Re: The Cult of Trump
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Gregg ®

04/24/2024, 12:48:00
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I don't know where to start. Maybe with this:

With all due respect, Gregg, I doubt you know much about this at all.
How would you? What have you read or studied on the subject? Obviously,
if as I allege, the cult has absorbed the mainstream engines of society
so much, you're not going to get that education from them, right?

How would I? The internet! I read Newsmax, Truth Social, The Gateway Pundit, etc. I also read the more mainstream conservative websites, both pro-Trump and never-Trump. And for all my confirmation bias needs, I shop at legacy media sites and leftist news/opinion sites. I contributed five dollars to DJT five years ago to get his daily invitations to give him more money. I also look at Rumble.com...which brings me to this: I said I LOOKED at your two videos, not that I WATCHED them. I'm a reader; watching videos involves spending a lot of time digesting information at a glacial pace. OK, I did watch most of the first one. The debate between you and Steve was a little too annoying, though, the two of you were jumping in with interruptions too often to allow either of you enough room to complete thoughts. I get it, each of you had a lot to say, and that's the way it gets when two smart, opinionated, and informed guys duke it out.

(Much of my info-gathering quality time on the internet involves matters academic, cultural, scientific, and especially aesthetic. Not primarily political, in other words.)

Oh, and this: Obviously,
if as I allege, the cult has absorbed the mainstream engines of society
so much...

Could you explain this for me? By "mainstream engines of society" are you referring to the media? Also--and this gets to the heart of what I take to be your message--what is "the cult?"

You and I will have to disagree about Trump. I think he's a prevaricator; you think he is the voice of truth. (BTW, you haven't been to a Trump rally, have you? I think the way he's been ending his performances with a super-religious interlude is seriously creepy.) Also, I am familiar with the arguments your camp makes about the 2020 election but find the rebuttals to those claims more convincing. Something else we will never agree upon!

Which brings me to another tactic I see "both sides" doing: cherry-picking quotes from experts to inflame their base. For example, something I'm guessing your child-queering book does: quoting queer theorists. It's pretty easy to find deranged material from theorists of all kinds in academia. Theory Wars! Jeez. But here's the thing: nobody in real life is much influenced by this kind of bloviating. I'm talking about educators, especially. We don't read queer theory!

About your query: I have been teaching on and off since I was twenty. I was busy pursuing a career in music during my younger years. Not much of a career, as it turns out. (I still play piano several times a month in a local club. Jazz, mostly.) Finally growing up, I settled into a career teaching English to high school kids. Denver Public Schools. Ten years in a ghetto school, twenty years in an arts school. Retired five years ago. I work as a substitute teacher two or three days a week. Good money for easy work.

Here's something on which we may possible agree: both the anti-Biden and the anti-Trump camps have really gone overboard with their hate campaigns. One can hardly avoid being reminded of the famous two minutes of hate Orwell introduced us to in 1984. I mean...really? We have been gifted with this fabulous human life and we're going to fritter it away hating some public figure?

Back to the internet: I spent some time looking up that phrase you use in your discourse a lot, "cultural Marxism," a coinage which I thought to be just a culture wars throwaway label meaning nothing, really. (Karl Marx? Culture? WTF?) Turns out it has a genuine history, although nobody seems to agree on what that history is.

OK, hope this response means something to you. I didn't mean to be sarcastic and inflammatory, but sometime ya just can't help it, y'know?

Again, I would like to know how an entire society can be called a cult. Given our personal histories, we know what a cult is, but maybe you've grown into a different understanding of what the word means. When I read your response, I'm afraid I'm going to be tempted to label you a conspiracy theorist, but I know that never turns out to be a particularly useful move.

Gregg






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