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03/23/2024, 15:44:43
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I am being sued by Kin O'Leary for Online Defamation and misrepresentation. She writes that she has got a "take part of the settlement lawyer" who I admit can do some good but are often shonks and ambulance chasers.

So I ask you, people who remember Ms O'Leary, and when she was Mrs Field, and her role in Divine Light Mission and Elan Vital and her work in Visions International, am I misrepresenting her? Wasn't she the Queen of Song? Writing her songs of adoration and singing them on stage, leading worship for at least 30 years. I'm sure she was sincere at the time and she said she got a payout when she left the fold. Was this to keep her mouth shut about anything she saw behind the curtains?

I haven't been paid off by Prem Rawat and but for a decade or more I took her name off my site as she requested it because it was making it difficult for her to get work but as we're all getting so old I put her name back up so future generations can understand she was a talented young girl who wasted her opportunity for fame and fortune to kiss the feet )literally) and kiss the ass (metaphorically) of a total fake. That must hurt but its not my fault.

Kim O'Leary - The Most Famous Singer You've Never Heard (Of)  Home Page

Kim O'Leary - The Most Famous Singer You've Never Heard (Of)

Kim O'Leary was the ultimate singer with a cult following who was actually in a cult. She used to perform to thousands of devotees of Guru Maharaj Ji (aka Prem Rawat). They sang along in ecstacy knowing each word and meditating over every note … in theory at least. She had a promising career but threw it away to sing the praises (literally) of a fat, 14 year old Indian fake-guru, probably the most ridiculous and unlikely guru ever known to man, or woman. Her songs were the soundtrack to Divine Light Mission's worship of the guru, she was Maharaji's Misery Minstrel.

She then spent decades using up her talent, writing and singing songs of desperate devotion and yearning for an "experience" that never quite eventuated and being paid peanuts for her "Service" until losing her looks and her voice and being too old to resurrect the career she never had she was dumped for His daughter, a younger, fatter and less talented singer. Daya Rawat now sang O'Leary's songs of adoration to Prem Rawat, the most famous (or infamous) person you've never heard of.

Prem Rawat & Kim O'Leary
Kim O'Leary sings for Prem Rawat

In the 1970s she sang to crowds of 20,000 and now, in 2023, she is followed on Spotify by 50 fans who are probably worshippers of Rawat's and this catastrophic "A Star Was Never Born" storyline was lived without her having any fun - no drug abuse, no sex scandals (well there was partner swapping), no personal jets, no massive mansions or fabulous financial rewards those were for Prem Rawat Himself - just hours of thinking about her breathing, poking her fingers in her eyes and her thumbs in her ears and sucking on her tongue under blankets in dreary rooms on uncomfortable pillows living in shared accomodation. She was bound to run out of inspiration eventually.

Kim O'Leary and former husband in Premie House
Premie House Meditation Room

AnxietyWhat was the result of those decades worshipping Prem Rawat: Years of Anxiety and Therapy

O'Leary has written a Self Help book drawn on her own life of decades of crippling anxiety and years of therapy once she was dropped from performing at Rawat's speeches to the ageing remnant of 1970s counter-culture dregs who flocked to His feet to bring Peace to the World. Prem Rawat's teachings promote a Catch 22 situation, he assures his devoteees that they could and should experience an enlightenment realization by meditating on His Knowledge and worshipping Him and if they don't it's all their own fault. Pre-publication testimonials to her book by friends and associates stress the positive include "This book is a practical how-to guide for managing anxiety, drawn from a rich life of trial and error," "Kim gives autobiographical snippets to validate the often isolating feelings of anxiety that many people experience." Kim's anxiety and depression were well documented in her song lyricss for those who chose to look closely.







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03/23/2024, 16:15:33
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" I
have multiple emails from you, starting from 2011, where you clearly
admit that you understand that misrepresenting me online could damage
me personally and professionally. You therefore agreed to remove my
name from your whole site. That's all in writing from you. Since then,
you have now gone to the extreme of weaponising your site against me
with hateful, misogynistic language and online bullying"

Actually, I removed her name from the site because I felt sorry for her. I accepted that it was hurting her chances of a new career writing music for films because she told me so. I at no time wrote that I was misrepresenting her. I have always said that if I write anything untrue on the site I will remove it on demand.

I have recently decided to write a fuller expose of her role as part of my updating my site to the present time. "hateful, misogynistic language" - I was trying for ironically playful.

"bullying" ??? I'm sure Ms O'Leary does not enjoy recalling any information about her 30 years stint as the most important voice promoting the devotion and worship of Prem Rawat that he demanded but that's not my fault.

One thing is for certain, I have never belittled her talent as a songwriter and ballad singer. I may be wrong but I've always said that she was very talented and could have had a successful public career. In fact, I still listen to her songs occasionally. From You Are My Perfect Master to Leaving Your Lotus Feet to This Is my Paradise and into the beyond. Her later music published under her own name not so much.

I can only hope that truth is still a defense against wild, charges of "hate speech."






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03/23/2024, 16:50:26
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I am sorry to hear you are being sued, that must feel pretty awful.

However you intended it, I do think it must have felt pretty awful for Kim when she read that article.

Why not try taking a reconciliatory approach?






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03/23/2024, 18:58:47
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I'm sure she did feel pretty awful but she didn't have to read it and she could have showed some maturity and self-awareness and accepted what was written was true and accepted that her significant role in Rawati$m makes her a public figure that is open for comment and criticism about her career as a cult insider that she has tried to hide.






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03/23/2024, 19:06:46
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Yes, Kim is a PUBLIC figure and she has played this game before. Fight back!






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03/23/2024, 21:36:11
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"until losing her looks and her voice and being too old to resurrect the career she never had "  not kind not necessary.

and calling her a 'misery minstrel'?

I'm just wondering if a bit of tweaking might change how she feels on reading it.  I have no idea if she's retired as a singer or not but there's no doubting her innate talent and that bit is really good in the article.  Personally I enjoyed seeing that photograph but if I were one of the people in it I would prefer the article to have a gentler tone - there's little children involved!   










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03/23/2024, 22:53:09
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Right. I'll drop the losing her looks and her voice

but being too old to resurrect her career is unfortunately true

"misery minstrel" - think about all those songs she wrote with lyrics like:

For 20 years Prem Rawat claimed he was the Incarnation of God, the Perfect Master and Lord of the Universe who demanded worship. He claimed He could bring World Peace and peace and bliss in the hearts of His followers through His Divine Grace if they obeyed him and surrendered to Him. Kim O'Leary's lyrics were embedded in this world-view though they were somewhat short on the bliss and leaned towards the longing but always wrote of His divinity.

You Are My Perfect Master
The answer to my every question always comes from you, You are the giver and the keeper of my soul, The answer to my every question always comes from you

Wild Night
Wild night let me discover your end, Let me go you must abandon me, I'm wounded by you fire, I need redirection, sweet correction, And love to take me higher

How Can I Ever Stop Loving You
Your voice is just like music to my ears, Singing to me of all the real things my heart longs to hear, Bringing to me the perfect love to wash away my fears, Taking me home, taking me home

Always There
And I know that you're the only one, That walks upon this earth, Than can teach the people how to live in peace, Cause you reveal the source of all the love I ever wanted

What Have You Done To Me
What have You done to me? All I can do is hold onto each drop of Your Grace, What have You done to me? I feel like Your baby I feel like Your mother, And I feel like it's time to surrender

Maharaji I am bound to You
Maharaji I am bound to You, In love and devotionYou have saved me, Really from the deepest coldest ocean
Maharaji I am lost without You, Afraid to doubt You, Too in love to turn away, Maharaji You are the only one who loves me, Regardless of my imperfections

Oasis Of Love
If I should ever lose sight of You, Please find a way to open my eyes again, Fell into a heavy dream a long time ago, God only knows the kind of shape it got me in

When Rawat encouraged a more Indian and devotional from of worship in the 1980s, O'Leary responded with new songs:

Leaving Your Lotus Feet
Leaving Your Lotus Feet, Oh where would I go? Who else has the Holy Name to purify me? Who else loves the weary and the weak?
Who else the power to free me from Maya? Who else showers such a love so sweet? I am yours Oh Lord, my Guru Maharaj Ji, Please make my surrender complete

Apani Hasti
Those who lose themselves into your Lotus Feet, They please You, Oh my Lord with their surrender complete
Even though hardships, poverty and troubles come to them, They are welcomed as gifts from your Holy Lotus Feet







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03/24/2024, 14:01:54
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ah, ok - isn't there a better way of putting it than calling her names?

Kim sang love songs to Mr Rawat as if he were her one and only - she believed him to be the Lord incarnate at the time though didn't she, her trust was betrayed first.  
Do you know if she is still a premie?












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03/24/2024, 14:34:50
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She says she isn't and I believe her. Can you be more specific about calling her names?






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03/24/2024, 17:01:01
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oh good to hear.  I am glad to hear she is out.

if you say she was Rawat's minstrel for a number of years who can complain that is accurate use of the word but probably nicer to say something like she was the main singer at his events.

call her a singer of devotional songs to Guru Maharaj Ji, say her lyrics took a plummet in the 80's to the point I start to wonder if GuruCharanand wrote them, none of this is the same as calling her a misery minstrel which is hurtful.  And untrue - she didn't make people feel miserable and she is not responsible for the misery Rawat has caused.  






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03/25/2024, 12:18:40
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I decided to reach out to Prembio privately on this. But I do feel similarly; that if it’s needed because it’s history to present the information plainly, without comment, and let the reader draw their own conclusions.








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03/25/2024, 13:45:32
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clearly Kim has not shown a clean pair of heels in her exit.  My guess is that she has signed a nondisclosure agreement.  My thoughts were that Prem must have really wiped the floor with her when she was in America, my observation was that she was hurting. 

I think I am correct in thinking that at a certain point premies are asked to sign a non disclosure agreement in order to take up a particular service.  Isn't that a sort of diminished capacity signature?  

idk, what I do know is non disclosure agreements are a lot harder to live with than we imagine when we sign them.

My sympathy is with Ocker - it's no fun being threatened with legal action and I am hoping he can fix his article.






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Being threatened sucks, and legal action sucks even when a person wins. 

It's sounded like it became standard to sign one to work for him. IDK about Kim. But that is an interesting thought.

 Imagine how it feels to realize you are in a cult and not be able to tell the truth about it because of a NDA.  Secondary trauma and a way for the group and leader to loom over your life forever. 

I see your point, how does one sign an contract with someone they believe gives them Agya. 

I have been reading about the campaigns to abolish NDAs that silence any sort of sexual harrassment. 

I think he can easily fix his article. 








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03/25/2024, 15:14:35
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The nondisclosure thing, my experience on leaving the cult was how I needed to talk - and though it isn't the same for everyone it seems to me to be a pretty common response.

It was the same with waking up to the closet.  I literally fell to the floor it was such a shock.  I wanted to get up but I couldn't move.  It was when I promised myself that I would talk that I was able to move again.

 






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I'll try to meet your criticisms with sensitivity though its hardly my strong point






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03/26/2024, 16:32:42
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So are these more acceptable?

I've decided to add similar pages detailing Lindsey Field's and Geoff Bridgford's most shri songs. They seem to be the big three of Rawati$m in song. Any others?









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03/26/2024, 16:58:38
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I thought what Lesley wrote was absolutely correct and so sensitively expressed. Thanks Lesley! And I was all like, "yeah, leave the poor woman alone!"

But then on a lark I googled her. Kim has a website and other social media accounts and is still promoting herself very actively it seems. She is also promoting at least one of her old devotion songs "Oasis" that is not so blatant. There may be more that I didn't recognise. And at further glance a good part of her following seems to be active followers. 

If people here hadn't said she had left, I would assume she was still a follower. I would even feel better about it then. Because if she is not a follower now, she is still promoting her songs to people who are which is, well yucky. There are always victims and predators in cults, and with her now I am finding it hard to see clearly which one she is.

But I do disagree about one thing. I am fortunate to know many crazy talented musicians. Only a few manage to have a decent professional career, meaning they can pay the rent without a side gig. If you want to write a cautionary tale I think it would more appropriately be along the lines of: If you want to be a musician, you better love music, because the chances of getting rich from it are very slim. Kim may have been lucky to have had the success she had in the cult. In the big bad world not so optimistic she would have had a banging career.






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Naturally the majority of people following her will be pwks, very few other people will have been made aware of her. 10 or 15 years ago she asked me to take her name off my site because it was interfering with her attempts to make a career writing music for films. She took some glee in informing me that she got a payout from Rawat's minions and that she had her own spirituality. After some back and forward and threats from her I agreed to it but I'm now thinking she must be 70 years old and on the aged pension.

I'm getting some messages about my time of death as well so I want to finish off my site as fully and up to date as possible. Both O'Leary and Bridgford have phony resumes on the net in which their 30 year involvement on top of the Rawati$m rathole get no mention. They lie by omission as is their right. I'm not calling up movie studios and getting her black-listed, demanding music websites correct the details or accusing her of deceit or anything like that in public fora (except this one).  To find what I have written about her you have to search for it.

Any music career would have been dodgy as you rightly point out. I guess being the diva to the Lord of the Universe is something you could be proud of but she obviously isn't so that certainly shows some intelligence and insight.






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If she took a payout she may have signed a NDA? 

I would think any sane person would not want a google hit of being associated with Prem Rawat. That's the worst part. But I agree too, the comments on aging and misery minstrel are not needed and I can see why she felt it was offensive.  I don't want to be LIKE this damn cult and be shaming her in any way at all for struggling with anxiety and depression. I truly think it's admirable that she wrote a book about it.  Our former cult leader has a real history of stigmatizing mental illness and recall that having a history of emotional problems was a contraindication to receiving knowledge?

https://www.prem-rawat-critique.org/promotion_of_stigma.htm

It isn't just our cult where one function of the cult is the built in networking and marketing the group provides. For people that the network supports their business; it would be a downside to publicly criticizing the cult. That shouldn't keep people from calling out the sorts of horrible things we know about, but it may be a factor for some.

I feel we don't know Kim or what she feels about the cult now. That premies follow her music doesn't mean much. I feel like she is very possibly a sincere exploited person like most of us were. I am interested what she knows that she got a "payout" from the minions. 

I am the same person who was dead wrong on Marolyn too so there is that. But I think I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't see a lot about Kim that makes me think she isn't just one of the sincere and exploited former followers of Prem Rawat. 






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that's my memory of her Susan - just like she looks in that photograph.  After she went to America she came back looking shattered.

  






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I've removed the comments on ageing and the word misery. Of course she was sincere and exploited. The difference is that most of us had little effect in reinforcing others' beliefs in the whole sham story of Divine Guruhood. I believe she and half a dozen others had an important emotional effect and acknowledging that gives a more accurate picture of the cult. 






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Lindsay had a great voice too.  I remember them playing at William St.  I also remember Jenny Mason she was extraordinarily beautiful, she really looked like an angel with her long blonde hair and perfect skin.

To complete the picture of William St satsang you can't go past Michel - the frenchman who made baby sounds into the microphone, I mean honestly he sat there he worked up to the moment, he grasped the microphone most intently, a grunt or two and out came the baby sounds - the perfect satsang!!! (not that the coordinator thought so or any of us at the time)








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glad to hear she got a payout and hope she's on the pension - but what has this got to do with a musician retiring?

Apparently Tom Jones, yes Tom Jones is appearing at this years Blues Fest.  !!

Re your article, it's much less offensive but still prickly.

maybe you could agree with her to take the pages down while you talk about adjusting them a bit with her?








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I was also unsettled by the characterization of Kim O'Leary as a "misery minstrel" and especially references to her age-related appearance and diminished voice. 

The music of One Foundation served as a proxy for my heart and it accurately reflected the teachings of Prem Rawat at the time. If Kim was a misery minstrel, it was only because she served as a clear conduit for those teachings and my condition as a premie: a basket case beggar who was nothing without the grace of Guru Maharaji. Prem Rawat's cult indoctrination dictated that the best position to be in was that of an empty-cup beggar desperate to be filled with Guru Maharaji's grace, love and protection.

"What can a premie do but beg Guru Maharaji for that grace. Get on you hands and knees and beg! Pray for that grace!"

Kim did an impeccable job of channeling what I and thousands of others were feeling. Strictly on the basis of striving for excellence - and her talent - I admired her for what she did. If anyone thinks she was good at what she did, they should've seen my impeccable spreadsheets! Or the precision with which I picked-up the tiniest piece of lint from the carpet of Guru Maharaji's Boeing 707 the night I walked through it when it dawned on me to not just gawk but do something!

As for Kim's loss or sacrifice of a more successful career as a musician, it's no different than the derailed potential of hundreds if not thousands of other victims of that cult. Why should she be singled out simply because her particular talent - what she had to offer - happened to place her on the stage under the spotlights? Payouts, NDAs, acting under the influence of others (which I surely did) or whatever, I'm sure I would've done the same and I don't see how those things alone qualify her to be singled out or viewed as an insider.

I was also inspired by her apparent sincerity and authenticity. (I can't say the same about her replacement.) I didn't know she was no longer practicing Knowledge and I was saddened to learn that she suffered from anxiety and possibly depression. I can only hope she's doing well.

I play my guitars as a hobby. I was getting good at it before it all abruptly ended when I received Knowledge at age 19. That's why I admired and felt jealous of Fuzzby for his Stratocaster brilliance as he played next to Kim. Instead, I got stuck finger-picking Kim's "leaving your lotus feet, oh where would I go" at nightly satsang.

As far as I'm concerned, Kim's story is just another cult tragedy. I listened to a few of her new songs. She loves music and she's still giving it her best. We could be friends. I did everything I could to conceal my devotion to Prem Rawat throughout my career and for good reason; I certainly can't fault her for trying. And whatever missteps she may have made in her life, morally or otherwise, I have no doubt they were nothing compared to mine.

Lastly, I've had very harsh words for people like myself who wait until the last minute and come in over-the-top after everyone else has had their say - words I can't even repeat. The truth is that I was reluctant - chicken actually - because avoiding conflict and disagreement is part of my nature. Although I have a deep sense of how I came to be that way, I'm certainly not proud of it.

It was the ease and conviction with which Lesley and Susan spoke out that compelled me to back them up at this late moment, and I thank them for that.

Bob







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I've removed the references to age and misery. Rawat used the word misery and miserable 17 times in a speech at Hans Jayanti Festival, Kissimmee, Florida / November 5 and 14 times in Providence / July 3, 1976

"The music of One Foundation served as a proxy for my heart and it accurately reflected the teachings of Prem Rawat at the time. If Kim was a misery minstrel, it was only because she served as a clear conduit for those teachings and my condition as a premie: a basket case beggar who was nothing without the grace of Guru Maharaji. Prem Rawat's cult indoctrination dictated that the best position to be in was that of an empty-cup beggar desperate to be filled with Guru Maharaji's grace, love and protection."

You are making my point of the importance of O'Leary and a few others for me and that is why I am singling them out. Would I have been as impressed by my first times at satsang if there wasn't the early incarnation of One Foundation sitting on the floor singing At the Feet of the Master and God is Love written by Geoff Bridgford? And doing a pretty good job of Van Morrison's "If I Ever Needed Someone" with full female choir on the chorus.

Aren't I making it clear that her story is - well 'tragic' is a too strong - but it is a story of loss and regret, wasted years and wasted talent. I don't enjoy writing that stuff nor being criticised for it but I see that I got carried away and have now edited out the things you guys criticised me for but the importance remains.

Of course there were all the other people who made Rawat's career possible with their hard work and talents in less public ways including the un-named Indians who peopled the early DLM movies and the "mahatmas" without whom he would be nothing but they didn't leave behind a series of films and recordings.






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I am totally behind what you are saying Lesley and you are saying it with total grace and insight. I don't know anything about Kim Leary or O'Leary or whatever her name ism other than she was that woman singing on the sideshow stage. 






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thanks, Aunt Bea.  really appreciate it.  Glad you didn't stay out of it.






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Spending a lifetime of judging and criticizing others, exaggerating their faults and calling them names is a hard habit to kick.






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04/07/2024, 22:28:41
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You know, there are other things to think about and write about and talk about than people we don't care for.






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Re: my mother used to say always ask yourself is it kind is it true is it necessary -- lesley Top of thread Post Reply Forum
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03/24/2024, 00:49:58
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Re: Sued for Misrepresentaion
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03/23/2024, 16:56:09
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Yep, you're screwed!

Kim has someone behind her pushing her to make these moves.

I used to have a YouTube account and put a number of Maharaji videos there like Holi, Hans Jayanti, the Mala and the crown and the dirty dancing. The only people who watched them were premies from India based on the emails thanking me.

But, because One Foundation and Kim had songs in the videos she complained to YouTube one, two, three times and three strikes and YouTube deletes your account.

She did complain to me and I went as far as using a YouTube tool that put in and replaced the audio sound track with non-copyright music.

But no! The game was over and I got kicked off of YouTube.

It was all a setup.

Here's an email I sent to Kim:

Your songs have been removed from the videos you have identified.

It's really too bad for you because based on the email I receive most of the viewers of these videos are, in fact, premies.

Here is an example:

Thanks for posting such sweet vintage videos!
I know you did it in the spirit of being mean and to hurt Maharaji's feelings (and you did), but it's backfired and more and more people enjoy your videos, especially the Indians (brand new never heard of Maharaji) who love their traditions and holidays. What's so bad about having fun playing Holi? It's not an American holiday but millions of Indians have fond memories of Holi from their childhoods and no one plays it better than Maharaji.
I wish you light and love and hope one day you get over your bitterness.
All the best to you and THANKS FOR THE BEAUTIFUL SWEET VIDEOS! A few of my older friends have watched them before they passed away and it was a big comfort.

So, you might have a chance since you are probably protected by law somehow. I would assert that through her very public appearances and so forth that she's not exactly a private person. Get all the information on her that she has put on the internet or wherever and that will show that she's not a shy retiring private person, but instead a bit of a public celebrity.

Good luck and don't let the bastards get you down.






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03/23/2024, 20:53:20
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OK the language is colourful but you have not criticised her or her talent but merely pointed out how sad that such a talent should have been used to promote - to the detriment of others - a cult that was at best worthless and at worst  damaging to the vast majority of its one-time adherents. That is a fact. I have not read her book but if your reporting of it is accurate then that is evidence that neither did adherence to the cult do her any good either.





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03/24/2024, 14:44:18
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It was raining yesterday so I compiled a quick list of Ms O'Leary's work for Prem Rawat. Its particularly ironic that she claims I am misrepresenting her when in fact she was misrepresenting Prem Rawat in the greatest degree possible, proudly and publicly and like Prem Rawat wants to hide his past, she wants to hide hers. There are thousands of former premies who prefer not to speak about their past worship of Rawat but she was a figurehead for Rawat and not only does she not want to talk about it, like Rawat she wants to pretend it never happened and like Rawat tell a different story.

Kim O'Leary - The Most Famous Singer You've Never Heard (Of)  Home Page

Kim O'Leary - Threatens to Sue for Misrepresentaion

Kim O'Leary has threatened to sue the writer of this site for misreprentation. I have publicised her role as the most important singer/songwriter involved in Prem Rawat's Divine Light Mission and Elan Vital cults. I have written that she was a talented song-writer and ballad singer - sometimes a bit off-key in uptempo songs and lacking in that extra oomph for rock. I recall her singing in satsang meetings in Australia as early as 1973. I have used as evidence of these claims that she wrote songs, sang and recorded them on at least 13 professionally recorded and distributed audio tapes and CDs for sale. She performed in or had her songs used on the soundtracks of at least 16 videos or DVDs publicly distributed by Rawat's organisations. These were all productions of organisations and companies associated with Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji aka Maharaji. She may wish to have her public involvement with Rawat hidden but her public role and her contribution to the success of Prem Rawat's hold over his followers was so important it goes against the public interest not to expose it. Her role was not insignificant and without it being written about no understanding of Rawat's career is really possible. One of the main reasons (IMHO) that Rawat kept a core of devoted followers was her songs and the songs of few other "premies."

  • Tapes, CDs
  • 1978 SLT 007 ONLY ONE LOVE
  • 1978 SLT 008 BRAND NEW LOVE
  • 1979 SLT 009 TEACH ME DEVOTION
  • 1979 SLT 010 I LOVE YOU
  • 1980 POWER OF LOVE
  • 1980 YOU ARE MY EVERYTHING
  • 1981 FIRE IN MY HEART
  • SLT 020 1983 paradise
  • 1987 SELECTED LISTENING '87
  • 1989 ENCORE
  • 1994 YOU ARE MY INSPIRATION
  • 1995 Downpour
  • 1999 LOVIN' TIMES
  • 1999 EVERSOUND EXPRESSIONS
  • 2001 HEARTFELT
  • 2001 THANK YOU
  • Videos, DVDs
  • 1974 POWER OF LOVE
  • 1976 KEEP ON TRUCKIN'
  • 1977 BIRTHDAY FILM
  • 1978 THE GREATEST MAGICIAN
  • 1979 LINGFIELD GURU PUJA
  • 1979 GURU PUJA '79
  • 1979 HANS JAYANTI '79
  • 1980 HOLI
  • 1980 YOU ARE MY SAVIOR
  • 1980 GURU PUJA
  • 1981 EYES OF FAITH
  • 1981 MESSAGE OF THE HEART
  • 1988 CONTACT
  • 1989 WINDOWS IN TIME
  • 1990 FESTIVAL OF KNOWLEDGE
  • 1994 BEGGAR
  • 1996 BOUNDLESS

For 20 years Prem Rawat claimed he was the Incarnation of God, the Perfect Master and Lord of the Universe who demanded worship. He claimed He could bring World Peace and peace and bliss in the hearts of His followers through His Divine Grace if they obeyed him and surrendered to Him. Kim O'Leary's lyrics were embedded in her Master's teachings and theology though they were somewhat short on the bliss and definitely leaned towards the longing, fear of abandonment and abasement but always wrote of His divinity. Prem Rawat was the Giver of Her Soul.

You Are My Perfect Master
The answer to my every question always comes from you, You are the giver and the keeper of my soul, The answer to my every question always comes from you

Wild Night
Wild night let me discover your end, Let me go you must abandon me, I'm wounded by you fire, I need redirection, sweet correction, And love to take me higher

How Can I Ever Stop Loving You
Your voice is just like music to my ears, Singing to me of all the real things my heart longs to hear, Bringing to me the perfect love to wash away my fears, Taking me home, taking me home

Always There
And I know that you're the only one, That walks upon this earth, Than can teach the people how to live in peace, Cause you reveal the source of all the love I ever wanted

What Have You Done To Me
What have You done to me? All I can do is hold onto each drop of Your Grace, What have You done to me? I feel like Your baby I feel like Your mother, And I feel like it's time to surrender

Maharaji I am bound to You
Maharaji I am bound to You, In love and devotionYou have saved me, Really from the deepest coldest ocean
Maharaji I am lost without You, Afraid to doubt You, Too in love to turn away, Maharaji You are the only one who loves me, Regardless of my imperfections

Oasis Of Love
If I should ever lose sight of You, Please find a way to open my eyes again, Fell into a heavy dream a long time ago, God only knows the kind of shape it got me in

When Rawat encouraged a more Indian and devotional from of worship in the 1980s, O'Leary responded with new songs:

Leaving Your Lotus Feet
Leaving Your Lotus Feet, Oh where would I go? Who else has the Holy Name to purify me? Who else loves the weary and the weak?
Who else the power to free me from Maya? Who else showers such a love so sweet? I am yours Oh Lordmy Guru Maharaj Ji, Please make my surrender complete

Apani Hasti
Those who lose themselves into your Lotus Feet, They please You, Oh my Lord with their surrender complete
Even though hardships, poverty and troubles come to them, They are welcomed as gifts from your Holy Lotus Feet

When Rawat demanded all materials demonstrating Indian and devotional forms of worship be destroyed and kept secret
O'Leary responded with new songs that were uncontroversial and never mentioned His name:

True Love
I want to dream the highest dream, Where my heart can fly, Far away far away, Through the endless sky

Find the Endless love Love
Find the endless love inside of you, It's there inside your heart, Right inside your heart, Find the endless love inside of you

Caught in the Magic
Oh caught in the magic again, Just for a moment, Lost in the magic again, Where heavenly music, Is back in my heart again

I Need to Feel It
Contemplation, I've been thinking tonight about my life and I need to feel it, I need to feel it
Life carries on, I need to go where it goes, I need to see what it shows

Of course, all the people who'd been listening to her songs for years knew exactly what the subtext was. Her behaviour is caused by Rawat's ongoing wish to attract new recruits to his cult, by stealth. O'Leary knows this just as all long-term "premies" or People With Knowledge as they call themselves do. When she left her position in the cult there was no onus on her to talk about her years as a Cult Diva but she tried to keep it secret through lies and false biographies. Writing a self-help book in which she talks about her years of crippling anxiety without mentioning that she was a close devotee of Rawat's who claimed to teach meditation techniques that produce peace and bliss takes this whitewashing a further step into deceit. Of course, it is not illegal to try to hide parts of your life, even when they are the most important parts of your life but similarly it is not illegal to reveal that deceit. It makes one wonder why she is so determined to hide what she was doing for 30 years.

AnxietyWhat was the result of those decades worshipping Prem Rawat: Years of Anxiety and Therapy

O'Leary has written a Self Help book drawn on her own life of decades of crippling anxiety and years of therapy despite performing at Rawat's speeches and being one of the young people who flocked to His feet to bring Peace to the World in the 1970s. Prem Rawat's teachings promote a Catch 22 situation, he assures his devoteees that they could and should experience an enlightenment realization by meditating on His Knowledge and worshipping Him and if they don't it's all their own fault. Pre-publication testimonials to her book by friends and associates stress the positive include "This book is a practical how-to guide for managing anxiety, drawn from a rich life of trial and error," "Kim gives autobiographical snippets to validate the often isolating feelings of anxiety that many people experience." Kim's anxiety and depression were well documented in her song lyrics for those who chose to look closely.







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