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Of course, that doesn't mean you cannot enjoy it  It is an awesome sight, even through a small telescope. For those who possess a small scope, see if you can detect the central star...... it's a challenge. On great seeing nights, you just might!
Modified by NAR at Tue, Jun 27, 2006, 17:39:36
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It's one of the most incredible images, I've seen.
Seems to remind me of something? Hmm.. ?
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That's what it reminds me of Actually, you want to see something pretty (and very unique)? Go thru the archive and search for a V838 Mon photo....... you'll like it! Here is one: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap051127.html The bright "red" star in the center is the one that did the deed. Actually, it is an unusual object and the write-up is not quite correct. While the light-echo is indeed reflecting off material, the material came from the star itself in prior episodes. This object is unusual in a number of ways, but it is still a very close binary (cannot resolve the star into the two actual components) as all "novae" are.
Modified by NAR at Tue, Jun 27, 2006, 17:56:06
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Modified by LP at Tue, Jun 27, 2006, 18:25:19
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is trying to get a handle on the distances involved, and obviously not even coming close.
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There are some very unusual charateristics with regard to that star. You can do a little hunting on the internet for data, but be skeptical of what you read. It isn't, by any means, nailed down yet. We are still very much in the data collection mode on this one.This object is so unique that there was an entire meeting dedicated to it this past May. It wasn't a minor taters meeting, either. Look at it in AWE! You are seeing a very cool object, indeed!
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Modified by LP at Tue, Jun 27, 2006, 18:57:11
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Now you know one of the reasons for studying this enigmatic object. Keep reading....... Do you feel like you are being led somewhere? He he he
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This is amazing, another late night.
Modified by LP at Tue, Jun 27, 2006, 18:50:50
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This forum is about the fat greedy lying fraud called Prem Rawat and how he affected our lives. Good stuff like nebulae shouldn't have to rub shoulders with Rawat.John.
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I basically agree with you John. A big ball of gas surrounded by (movie) stars in Malibu probably doesn't have much to do with astronomy. Kabir
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Sorry John, I guess it doesn't have the same effect on everyone. Briefly;-
It does me good to try to take this in.. this is 20,000 light years away i.e. it happened 20,000 yrs. ago, and 20,000 light years is only one fifth of the diameter of the Milky Way, our galaxy.
Countless points of light out there are not stars but galaxies in their own right, some probably far bigger than ours. My mind is stretched impossibly beyond all powers of visualisation and imagination. The planet and individual experiences are shrunk in equal converse proportion. What one of those individuals reckons he is and tells some other individuals, (way out there on that tiny speck near a point of light in a spiral of stars) to believe is about as irrelevant as ..
oops there I go again, mind boggled beyond any working images to describe the insignificance of maharaji and his claims and "divine" entitlement, as it is in real proportion to the universe, which he claims to
BE,
to KNOW,
to be the ESSENCE of,
to be able to SHOW to anyone,
To be the LORD of
And to be GREATER THAN THE LORD of.... (The universe)
How on earth did a little con man or seriously, obviously, deluded individual like rawat on a little planet, manage to convince us he was lord of it all. I stare at it, take in the figures, boggle my mind trying to get a total spatial picture of it all, listen to his shrill repulsive, stomach churning voice echoing in my mind, and in the end collapse, laughing at the pathetic, ignorant fool and his ridiculous story, full of lies, arrogance and stupidity.
But in his defense he himself is no more than the end of a tiny spiral of historic deceptions of similar nature, but of varying hues, that have spread outward at the speed of thought into innocent minds down through the ages. Filling their minds temporarily with light, before leaving them as dark and cold and unseen as dust in space.
He not only stole my life he tried to steal the whole universe as well!
But the universe 'knows' better and can 'illustrate' the magnitude of his lies.
Lp
Modified by LP at Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 05:15:12
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He not only stole my life he tried to steal the whole universe as well! Nice post! What a piece of liquid work he is. I left a few years ago and still feel such a strong resentment for his lies! I think of this possibility and wish that it is true and that he pays dearly what he has done, beside the "payments" he has laready made. He drank himself to the point of looking as he does today because he knows the laws of karma are real. I saw him last month on a Dishnetwork channel and couldn't believe how ugly he looks, and how fake he sounds. When the "spell" has being broke there is no way in hell to see him as "beautiful", as we used to see him when we were still brainwashed. Filling their minds temporarily with light, before leaving them as dark and cold and unseen as dust in space. The fake light had to be recharged. We needed darshan. F! At YouTube, http://www.youtube.com/results?search=maharaji&search_type=search_videos people are watching his videos and think that he is cool and powerful. I feel for anyone falling on his trap, as we did.
Related link: His blant lies:
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Thanks for your frank and true observations.
I remember over 30 years ago, there was a fuss being made by his mother over some beer cans in the back of the Rolls. I thought this was a teenage thing he'd grow out of.
I was quite shocked when 10 yrs. ago someone told me he had a drink problem. But I was horrified when I saw how he had aged, his lifestyle and attitude have changed his face.
It was an ugly change, but there was something scary about it too. Something unhealthy.
I can't believe some people still think he looks pretty good as someone who saw a video 3 months ago told me.
Thanks for your post.
Lp
Modified by LP at Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 14:37:29
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Have I got that right? Is that what it was called or was this purely a Sydney community thing? Did other people see something similar when using the old Divine Light technique which required a certain degree of pressure? Technique number 1,I think?
To me it looks a lot more like an eyeball.
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Yes, I think that was pretty much the common experience of most with that technique.
Modified by LP at Tue, Jun 27, 2006, 18:49:39
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to see that as a cosmic experience for years, but I could never in honesty get past the feeling that I was making my eyes have a visual abberation.
Clearly each eye, pressed on either side, produced a crescent shaped 'phosphorescence' as the receptors and nerves designed to interpret subtle stimuli, struggled to interpret the pressure on one side of its orb.
As we try to focus the 'single object' in our stereo vision, the two crescent shaped glowing blobs sometimes join into a circle. as if you took two pictures of the young moon, reversed one and made them into an apparent eclipse photo.
Way back in Hindu history someone figured this scam out and probably made a bundle! I doubt that maharaji is the only one cashing in on deceptions of this nature, even today. But he's a classic when it comes to epytomising words like "fat greedy lying fraud"
The entrapment goes like: God is light. This is light. Therefore this is God.
Before we had reliable scientific evidence, it must have been easier to fool folks, the stars don't look all that big to us, the planet never looks, to us, as huge as it is, relatively.
But now information and hard facts should be able to refute most or all of the ludicrous claims made by rawat and followers of rawat. I am curious to hear what an optician would say about the optical phenomenon.
I wouldn't mind hearing what the latest false logic is to justify his inherent sense of self entitlement.
I suppose, eventually he will be embarrassed to admit that he has anything to do with his words, his teachings, his techniques, or even himself!
Maybe then he will give us back the universe. (Along with our minds of course.)
Lp
Modified by LP at Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 06:11:41
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Hindu history is certainly not an exact science but the records reveal that people playing the guru game back then had to surrender all their worldy goods and attachments to be accepted as gurus. You had to be an out and out ascetic to get the respect in those days.
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And not so long ago, look at Mahatma Gandhi.
Divine Kings are the one's to watch out for.
Lp
Modified by LP at Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 06:03:24
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I'd like to extend this a bit:
The entrapment goes like:
"God is light. This is light. Therefore this is God. I or my initiator gave you God, therefore who am I?
I must be greater or at least, bottom line, the very minimum, I must be God."
The new person is always impressed with the idea that at least, at the risk of almost insulting him, he is God.
Actually, to get knowledge you have to let the initiator see that you have understood this. This is seen as very important.
One assumes, having already been mighty impressed with his kindness and unconditional love, that he is doing this entirely for our benefit "He has everything why would he care about little me. It must be his great compassion."
One struggles to be worthy for something that is all in the mind and imagination is very creative.
One imagines that one is going to the ideal of all one's previous concepts.
Whatever one's picture of heaven, enlightenment, eternal life, Buddhahood, satori, samadhi, months pass until one is prepared.
The aspirant is prepared up and down.
His estimation of maharaji is adjusted up as far as it will go, but at a very important hurdle, the scale is changed.
On this scale the lowest mark is god. the scale only goes upwards to higher and higher delusions of grandeur.
His/her ideas of enlightenment are adjusted down until the knowledge will fit snugly.
Everyone on that side of the line, in their hearts, knows that if they took people off the streets and gave them knowledge, their comments would vary between quite a few polarities, but to take a moderate few, hhmmm, so what .... interesting ... thanks .... hay knock it off ... but they would be home for supper and never part with a penny. True, they wouldn't get enlightened but no-one does, especially old guru god chops over there.
The point is; no one would get rich either so it is not done that way. This year 23 people wanted this imaginary picture they had created themselves so much that they allowed themselves to take a deep oath before their concept of God and their own heart.
A promise to accept a virtual brainwashing of talk, DVD, and for all I know some other hypnotic agents that I cannot explain because I also once fell under the spell. And seeing as I see now I do not understand how or why I fell for it.
They will get knowledge, be disappointed, but phase two will kick in:
The person now will be weaned off this immature and after all egotistical idea of being some kind of high flying yogi. It's not the meditation that counts. You've still got a guru. Welcome to the beginning of the rest of your life. If he is god he can let you into heaven whenever he likes, what's the point of banging your head against a brick wall in the meditation room. The real point of knowledge appears plainly; it is the calling card that validates him as guru, greater than...
Just please him.
And what pleases him? Service.
And what's the best form of service? Donation.
This year 377 people are not ready to "make that commitment" I.E. they are not sure whether the imaginary enlightenment or whatever will actually be attained and have not been adjusted down enough, the knowledge would rattle around in there like a pea in a bucket.
And they have not been adjusted up enough in their indoctrination into the magnitude of maharaji, to be able to imagine the sky to be just his inner light. They are not ready to start with the second scale which starts at god and goes up from there.
They therefore would fail to get the irony of "See; we have shown you light inside, light is god, guru has shown you god: therefore he is greater than god: therefore you will jump to it twice as fast as you would if it was god almighty telling you to jump.
And when he says dig you will therefore dig many times deeper than you would for just god.
I have seen this many go through in a month before in one city. It is slowing down, don't let them kid you, they are clutching at straws and needing ever increasing donation from the ever dwindling pool. They dream of a good harvest; a fresh new crop of young people.
You, noble souls and free spirits, seekers of truth, and lovers of the human race, knowers of life, mind and the universe: you are responsible for protecting this generation: your own children and your children's friends, from the interminable knot of anguish this causes within, when one realises one has been duped: re: God.
Lp
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