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Ocker,Thanks for demonstrating your character with this post.
Now I know what kind of person you are. Sean
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Come on Sean, is there anything I wrote that isn't true? Don't you think Inner Bongolia is funny? I wish I'd made it up but I heard it last week at a Krishna Das concert. The premie and I who were at the concert together laughed uprouriously at that one. You do know what "Bongo" means in the premie lexicon don't you?I think I made it pretty plain that I think you're a decent guy but hell what can I say, you think you can discuss Prem Rawat and his "Knowledge" when you haven't seen him since 1987, you don't listen to his speeches (ie "satsangs"), you've barely meditated in 25 years and you don't do service and you're so ignorant you actually have the gall to say that IYHO Prem Rawat doesn't want you to pay to hear him speak "in person, on satellite or video." Then why does Elan Vital charge premies to do these very things? So who would be right about what Prem Rawat wants in this case, you or Prem Rawat? And then cause you're hurt that I've made fun of you, and in this case you surely have to accept you deserve to have your pomposity punctured, you say "Now I know what kind of person you are." and even I can recognise that as an insult. I think that sort of insult from on high is called "passive - aggressive." Bu t I'd be happy to ahve you remian posting on theis Forum but please not as if you actually know anything about Prem Rawat and very, very little about his so-called "Knowledge".
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Ocker,>Come on Sean, is there anything I wrote that isn't true? No. But you are still a liar. Do you know what a lie is? I will tell you. A lie is speach contrary to the mind, with intent to deceive. Isn't that what you did when you asked me your "potted
palm questions"? I won't lay out the evidence here, I will just ask you, as a man, to 'fess up to what you did. Are you a
man, Ocker? Can you do that? >Don't you think Inner Bongolia is funny? I wish I could keep a straight face here. Yes, both Inner and
Outer Bongolia happen to be very funny, and yes I did laugh
when I read it. >You do know what "Bongo" means in the premie lexicon don't >you? No. Still don't. Sorry for being lame. >I think I made it pretty plain that I think you're a decent >guy but hell what can I say, you think you can discuss Prem >Rawat and his "Knowledge" when you haven't seen him since >1987, you don't listen to his speeches (ie "satsangs"), you've >barely meditated in 25 years and you don't do service and
>you're so ignorant you actually have the gall to say that IYHO >Prem Rawat doesn't want you to pay to hear him speak "in >person, on satellite or video." Then why does Elan Vital >charge premies to do these very things? So who would be right >about what Prem Rawat wants in this case, you or Prem Rawat? I can't argue with any of these statements. Except that I
personally think I have a pretty good idea of what Maharaji
wants, years of non-contact nonwithstanding. >And then cause you're hurt that I've made fun of you, and in >this case you surely have to accept you deserve to have your
>pomposity punctured My pomposity is always in need of puncturing, or so my wife
and kids tell me daily. >you say "Now I know what kind of person >you are." and even I
>can recognise that as an insult. I think that sort of insult
>from on high is called "passive - >aggressive." God, are you my wife? She is constantly tellng me that I am
"passive-aggressive". My friend Ocker, this was an insult,
intended for you personally, in your ugly face. Please come to
Texas, knock on my door and I will personally present you
with a punch in the nose and kick your ass into this beautiful
Texas clay for your statements 
Then I will take you to the Alamo (San Antonio), Hippy Hollow
(Austin of course), NASA (Houston), the McDonald Observatory
(Davis Mountains), and anywhere else you would like to visit,
because for all it's obvious faults, this is a most excellent
place. >But I'd be happy to have you remain posting on this Forum but
>please not as if you actually know anything about Prem Rawat
>and very, very little about his so-called "Knowledge" Thank you, I will take this in the spirit in which
it was intended, and I won't represent myself as an "ElanVital" premie. Sean
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Thank you, I will take this in the spirit in which
it was intended, and I won't represent myself as an "ElanVital" premie. Sean, I really don't understand why you want to be any sort of premie. You have to accept that within the parameters of the belief system around Prem Rawat, Ocker is dead right. You are so far out of orbit that you wouldn't register on even their most powerful telescopes. I was pretty much out there myself for the last 15 yrs of belief, but not totally, because I still went to see the main man whenever possible, & got a hefty top up dose of Darshan, to keep me going until the next time.
Unless you start explaining how you can reconcile the inner Maharaji with the outer, then I have to say that I'm getting a little tingling feeling in the tips of my cult PR antennae.
Put my mind at rest..........tell us what you think about the Prem Rawat Foundation.
ps
After reading Cynthia's post in the thread above, it's just come to me what bothers me about your take. It would fit in very nicely, wouldn't it, if the shithead retires, to have people around for the public record, who say they never thought it was neccessary to see him, in order to keep up with the 'gift'.
Modified by PatD at Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 13:10:56
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Why did you think I was asking specific questions about your actual practice of "Knowledge"? Obviously, I was asking those questions to try to deduce your understanding of "Knowledge" and Prem Rawat and whether you were in a position to make theh ex cathedra pronouncements that you are so prone to.
If your answers had been different, if for example you had continued to meditate regularly since 1977 I would have responded differently, if you had continued to be part of the "mission" and had faithfully followed the agya of the "only man you would trust with your soul" then I would have responded differently. But the only thing you're quliafied to talk about is your own very individual and very singular ideas about this whole thing, but based on your own information your ideas about Prem Rawat and "Knowledge" aren't worth considering in a Forum based on consideration of those points. I'm sure there are many forums available for people wishing to speak about their own religions.
"Bongo" in premie jargon means either a "premie" who won't obey the rules, overt and unspoken or a disturbed or eccentric person hanging around premies and going to meetings. So Krishna Das uses it to describe his brilliant tabla player and calls him the King of Inner Bongolia and to people on that spiritual path of devotional chant that is humorous and resonant. To someone who knows about Rawatism it has extra humorous references. You are the King of Outer Bongolia because you're in outer space re Rawatism.
Well actually now that I've lost 20 kilos I'm as close to handsome as I'll ever be and before you start threatening people you should question them about what they've done in their lives (as I did you) else you may get a rude counter punch.
I'd love to go to NASA and the observatory but you may find me an embrassing companion at the Alamo when I loudly talk of the Texan slave owners rebelling to create a new country where slavery was legal and not accepting the Disney version.
You've refrained from defending your idealistic statements about Rawat not wanting anyone to pay to see him which is directly contravened by the demand for payment at those "events" except to say "you've got a pretty good idea about what he wants". As Rawat is a very rich man (Elan Vital claims he created his wealth by being a mini-Warren Buffet and not through donation but Rawat doesn't understand the concept of a mini buffet as any recent picture of his bloated body and multiple chins shows, see the photo at the bottom of http://www.ex-premie.org/video/pages/knowledge.html) and he could easily make available those extra funds that would allow seats to be free. But he doesn't, does he?
And finally for this morning, as the tide is rising and I wish to wash away my disappointment at France's loss, Prem Rawat, his father and prior Satguru and his eldest brother all agree there can be only one Perfect Master at a time. See:
http://www.ex-premie.org/video/passages.html#otlm
and http://www.ex-premie.org/video/pages/gurus.html
So one of the brothers is a charlatan or both of them are charlatans but they both can't be providing Grace.
BTW you mentioned bad links, what bad links?
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Ocker,> (post title) Questions Can't Be Lies!
You most assuredly did lie. One does not have to
specifically "tell a lie". You can just as easily lie
by omitting information or by encouraging an incorrect
assumption. Check the definition I gave you again, I
will leave the rest as an exercise for the poster. BTW, I want to apologize to you for what I said about
demonstrating my feelings on your face, etc. Your post
definitely got under my skin. That would not have happened
unless I had recognized some truth in it.
>you may find me an embarassing companion at the Alamo This is OT, but there is something very special about
the Alamo, despite the personal failings of those who
defended it. They showed us "how it is done", in the
context of standing up against overwhelming odds, in
a battle that they knew was unwinnable. That was the
real lesson of the Alamo.
>BTW you mentioned bad links, what bad links? Start here:
http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/ad.htm#content And try to find the entire book in text form.
The link references:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/1151/downloadp.htm#articles But the actual text file is at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/1151/download.htm#articles Sean
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Sean, Thanks for demonstrating your character with this post. Now I know what kind of person you are. Now, that's downright snotty. You're a passive-aggressive person, Sean and worse, you use the "I'm humble" ticket mixed in for good measure. Sean, believe your wife and do something about this behavior. Passive-aggression is every bit as hurtful as outright blatant aggression. That's the part that confuses most passive-aggressive people: They think "passive" is synonymous with peaceful, but it's not. It's still aggressiveness. Take note of this if you're really into self-improvement like you say.
Modified by Cynthia at Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 09:05:09
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...thought reform, coercive persuasion. It can linger for years, even without involvement or contact with the cult or it's leader. Rawat's got some pretty toxic stuff.
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Hi Ocker, It galls me beyond words when people like Sean act all naive about the money, tells me "Oh you were so devoted," and wonder why he can't be more devoted too. I think it's an act. There's a residue of premieism going on and he throws out old cult language that has long gone out of style at EV and Rawat Central. I feel like saying to him, "Oh for crying outloud! You idiot. (Smack) Wake up already! Premies giving Rawat money and free labor equals devotion." But that might be rude.
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