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Angela, I'm sorry you went through that but not really surprised. We've known for years now that EV monitors the forum and that they are certainly into harrassment on any level they think they can effect. I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind answering: 1) Does EV still think you're "Premie Spouse"? 2) Do you know why they thought you were to begin with? 3) What did your husband tell them? 4) What does your husband think about EV and Rawat now? 5) What did EV say they wanted to do if and when they do find out who "Premie Spouse" is? Best of luck with this all. Hopefully, EV's gestapo techniques will help your husband see what he's affiliated with. Jim
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My husband is aware of my intention to post this; it is not a secret. If you have anything to say about it, contact me directly, not my husband. The forum owners have my e-mail. I have had quite enough of your messing around in my life and our marriage. If you want to talk to me, then talk to me.
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Hi Angela
Have you considered talking to the individual concerned about why he was so unthinkingly prepared to do this? I don't see EV as a monolithic organisation. Although I'm sure the Rawat inner circle & some of the higher management think they have a strategy to counteract the damaging information about him, I can't believe that really works very far down the line....if indeed there is a functioning line to go down.
You'll never get a response from these people, because as most of them are volunteers, they don't take any responsibilty for the body they are part of.
Very convenient.
On the other hand, I'd entirely understand if you never wanted to speak to him again.
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Hi Pat, That's an interesting observation. I don't know if I'd agree that EV's not monolithic, but I haven't had any contact with them for several years here in the states, so I can't really say. It occurred to me that it's very likely that Rawat's security team is doing some "advance work" by doing these "Premie-Spouse" inquiries, in preparation of the upcoming North Ameria events. Just a speculation, of course. From all accounts in the past few years, some premies get absolutely grilled upon entering an event, even if they have a smartcard. The L.A. program is this Sunday, 5/21, then Vancouver on 5/24, and Knoxville, Tennessee on 5/28.
Modified by Cynthia at Wed, May 17, 2006, 15:35:23
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Hi Cynthia,
'not monolithic' was a clumsy choice. What I meant was that it isn't a normal organisation, even though it tries to give the appearance of being one, & that the chronic secrecy means that the lower level operatives have zero understanding of Rawat's strategy, if he even knows what it is himself, bar desperate barn door closing .
I'm assuming that Angela's premie 'friend' is one such, & if so he needs to be told that such behaviour is completely unacceptable amongst civilised people, regardless of what his private religious beliefs might be.
Trying to hold EV accountable for something like this, one might as well try catching moonbeams.
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So sorry to hear what they have put you through, Angela. I don't know what to add, except to say there are some sharp brains, legal minds, friends etc. here who will do what they can, I am sure... Take care, Nige.
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Angela,I hope you don't mind but I fixed the formatting of your post. One part stood out for me:- The premie had decided that I am that poster and told my husband this. He told my husband that they, Elan Vital, have a “massive” stack of posts made by this person and that it includes every post the person ever made. He also insisted that my husband keep this information from me. In a cult, outsiders are outside, and cannot be trusted. By treating you as different and not deserving of this information, the premie has proven, if further proof were needed, that Rawat is the leader of a secretive cult. Thank you for your bravery in posting this, and I hope your husband recognises who has his real interests at heart. John (poster and forum admin)
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Yikes! THis is terrible! So much for the "divine, true love" that "knowledge" was supposed to be all about!!!!!! Only someone who's extremely sick or feels extremely paranoid could act like this. Any time I have even the slightest doubt about leaving this hideous cult, something like this is reported, and I can only thank my lucky stars that I had the sense to get out while I could, with my self still intact. I hope this shows anyone who's considering gettin in, that this is what is going on behind the sweet and seemimgly benign facade. Peace, indeed! Love, indeed! It's awful! And we are living in an age of democracy and freedom of speech? Not in Rawat's clutches you're not! Sorry this happened to you, Angela. And I hope it's a wake-up call for your husband, too. ~Shelagh
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Hi Angela, I'm so sorry you've become yet another victim of Elan Vital and Prem Rawat. It's a personality cult and yes, they monitor this forum and have for years. They have big thick files on every one of us, including the anonymous posters. I applaud your courage to make the post and were I in your shoes, I'd be quite angry too. Angry enough to perhaps seek legal advice. The premies who are Elan Vital monitors need to know that the service they do for Prem Rawat, by obsessively reading and copying the posts here, has hurt real people. A result of what those premie do every day of the week has been that you Angela, have been hurt, you husband, too --they've interferred with your marriage. I wonder how many other premie husbands have been grilled, warned, upset by Elan Vital, about their non-premie wives? How many marriages is Elan Vital interferring with as we speak in order to obsessively obtain the identity of Premie-Spouse? Cynthia
Modified by Cynthia at Tue, May 16, 2006, 20:23:37
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I just want to say thank you for having the guts to post about this. I think it is a very smart move, to counter secrecy and manipulation with such openness.
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Dear EV Monitor,
Here's one for your pile on that nasty piece of work, 13.
When you read what Angela has written, doesn't it tweak your conscience? Don't you wonder that maybe you are working for a cult after all? What would justify even sifting through these posts - if you know 'that peace within', just go ahead and enjoy it. Why bother your head with these missives from us disgruntled types?
Are you afraid that we might try to disrupt your cult's activities? Read the post below, about Jim's attempts years ago to hand out EPO flyers. We got a laugh out of it. No-one proposed doing anything of the sort again. We know what kind of reception we'd get ( we have all been on the other side, and many of us have looked on those poor bongos on the edge of things with pity and disdain - to our shame! ). What better can we do but make what information we have available, and be open to discussion about the issues around the cult? I think most of us are satisfied with that - our prosyletizing days are over.
When you point at us and call us a 'hate-group', just reflect on your paranoid activities here, and the unpleasant results as described by Angela, who isn't even a premie, and it seems, hasn't even posted here before.
Let's see if you can bring yourself to answer her questions - but it seems much more likely that you will just file this little comment away for future reference when poor 13 is unmasked as the evil hate-monger you imagine him/her to be!
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Its stories like these, that have been making people leave for decades
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...thank you for posting your story. It triggered memories of many abuses to myself and my family experienced as a consequence of my sincerely attempting to obey the directions of Mr Prem Rawat for many years. The organisations that this man created blew the smoke of motivational speaker, Lord of Love, giver of Inner Knowlege etc but have one objective. That objective is to direct individuals utilising various means of convincing and persuading to...... ...Surrender their lives to Mr Prem Rawat who has claimed to be the incarnate channel or mouthpeice of the Infinite. Your husband is probably suffering a confusing and painful split; finding himself wavering between his relationship with you and his relationship with Mr Rawat. The conditions set by Mr Rawat are absolute and any wavering is ingrained as frought with the perils of cosmic downfall and betrayal of the incarnated Lord. Please tell your husband that I and many others have seen through the deception of Mr Rawat and have not suffered the threatened ills or suggested perils of turning ones back on him. Some of us that post here have chosen to remain anonymous not from shyness but from caution in dealing the attempted total obedience to Mr Rawat by his followers which free them to act as protectors of the faith protected by "The Grace of Mr Rawat". I suspect that Mr Rawat is rightly concerned that he does not know all who have deserted his "Court of Love" and will willingly expose him and those that that choosen to defend him and propagate his message/s. Best to you both and to you all who have put care and energy into creating and maintaining these forums of exposure and to all the posters whose words assist us who are recovering and may catch the attention those who are still attempting a perilous surrender. turey, once mad... ...now starting to get pissed!
Modified by turey at Wed, May 17, 2006, 05:20:01
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....I herebye give notice that I have no hate for Mr Rawat or his devotees and would consider it an insult to myself and a lie to be classified by you as being part of a hate group. I sympathise with your dilema as these confronting words may instill the emotion of hate in yourselves. I can suggest methods of transforming these hurtful emotions but will not attempt this with "The Lord of The Universe" looking over your shoulder. turey channeling myself.
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....I herebye give notice that I have no hate for Mr Rawat or his devotees and would consider it an insult to myself and a lie to be classified by you as being part of a hate group. The problem I have with this comment is that it seems to assume that hating someone or something would, in fact, make one a likely member of a hate group. My view is that it's perfectly okay to hate people or things if they deserve it -- to me, Rawat most certainly does -- but that hate groups are something else altogether, that the term "hate group" designates an irrational, often dangerous, group of people with dark prejudices such as the Klan.
Modified by Jim at Wed, May 17, 2006, 15:15:26
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I'm not denying the right to hate Jim. Nor encouraging its exploration. I've tried to crank up what I think is hate towards Mr Rawat and his crew Jim but end up more with something akin to pity and embarrasment for the little man and his flock. Yes, memories of various unkindnesses and wickedness do stir emotions of anger. I consider hatred to be an extreme and I'll report back if the experience ever engulfs me. Is it something like sustained 'anger gone wild'? However EV has defined a hate group, I stated that I consider it an insult to myself to be included in it. They can file me in the loose cannon department. I do not consider the act of hating to qualify one to be a member of a hate group unless one directs that hatred in an organised fashion in the company of like minded haters that single out special types of people for undeserved unpleasant treatment. Come to think of it dear premies and you ev monitor/s, how many of you hate those who have turned their backs on Mr Rawat? turey the derailed Howitzer.
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I think you've hit the nail, with your last para. Turey.
Hate is a difficult word to define. To dislike intensely?
In terms of the lack of compassion or humanitarian concern in the processes invented by rawat and his team.
A more accurate description for their attitude to the individual member of the human race, would be lengthy:-
Perhaps:-
A planned intention to use each individual as a means, to reach each other individual, and convince them to feel
permanently and obsessively in obeisance to rawat;
So that they will take on themselves as their new collective identity, the secret will and intention to be a
mindless servant of rawat, relinquishing all normal human feelings of love or loyalty, and focussing all these
only upon him; surrendering willingly to all traps for ourselves and others he has devised, or will in the future
devise, and assisting in leading others to these traps.
And clearly, it also means going, quite angrily, after any who escape, or even those who, somehow,
narrowly avoid the traps but are just nearby. Perhaps it means also to be an "agent of darkness" for him.
The determined intention to go on proselytizing a message, after it has been shown to have harmful after effects,
or significant evidence is raised to show its claims to be false, is conceived in a dangerous fantasy world.
To continue in this brain strong conviction that such ideas are right or true, and to disregard the evidence,
or the individuals who will be needed to make the plan a reality, as if they were mere numbers,
with more numbers in their precious pockets; is madness! or cold, ruthless profiteering.
Even that is not hate because it is unformed, as regards an individual target.
A general contempt for the human race seems to roll nicely off the keyboard though. Add to that the strange
blind 'hate' that comes from fear: a very real fear that words could bring down an empire; and for one
which is built so haphazardly on soft substrate, an understandable one.
So, contempt, plus, fear-inspired loathing.. you know Turey, you could be right, they don't like us much.
We are indignant, concerned, and passingly angry, but mostly if I pick one word again, I'd say we were sad.
If I may generallize, I'd say we don't hate him personally as much as we hate what he does
and what he stands for and the effect he has had on the lives of ourselves and people we love.
And I believe we are motivated more from a compassionate and informed concern for the safety
of the human race and the growth of human knowledge, than any personal "axes we may have to grind"
over our own memories and experiences. I can only speak for myself here but if I try to find in my heart
what I am feeling. It is a heartbreaking love for A.N Other, Joe Blow, Jane Doe, the next guy/chick
who's unlucky enough to be standing at the bus stop, or turning the corner, and bumping into a gungho,
new premie, straight out of a DVD, and the whole thing
start again for another member of my beloved race of humankind.
It is a kind of kind feeling, a feeling
that makes a tear appear, at any age,
when you see a child drop its ice cream,
regardless of colour, class or crede,
it is basic humanity. This
is what I am filled with, love, finally.
Overflowing concern for every single
member of our humankind. "R?
Leave you and your trip alone? we can't!."
Some people have eyes to see the wells
which other people might fall down,
and call out to warn them as they pass.
Our eyes see these wells, and though
they are well disguised, we, even old now,
can sit by the well and warn others:
Others who do not, as yet have eyes to
see these well disguised wells.
Thus we continue to be of some use.
Peering to see; is how I have to be
through years of tears, to not step
into the, oh so easy trap, of merely
hating. No. but if fear, finally colours
dislike, so that it seemed almost
like hate. It would be fear for
any single innocent, hapless
member of our human race
who next just happened by.
Learning Patience
Modified by LP at Thu, May 18, 2006, 04:46:04
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We are indignant, concerned, and passingly angry, but mostly if I pick one word again, I'd say we were sad. Sad and mad. PatW (over on Wikipedia) said that ex-premies are not a hate-group, but a hurt-group. That fits well, because coming out of the mangled mess of a cultic belief-system of person-worship many of us were profoundly hurt by Prem Rawat. And while there are premies who indeed, perform Rawat's dirty deeds for him and it's morally wrong, like the EV monitors and honchos who got that premie (in loyalty and obedience to Maharaji) to approach Angela's husband in order to get him to somehow confess to something, the ultimate responsibility for that behavior lies at Prem Rawat's feet. I cannot imagine being a premie working at EV with the service of monitoring this forum to collect information on "the enemies," which is then collated into thick dossiers, as if they're Soviet KGB agents conducting the Cold War in secret. They do need to know it's wrong and reprensible behavior, but ultimately it's Maharaji's responsibility as their leader, guide, teacher, Lord, to show them what it means to be a moral, loving person, and what it means to do actual humanitarian deeds towards other human beings, not the opposite. Then now, remembering all the wrongheaded things I did while around Maharaji, I see the trap in which he's placed his premies. They too like we do, must know they can escape his trap. Maharaji's repugnant backlash towards me and others, in fact, has be the catalyst by which I dig my heels in deeper to continue to discuss this issue online in public. IMO, that is the way to take the highest road in this argument, not to give in to the immense pressure of a personality cult leader's paranoia. Of all the characteristics of destructive cults one criterion listed by the experts that I never thought applied to Rawat/EV, is "confession." Never thought that applied. But, now I see how confession is used by Prem Rawat as a means of manipulation and coercion to keep premies loyal and in fear, and to punish those who leave loudly. In this case, it's pressuring Angela's husband -- "confess that your wife criticizes Maharaji" -- and even more disturbing, John MacGregor's affidavit where he confessed his "sins" against Rawat, by allying himself with the ex-premies. Make no mistake, MacGregor was not punished for taking computer documents with Tom Gubler. I believe that John was punished for writing the very public expose about Maharaji. All these things are chilling to the bone, but they don't make me more fearful of Maharaji or premies. If anything, all of his backlash gives me more courage to be honest. Cynth
Modified by Cynthia at Thu, May 18, 2006, 07:20:25
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There was confession to things that weren't true contained in vows we were required to say, like
"I am weak and ignorant and am filled with the impurities of this world. Oh Guru Maharaji, please take my mind and purge me of the impurities I possess. ... uplift me ... Bring me from hate to love, from darkness to light ..."
<a href="http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/KSession.htm">DLM Knowledge Sessions</a>
There was also self-degrading false statements we were pressured into saying like "you are so big and I am so small", "I am the dust...", etc.
There was also the false confessions involved with Rawat's "trainings".
The same basic mindset continues today in statements like "Thank you Maharaji the ultimate provider of joy", as if people by themselves don't have joy and as if "non-premies" don't have any joy.
<a href="http://pwkindia.bravejournal.com/">TPI-traveling peoples innitiativ</a> (sic)
You're right, "confession" is a big part of it, it's the flip-side of the false glorification of the leader, in this case Prem Rawat.
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A planned intention to use each individual as a means, to reach each other individual, and convince them to feel
permanently and obsessively in obeisance to raw at;
So that they will take on themselves as their new collective identity, the secret will and intention to be a
mindless servant of raw at, relinquishing all normal human feelings of love or loyalty, and focusing all these
only upon him; surrendering willingly to all traps for ourselves and others he has devised, or will in the future
devise, and assisting in leading others to these traps.
And clearly, it also means going, quite angrily, after any who escape, or even those who, somehow,
narrowly avoid the traps but are just nearby. Perhaps it means also to be an "agent of darkness" for him. As I was reading your post I noted that this description is one of the best descriptions for that mythological creature a "Zombie". Hey any low budget movie-makers out there: I just got a hit about a cult that turns people into Zombies, could be hilarious! Probably the most effective way of getting a message out as well! We could write the screen play here, edit it as a group, then see if we can get somebody to shoot it.........Imagine: See Fakiranand with his hammer, shudder with horror as GuruCharanad squeezes the life out of unsuspecting people and turns them ---ZOMBIE! 
Stephen B
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There's one thing that particularly strikes me about this quixotic quest by Elan Vital to discover the identity of "premie spouse". What possible reason could they have to want to know? Unless I've been missing an awful lot, premie spouse does not appear to have any inside information about any possible nefarious activities by Prem Rawat and co. All that I can remember from premie spouse's posts is that many of the premies in her husband's/his wife's community (I think she's a wife but I'm not sure) are poor because of their obsessive quest for darshan and that they're a pretty miserable lot overall.
Well, they'd to have silence a lot of people if they want that information to remain secret.
Do you think that maybe, just maybe, they're concerned about the unhappiness they've caused her/him and want to make it up to her/him?
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Ocker,I agree - Premie Spouse hasn't, to my knowledge, posted anything that justifies collecting all her posts and trying to find out who she is. The only reason I can think of for EV wanting to trace her is so they can tell her premie husband that she's posting, and maybe intimidate her to stop posting. But as she only posts occasionally, what possible benefit to Rawat would be achieved by this? Bizarre.
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Back when I was around the WPC was a bunch of Barney Fife types who wouldn't get hired to guard a dog house. I am sure by now the same type of person is thinking they are in the CIA or something. What a crock! All of Premiedom is full of people running away from life in various ways. This is evidence of one more.......I guarantee you it never occurred to them that they might actually affect real people in a real way. These people are living a cartoon!
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I'd imagine that Elan Vital thinks that in some way Premie Spouse undermines their whole story of how they portray ex-premies. After all premie spouse was never a premie and therefore can not be a disgruntled hate filled ex-student. This is more so as when premie spouse does post here she speaks very clearly and forcefully against Rawat and the impact he, and his 'teachings', has on people's real lives. After all she is in a very good position to know. But I guess that Elan Vital has only half-formed ideas in their collective head, they probably just 'feel' that they need to do 'something' against Rawat's detractors. Like they did with Will, JohnT, JohnM, the CAC site, their DMCA attacks and probably a dozen more things that I presently forget. Elan Vital are like a one-celled organism twitching in the swamps. What they have done to Angela disgusts me. T
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Perhaps they intended to make an example of her to send a warning to the rest of us.
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Why would EV want to trace Premie Spouse? I don't think they do, apart from just general nosiness. I think this is all to do with keeping alive the myth that ex-premies are a 'hate' group. The myth that the on-line ex-premies are a few hateful, disgruntled, obsessive people - this is put about to try and keep premies from reading EPO and here, which works fairly well. Just how badly that idea affected Angela's husband proves this. It proves that this place is seen as something very bad for premies. Otherwise he would have just shrugged it off, talked to his wife, and told the premie to take a hike. But he didn't, it upset him very deeply.To help perpetuate this myth, and to make it more 'real', premies are assigned various services, such as monitors and/or Secret Police type investigators, whose job it is to identify anonymous posters. And, yes, it is very bizarre, and very pathetic too, and I'm surprised more premies don't seem to understand this. EV should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for their treatment of Angela and her husband. EV are such hypocrites! Maharaji has always said that if you point a finger at some one else, you have 3 pointing back at yourself. Ex-premies are free to point fingers as we don't follow M any more, so we don't have to take notice of anything he says, but the EV website is utterly hypocritical, by calling us a hate group. Particularly as the 'knowledge' is meant to bring peace within - you'd think they'd be beyond this petty name-calling, because they would be feeling so peaceful. Premies are NOT good examples of knowledge that is meant to bring peace, if they behave like this. And to behave in such a hurtful and underhand way towards Angela and her husband is despicable. Why are EV afraid of on-line ex-premies? What exactly are afraid of? The info on EPO is factual, and if that's a problem for Maharaji, then may be he could do better to question his own ethics and moral standards, instead of continuing to cheat and deceive premies. M&EV are not open and honest with us, they do not communicate with us. EV has put up a brick wall of silence to this forum, yet behind the scenes they scurry around doing untold harm. Also, EV pay a lot of money to a very expensive Public Relations company here in the UK, to take care of things like creating an image of M for the general public, advertising on the London underground etc. This company has told EV that they should address the complaints of ex-premies on the internet. That they should talk to us, open up dialogue with us, answer our questions. Maharaji, despite paying this company a lot of money for their professional advice, still refuses to do this. M is the master of cheat and deceipt, to his premies. As this is normal, standard behaviour for him now, the treatment of Angela and her husband, sadly comes as no surprise. The fact is that this forum is a place where premies and expremies can express themselves, and can do so openly and sincerely. Reading here has helped me enormously to come to terms with the info on EPO, which previously I knew nothing about.
Modified by Stardust at Thu, May 18, 2006, 08:37:31
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Stardust Great post. You said: Also, EV pay a lot of money to a very expensive Public Relations company here in the UK, to take care of things like creating an image of M for the general public, advertising on the London underground etc. This company has told EV that they should address the complaints of ex-premies on the internet. That they should talk to us, open up dialogue with us, answer our questions. Maharaji, despite paying this company a lot of money for their professional advice, still refuses to do this.
I had no doubt that Rawat and Elan Vital pay for public relations advice, however I think this is the first time I have heard of it such specific terms. Do you have any more details? Such as the name of the UK public relations company and also when that company gave the specific advice that a dialogue should be opened up with ex-premies. I think that advice is actually very good advice and hope that Rawat and his organisations will change their minds. However I don't think that Rawat will do so any time soon. For example JHB has for some years now openly invited Rawat and his organisations to give details on factual errors contained on EPO. They have, so far as I know, failed to do so, rather they have sought to close down EPO through harrasement such as the DMCA attacks. T
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I'll email you about this T as my source is confidential, and given this thread, it's hardly surprising.
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I loved this line which honestly made me laugh out loud and put the little man and his sorry cult into perspective Ex-premies are free to point fingers as we don't follow M any more, so we don't have to take notice of anything he says I would add "Na na na na na" Remember that devotional song " At the feet of the Master". Waiting the word of the Master
Watching the Hidden Light
Listening to catch His Orders
In the very midst of the fight
I'm listening to catch His Orders
In the very midst of the fight Seeing His slightest signal
Across the head of the throng
Hearing His faintest whisper
Above earth's loudest song.
I'm hearing His faintest whisper
Above earth's loudest song. At the Feet of the master
Well you can really let it go
Let it flow
Cause we're all love
We're all love
We're all love, love, love
By His grace Back | 
Prem Rawat's brother, Bhole Ji, inspiring and leading Blue Aquarius |
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I didn't think of that sentence as being funny, until you pointed out the funny side! And you're right about the "na na na na na"So, to M and his stupid cult: I don't listen to you any more, and don't have to take notice of any stupid things you say ever again!!
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I think I used to know you,didn't I ? Anyhow,at the risk of labouring the point, I just need the light hearted humour about it all so much. If premies started hassling me about posting here , it really would affect me. I can't understand why they are peculiarly incensed about Premie-Spouse .I have remarked however, that her posts reveal somebody wonderfully objective ,detached ,to the point and blatantly truthful in a way the we brainfogged ex-premies may find it hard to be. I am trying to break away from that fear and belief ,and the humour really helps. I loved that "At the feet of the Master" song and sung it with all my heart.That's why your simple and defiant statement ,which cut right across those sentiments was brill. Yeah,I don't follow him anymore either........I'm free I'm free I'm free
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Hi Angela, I've written in a post above (called The Master of Cheat and Deceipt) the reasons why I think this happened. But I just wanted to say that I was sorry to read about your experience. I'm glad that this forum offered you a place where you could freely express your anger and disgust, and also, thanks for the warning. I would imagine that all non-premies who are married to premies are under 'suspicion'. Nothing less than a full, unreserved apology from EV, is due to you and your husband, for this appalling behaviour, and I hope you receive this very soon - if not already. Stardust
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"Nothing less than a full, unreserved apology from EV, is due to you and your husband, for this appalling behaviour, and I hope you receive this very soon - if not already."A close friend recently won a case against a corporation that behaved in a similar deceptive manner as EV.
When the award was being settled, all she really wanted was an apology. The corporation refused and had to make a payout sunstantially higher than they would have had to make if they'de made the apology.
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Rawat's ego! The premies are in a cult and are just doing as they've been told. They are obeying their lord and master. Of course that doesn't excuse their bad behaviour, especially when extreme, but it helps to explain it. But if Rawat clicked his fingers today and radically changed the attitude and approach to on-line expremies, the premies would have to follow suit. Just imagine Rawat encouraging understanding and tolerance!............Nah, won't happen. He's a cult leader and he knows that besotted premies will obey his every wish and command. He tells them what to think - e.g. "ex-premie forums are bad, and they're all members of a hate group" - and the premies believe him!! Incredible. It's all down to Rawat.
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Premie Spouse, Are you still out there? How're you doing? I hope this attempt to ruin your life hasn't stopped you from having a great day. Seriously, though, it would be such a drag if the cult muzzled you this way. They haven't, have they?
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I just got back home and found this post. I can't describe the feelings, fear and anger that have been running through me the past hour or so. My mind, (yes, Goober-raji, my mind still works. I didn't surrender it to you.) is absolutely swirling with questions (didn't Goober-raji rattle on about a 'river of questions'? Who knew he was actually the cause of them?) I've got to process this more and then try and respond.
But, first, thank you, Angela, for posting this. I can only imagine, but I can imagine it pretty good, what you have been through.
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