these attitudes are founded on the Quran, which tells men to beat women from whom they fear disobedience (4:34), there will be many more such cases.
Iraq war veteran who fought off EIGHT Muslim men after they attacked his wife, called her a white s**t and punched her in the face says he would do it all again in a heartbeat,' by John Carney, Daily Mail Australia, January 2, 2017 (thanks to Kenneth):
A retired Iraq war veteran who fought off eight Muslim men after they attacked his wife has tried to put the record straight on what exactly happened that day.
Kyle Tyrrell, 48, had an altercation with fishermen on Victorias Surf Coast a year ago while standing up for his wife Liana.
Mr Tyrrell claimed that Liana was punched in the face at the Cosy Corner beach, in Torquay, after one of the men put a crab pot in the water and she told him the area was a marine sanctuary and fishing was banned.
In the fight that took place on Sunday, January 24, 2016, Mr Tyrrell suffered minor injuries, while at least one of the fishermen was taken to hospital. No charges were laid.
The retired lieutenant-colonel claimed that the attack was racially and culturally motivated after his wife was called a white sl** and a white w***e by the men.
However criticism that he has received about the incident on Facebook persuaded him to set the record straight on the incident. He confirmed that the men were Muslim and said he would do it again in a heartbeat.
His response was published on the Stand Up For Australia Melbourne Facebook page, where he argued he had no other option but to fight.
Mr Tyrrell claimed the Muslim man took offence to being told what to do by a woman and unleashed a tirade of abuse at her, but the fact that she ignored him only enraged him even more.
His mates got close to me and then he made a run for my wife, thats when I ran at him, he threw a punch which I ducked and the fight started. At no time could either my wife, daughter or I safely walk away, Mr Tyrrell wrote.
At that point five more joined the fight, one punching my wife as she attempted to get our daughter up the beach.
At one stage one of the men said to Mr [sic] Terrell: Your husband needs to teach you a lesson.
I would do the same thing again in a heartbeat, in fact I would do the same thing for any woman I saw in that situation not just my wife, he concluded the Facebook post .
it gets frustrating. Why post that article if you don't want to discuss it? what for? to educate me? as if I don't know people do things like that.
yes it was a yucky article. I'm used to watching the ABC national or SBS world news. And I've been saddened by the decline in the quality of journalism you see there, let alone that sort of article which is what it is - basically a sensationalised opinion piece for which we must all be used to having a grain of salt.
Still, I read it, I said very clearly that I was quite prepared to believe it had happened and even if it hadn't I believe things like that do happen and I said what I thought and all you can do is act offended that I don't instantly believe it verbatim which would be impossible anyway with the disappearing daughters.
and gyp me for not wanting to click on a subscribe box.
I said the article is a sensationalised opinion piece. Opinion is the operative word here. Now see if you can make sense of what I said.
Why is it a sensationalised opinion piece? because the article was written not to report on the news but to give us his opinion yet written like a news item.
like as if I wrote an article saying Prices plummet in the low lying suburb as people flee to higher ground. Instead of saying Fear of climate change is causing people who live in low lying areas to be concerned about the value of their real estate.
Did you see the photos of the happy couple, btw? looked like they rather enjoyed themselves all in all.
To infer from a smiling picture from who-knows-when that the couple enjoyed themselves when they were attacked, she was punched in the face, they were assaulted and threatened, their daughter there as well, is stupid and repugnant.
I knew we had a spike in murders to 24 last year, and knew that most were gangs, mainly Somalis whom I've mentioned before. Except the honor killings, or domestic murders, they mainly kill each other, which most don't mind. Similarly, though topping out at 162 murders between the Rock Machine and the Angels, most Montrealers didn't care until 11 year old Daniel Desrochers was with hit by shrapnel. Most of these killings are gang related, late night Byward market scuffles. The Syrians have yet to be a problem. A good comparison to the Somalis here would be Jamaicans in Toronto. It seems a 2nd generation of a wave of Black immigrants, winds up involved in this. In an un- PC manner, I'd call it more of a tribal mentality or black youth problem for the most part than a Muslim problem. Muslims that go to bars on the market to pick up girls or sell crack and wind up killing each other aren't killing for the Koran. The same for the thugs on Lesley's beach. I just can't picture a kid running off and holding a stolen cell phone in the air, and shouting "Allah Akbar" The gangs of niggers who rape German women on new years eve are just criminals. Do these people offend more than other groups ? That all said, it's nice to help people, but not too much too fast and certainly not rose color their violence.
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You fail to differentiate between, genuine terrorists and gangs of African thugs who commit crimes and are from Muslim countries. I know as an infidel what they think of me, but Somali drug dealers or Sudanese kids stealing cell phones to me just highlights youth unemployment.
well there are a few patterns going on here but to stick with the article. Isn't that a horrible story. I don't recall that story making the news either. I'm surprised a story like that doesn't become big news and get talked about more broadly - is it a current story Jim, or an old one?
I Googled "St Kilda's life saving club andrew beating" and found this list which includes some Australian media. You'll see that one witness in one article says that the assailants included various ethnicities, others don't.
yes it's kinda odd. It looks like it has been taken up by The Age and Channel 10 but not the ABC.
From the article in The Age it appears the youths were fighting amongst themselves, a 15 year old badly beaten, before attacking the workmen. Street violence rather than Jihad.
There was a death in our very own high school here at Mullumbimby a few years ago. On the playground at lunchtime. Awful story the teenager who died was trying to protect others from being bullied.
I'm not saying that any of this particular behaviour is violent Jihad. Nor is the rampant Muslim sex crime epidemic throughout the West. Rather, it's indicative of the Muslim sense of superiority and entitlement that is part and parcel of the broader civilizational jihad, or Hijra, that's rooted in doctrine and well-explained in many articles I've posted. It's hard for us to imagine because in a sense it's so backward but they really think that they're colonizing us. They have deep disdain for us Kafirs and it expresses itself in these kinds of crimes. Sure, other people can also be anti-social and criminal but this is all of a piece with Islam's ideological goals and strategies.
With the article on Ottawa you posted I found 2 inaccuracies. One calling Justin Trudeau a far left radical. I didn't hear Jane Fonda say anything like that when she was hear yesterday. He's a pompous, rich spoiled brat,and a hypocrite , but a far left radical? I suppose his thinking was the 39,000 Syrian refugees we've accepted so far. So if he's a radical lefty what does that make Merkel? If selling arms to the Saudis(18 Billion worth) or expanding the oil pipelines make you are radical, then I'm confused. I still like him better than the previous one, but hopeful Murray Rankin will replace him one day. The 2nd thing was stating that Canada's "lax immigration policies" threaten Americas security. I remember a majority of Americans believing the 911 Hijackers came through here, nonsense, and a reason to realize the danger of such slanted websites. I say switch to Buzzfeed!
It's painful talking with you about this because you know so little and the few facts that seem to cross your horizon on this issue get mangled in your memory and further distorted when you rely on them to make something that I think you think is a point. And you aren't interested in learning anything either. So where does that leave us? Nowhere.
I'm disappointed you wouldn't stick up for Canada and our vigorous vetting process. Sure we fail in integration, and as mentioned youth unemployment. Well, maybe he'll build a wall up here too, and we'll pay for it.
Thank you for agreeing these aren't stories of Jihad. And I agree with you that their religion is having an awful influence on their lives in general.
I get it, I really do. What I wonder tho is do you get the irony? A whitey talking about a sense of superiority and entitlement, about colonising being so backward it's hard to imagine - it's as if our predecessors hadn't done anything like that at all!
which they did, Jim. I grew up in a stable well provisioned society. Africa was the blood-stained spectre attending the feast.
All my life, ever since I can remember having a single thought about Africa beyond coo look at that elephant, I have thought there is no way we can fix things to be friends again - what happened there, it's much too bad. It still scares me to think about it.
And then I came to Australia. The history of colonisation here is as terrifying and awful as anywhere else and it's up close and personal. The aborigines have had unbroken possession of this land for a long long time, their brutal displacement only happened a couple of hundred years ago. In remote places they still have ownership in terms of unbroken possession, if not in terms of our law.
Somehow tho, no matter that we feel the history in our bones, there is a gentleness and friendliness of spirit that comes across. and sometimes you hear stories of what they are doing that show an amazing potential towards a future of living well with our past.
It's alright. I still think we're all doomed. there always seems to be at least some bad people around to trample anything good or useful into the ground.
Lesley, please, let's not get into a big, long argument over cultural relativism. I happen to think it's horribly destructive, irrational and hypocritical but you don't so let's not. The issue is whether or not Islam instructs Muslims that they're superior to infidels and directs them to colonize the world for Allah. I say it does. All you have done here is mock me with a tu quoque suggestion that avoids the question.
hummm, I don't know what the term cultural relativism means but I most definitely agree we shouldn't have an argument over it. Ah, I get it - you think I am saying we are as bad as they are and that's not what I am saying I am saying we have a history. Yes we are the civilised ones now but look at what we were doing in the past, you can't ignore it it really happened and the consequences of it play out whether you like it or not.
I am adding my viewpoint not arguing with yours. Take it on board if you like. your loss if you don't.
no mocking going on here - I'm just not like that Jim. I pointed out the irony - that's caused by not paying account to our past, imo.
if you don't get what I say, that's okay Jim. No argument either way. I often respect your opinions, even when I don't necessarily agree with them. is that wiggly enough to be unanswerable, Jim?
Lesley, you're avoiding the issue which is whether or not Islam instructs Muslims that they're superior to infidels and that they're in fact colonizing us. My point is that it does and that that's particularly perverse given its barbaric nature.
Think of the culture these men share that allows them to treat infidels like this. It's one incident, yes, but one in a continuing pattern that screams for acknowledgement:
Here in Australia we've just had a news story about the genital mutilation of little girls, here where it is illegal, but done anyway, mainly by Africans.
I agree with 13, the world is doomed, the writing is already on the wall and commonsense says it's time to face our end. Not just as individuals or even as a species but as a planet. And who knows, in the bigger picture we might be the start of something that will take out the whole universe.
One has to look on the bright side. It could be worse.
There really might be a god and he's getting ready to string us up by our thumbs for eternity.
Commonsense is over rated tho, I'm beginning to think. somehow it's not the odds stacked against you that matter, is it.
no no that's not environmental doom talk. I agree with 13 - it wouldn't be that hard to make vast improvements to the environment if that was our aim.
No it's human evolution doom talk. sorry.
Say, say that we did manage to stop the destruction with enough natural resources left to regenerate conditions that are habitable. Which I find fairly unimaginable but say we accidentally did it.
We are still left with human evolution and the writing is on the wall. We are in an escalating mess. sorry.
And anyway before we can get back to sorting out our own problems we have to face up to the possibility of world war. And the potential collapse of the financial systems. Well maybe we can avoid that by having a war. Bomb everyone instead. But there is no recovery from a world war, we have too much weaponry these days.
And I'm still even more worried about what the chemists, mechanics and medical scientists are doing right now in peace time.
I saw a horrific thing last night on the 7.30 report, ABC National. Have you heard about the genetically modified disease which involves growing awful tumours or losing your memory that is being put down to agent orange? My Amazing Twin I think it was called. google that if you dare.
It's not that it's impossible to fix our problems. It's not that we don't have miraculous powers of regeneration. It's not like we don't know what to do, it's just that the circumstances are what they are.
. That makes sense of everything I saw on google. 
there always seems to be at least some bad people around to trample anything good or useful into the ground.