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Posted by: peter jackson ® 07/19/2006, 04:03:33 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin

Some years ago (late nineties) I attended a conference with the Maharaj Ji himself along with a number of other chosen ones. Part way through the six day affair the Maharaj Ji started talking about computers and as he was then, and still is now, obsessed with Apple Mac’s he made a derogatory comment about Bill Gates in relation to his  ability to create a decent operating system. The Maharaj Ji repeated this comment a couple of times and it stuck with me. That conference was a turning point in my thirty year journey with the knowledge. It has now been a number of years since that comment so I thought it might be a good idea to do a comparison between the two men. Most of what is below is public info but I have not referenced it.   Both are about the same age Both have dedicated their life to their work from an early age   Bill Gates has influenced tens perhaps hundreds of millions of people around the world Maharaj Ji has influenced tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of people around the world   90 percent of people with a personal computer run Windows, a Bill Gates inspired product 90 percent of people that received the knowledge have rejected it, a Maharaj Ji inspired product   In the mid 90’s Bill Gates turned his company on a sixpence/dime and reinvented Microsoft to focus on the internet thereby allowing millions of people to discover freedom of information, ideas and concepts via easy access to the internet   Maharaj Ji has reinvented his organization a number of times each time the membership reduced and ideas and expression were repressed and limited further  (Personal observation)   World Leaders overtly seek Bill Gate’s audience Maharaj Ji covertly seeks to give the impression world leaders are in his audience   Bill Gates has donated nearly Ten Billion dollars of his own wealth to charity Maharaj Ji has donated nearly Two Million dollars of other people’s money to charity (my guess)   Bill Gates is the wealthiest man in the world Maharaj Ji is perhaps the wealthiest man in his street.   Bill Gates has been documented by numerous independent parties as a man that has significantly contributed to shaping the direction of the world in the 20th Century   Maharaj Ji is yet to be documented for anything of any significance by any independent party. Any more ideas? Peter

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Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- peter jackson Top of thread Archive Posted by: milarepa ® 07/19/2006, 05:35:24 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Nice one Peter. Both Bill Gates and Maharaj Ji have tried, and failed, to monopolise the market. I`d rather have lunch with Bill. Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- peter jackson Top of thread Archive Posted by: Nik ® 07/19/2006, 06:21:41 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Just to get the balance right: The Bill and Melinda Gates Charity is backed by $38 billion worth of assets from the Gates family. Humanitarian Aid actually provided by TPRF amounts to no more than $500k N Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates (and Warren Buffett)... Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- peter jackson Top of thread Archive Posted by: Cynthia ® 07/19/2006, 09:30:32 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin That's an interesting set of observations, thanks, Peter. I saw a Charlie Rose show recently where he interviewed Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett -- all at once.  I believe the interview took place on the day Warren Buffett announced that he placed $31 billion into the the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.  They all sat around Charlie's round table and chatted quite casually, laughed a lot, and I was surprised how relaxed and open they all were.  They answered Rose's questions about the Foundation and in particular Buffett's philosophy about philanthropy.  In fact, later on Buffett had realized that he'd left the original paperwork, signing over the $31 billion to the Gates Foundation, in Rose's studio.  No problem, they were safely retrieved.  What I'd add to my observations about Prem Rawat are : Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett were happy to talk to the press and be interviewed by a journalist, albeit a friendly journalist.  Buffett and Rose apparently are friends.  However, Rose isn't and wasn't afraid to ask hard questions and he didn't hold back any questions.  *Prem Rawat won't be interviewed by anyone from the mainstream press.  According to the Elan Vital website, "Maharaji speaks to the media from time to time. He is happy to grant interviews to journalists with a sincere interest in his message."  That's a lie.  He never places himself in the direct line of questioning from the mainstream media, particularly the U.S., where he has his primary residence and citizenship.  Rawat has no relationship or name recognition with the media and makes no attempts to talk to it.  The second observation is that Warren Buffett said he doesn't believe in building what he referred to as "family dynasties," something he easily could do.   He said he'll leave his children financially set, of course, but he doesn't want his adult kids to sit around being rich.  He stated that his core beliefs have been the same all his life about this, he and his late wife agreed about it, and he has always planned to use the bulk of his wealth in philanthropy, and not anything else.  When Rose asked him if he'll "be okay" financially after this donation, he laughed and said "Oh, yes, of course, I'm set for life." *Prem Rawat is only about building his own personal wealth and family dynasty, and he doesn't contribute anything to his own foundation, didn't seed fund it.  He relies only on other people's money so the foundation can make minor contributions to charities.  His donations of artwork don't count, because those pieces were purchased by premies.  The stated purpose of the Prem Rawat Foundation is not charity or philanthropy, but the disemination of Prem Rawat's message.  Prem Rawat never worked a honest day in his life and has never worked  to earn his own money.  In fact, he has no imagination or ideas to offer to the world -- one only has to listen to his most recent speeches to confirm this.  He's got nuttin'. The third observation is that Warren Buffett said he looked around for someone who could do a better, and indeed, the best job of managing the bulk of his money donated, in order to better the lives of the people in the world, in particular now, people with AIDs in Africa, which is the current focus of the Gates Foundation, and a serious problem.  There's no hidden agenda of spreading the "Buffett message," or the "Gates message."  He and Gates both worked to make their own money and Buffett is happy to give it away.  He seemed so very happy in the interview on that day, stated he'd finally accomplished a life long goal, and was absolutely gleeful about the whole thing. He giggled a lot.  (I'd never seen Buffett interviewed before.) *Prem Rawat doesn't trust anyone but himself.  He thinks he's the only person with any qualifications for anything, especially about his "message of inner peace."  Rawat has many hidden agendas, lies about his life, and continues to primarily attempt to place the focus of people upon himself, not others.  He makes all the decisions about his life, foundation, etc., and when something fails, he blames everyone around him.  Modified by Cynthia at Wed, Jul 19, 2006, 10:02:27 Previous Recommend Current page Next The Sage of Omaha Re: Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates (and Warren Buffett)... -- Cynthia Top of thread Archive Posted by: PatD ® 07/19/2006, 14:21:22 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Now there's someone who personifies the saying by Dr. Johnson that..........a man is no more innocently employed, than when he is making money......still living in the modest house he bought in the 1950's, still married to Mrs Buffet, no hint or whisper of sexual impropriety, drug taking, or excessive drunkeness in his life. An absolute dream come true for those many thousands of people who he gave the chance to buy shares in the original tailoring company he used to become a successful private investor. I forget what the ratio is now, but anyone who stuck with Buffet from the beginning of their few hundred dollar investment is now a millionaire. And there are plenty of them, because he treated people right, so they trusted him & stuck with him. Every year he throws a mega party for his original shareholders paid for by himself. Then we have the ex-Lord of the Universe, who personifies the folk saying....put a beggar on horseback & watch him ride to the Devil.... a man who lives in a ghastly, sprawling, concrete castle set on top of a barren hill, in which he is ministered to by zombies who have to sign legal 'gag' documents for the privilige. His wife was a trophy, his many personal failings have been kept secret, & most of the people who originally invested in his dream have left, disillusioned at best. Hardly any of the original investors are millionaires, indeed most of them are skint because he treated people like shit, even though they gave him all their trust. Every year he throws a few special footkissing events, paid for by the participants. This post is really for that Sam Spade delude to meditate on. I can't address these people directly anymore. It's like getting caught up in a spider's web. All the best to you Cynthia. Previous Recommend Current page Next BRAVO Pat, well done and very true Re: The Sage of Omaha -- PatD Top of thread Archive Posted by: Joe ® 07/19/2006, 14:27:17 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: The Sage of Omaha Re: The Sage of Omaha -- PatD Top of thread Archive Posted by: LP ® 07/19/2006, 17:58:37 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Nice piece of writing Pat. I like the idea of an ex-Lord: the contradiction in terms. I know how you feel about direct reasoning with deluded thinkers, I am only just getting prickles at the back of my neck thinking about how it resembles getting caught up in a spider's web.  It can seem a pointless exercise; unless it benefits some who are just lurking on the verge of a major shift of perspective.  I think I'll try to follow your example and steer more clear in future. Lp Modified by LP at Wed, Jul 19, 2006, 18:13:00 Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Wat a Big Mac ? Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- peter jackson Top of thread Archive Posted by: geo ® 07/19/2006, 09:45:49 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Previous Recommend Current page Next BRAVO great read and great points! Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- peter jackson Top of thread Archive Posted by: Susan ® 07/19/2006, 14:09:01 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- peter jackson Top of thread Archive Posted by: Mary ® 07/19/2006, 20:50:34 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Well said, Peter.  Here's one more. Rawat thinks that people in the aviation industry respect him (and this is very important to him), but many know he is just an Indian swami who has made a killing in the west. They just put up with him to get his money. People thought Bill Gates was a ruthless businessman but he turned out to be a philanthropist. Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Is he Robin Gates or Bill Hood? Re: Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- Mary Top of thread Archive Posted by: Ocker ® 07/19/2006, 21:52:18 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin There's little doubt that Bill Gates stole 10's of billions of dollars from the wealthier sections of computer using society through his monopoly position gifted to him by IBM. But now he's going to give away the ill-gotten part of his fortune (he did deserve some billions after all) to help people he didn't rip off. Truth is stranger than fiction. Previous Recommend Current page Next Re: Late addenda Re: Maharaj Ji and Bill Gates -- peter jackson Top of thread Archive Posted by: rgj ® 07/20/2006, 09:03:51 Author Profile Alert Forum Admin Buffet is recognized in business as a paragon of rectitude.  He pays himself very modestly and is always first to assume responsibility for any failures in his company. He has long railed against the obscene amounts of money that some CEOs pay themselves even while their business is going down the toilet. Does rawat ever accept responsibility for anything?  Would he be happy only to accept donations each year to the extent that he had been successful in spreading knowledge during that time? I don't have much admiration for Gates as a CEO (as a long-time user of MS products, how could I?)  But it is widely acknowledged that he revels in the company of people smarter or more knowledgeable than himself (there are a few, I believe). Rawat, by all accounts, on those occasions when he has to go into "the world" shrivels to insignificance when no longer surrounded by adoring followers. rgj Previous Recommend Current page Next