Reinhart Hummel on the young Rawat/ Maharaji
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Andries ®

04/09/2006, 17:56:23
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"Maharaj Ji could become the symbol of the longing to the messianic child due to his age."

from Reinhart Hummel "Indische Mission und neue Froemmigkeit im Westen" Kohlhammer Stuttgart 1980 (German language)

Two question. Is this true? (it personally strikes me as true) and does somebody have the book? I cannot procure, let alone find it.

Thanks in advance. Andries





Related link: Another article by Dr. Hummel, among others about the DLM

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04/10/2006, 09:37:47
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I don't recall any particular significance being attached to rawat's young age, though there were a few prophecies about "a child shall lead them" that were sometimes bandied about.  More importance was given to the fact that he was uneducated, as this was taken to show that the answer to both the world's and the individual's problems would not come from the mind, the intellect or from experts.

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Nik ®

04/10/2006, 10:53:14
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My experience in 1972 to 1975 when Rawat's age was in, any objective, still an issue, was that the general sense among premies was the he was 'ageless.

 In retrospect I think that this 'ageless' conception was a convienient denial of a very real problem - that being that thousands of adults were giving up personal responsibility on the basis that a poorly educated and ill prepared adolescent was somehow going to 'fill the responsibility gap'.

I also think that, at the level of a group psychology, the young Rawat did fulfil the 'child god' symbol for western premies brought up in a Christian culture. How much any of us accepted that at a concious level is a moot point, but I wouldn't disagree with an approach that invoked an 'unconcious' acceptance of the child go symbolism.

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04/10/2006, 14:44:29
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Author: Hummel, Reinhart.
Publication: Stuttgart ; Berlin ; Köln ; Mainz : Kohlhammer, 1980

Document: German; 
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Premie_Spouse ®

04/10/2006, 14:49:50
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I found the book, Andries.  If you want to e-mail me, I can let you know more.

Premie_Spouse at yahoo.com






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I think that's a blind alley, Andries.
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Nigel ®

04/10/2006, 15:44:22
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Rawat was an adult when I joined, and so was he.  I don't believe the cult dynamics were any different in my day than they had been a few years earlier.  The last thing I was looking for was a Messianic Child.  The very thought would have been enough to put me off.

And I don't value the 'academic' opinions of outsiders - as this guy seems to be - any more than I value the 'academic' opinions of Ron Geaves.  At least Geaves, at some level, must know he's twiddling a bit with the truth.  Outsiders, however objective they're hoping to be, will never be able to 'get it', ie., the inner hook that drives cult devotees onwards.  To understand you need to have been a part of it, otherwise you'll just end up with these silly clever-sounding analyses and phrases that don't say anything useful or mean diddly.







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Ocker ®

04/10/2006, 16:04:27
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Hi Andries,

Like most people in their 50's I had a semblance
of a Christian education but any concept I may have had of the Christ
child certainly didn't have any resemblance to the young guru I was
told about in the early 70's. Humans are strange and complex creatures
and some premies may have made that emotional connection but it can't
have been too many. Many premies in those days said Guru Maharaji was
beautiful and glowing, the Shakespeare quote: "The lady doth protest
too much, methinks" would come to my mind
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He came to "blow our concepts."
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04/10/2006, 17:00:59
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This particular part of cult ideology was often used to explain away Maharaji's many deficiencies, like how obsessively material he was, for example.

Anyhow, in the early 70s, Maharaji's young age was used for two things:  1) one was how remarkable that somebody so young could do so much and be so powerful and wise (yikes), and 2) that most of us were looking for an older, learned leader to come as the messiah, and instead he came as a kid, and the whole point is to blow our concepts so we would get out of our minds and have an "experience."

Something like that.







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LP ®

04/10/2006, 17:12:18
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the ultimate optimist 






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Nik ®

04/11/2006, 02:53:51
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Yes Joe - that's what I remember. Lots and lots of satsang from the leading lights in the UK Mission featured that kind of stuff, it was very much part of the premie 'paradigm'.

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