I find it hard to believe some of the folks who have been frequenting F8 claim to be sincerley just looking for answers or the truth.

I feel that POV and godonlyknows* have hidden agendas or else are very deep into Prem Rawat and it's ingrained in them, based on their lack of continuity in dialogs with Jim, myself and others, when faced with questions that make them have to choose between copping to the obvious truth or going silent and not responding, only to pop up later and start all over again as if they just got here for the first time.

*godonlyknows has avoided dialogging with some of us as has POV, but gok is dialogging with Susan below and they seem to be getting along, but I don't entirely trust gok or POV.  It's a gut feeling that may or may not apply to both of them.  

I was once a premie who came here first defending, then questioning, then rejecting Prem Rawat's trip.  I argued and debated until Susan came along and told her story and others came forward and concurred and then it came out that indiivuals and communities from Denver, CO to Cornwall, England had reported incidents involving Jagdeo over a period of years, and nothing had been done to stop him all that time, not until the internet heated up the situation so much that they had to do or say something.  Anyone with a grain of human decency and  practical common sense would readily admit that the Jagdeo fiasco casts a very bad light on his boss, but no premie can do that without putting their ass in jeopardy with PR.  So unless there is a premie who is ready to make the jump, there will be broken conversations, long slences between questions and answers (if at all) and illogical rebuttals from them whenever they are faced with a matter that would make them have to admit just from common sense and human decency that something is not kosher in Maharaji's World. 

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that pedophilia is not something that the true Lord of Love would allow to have happening right under his nose for four years unnoticed and unstopped, especially within his own flock and perpetrated by one of his own apostles.  That is just an insane scenario, but it happened and it is reality and a memory for some of our beloved brothers and sisters here.  So I don't want to hear about any more f*cking allegories, OK?  Real lives were affected.  That is not an allegory.