Revisionism is Verbal Abuse
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Joy ®

03/16/2006, 19:51:03
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In trying to understand why this revisionism thing that Rawat and his premies try to pull off bothers me so much, it occurred to me that revisionism, i.e. denial of what happened in the past, is a form of verbal abuse.

Patricia Evans outlines 15 categories of verbal abuse in her book The Verbally Abusive Relationship (highly recommended for anybody who thinks they may experience this in their life).  The three categories that seem to fit this situation are:

Countering -- Countering basically tells a person that what they say or think isn't so.  Maharaji and the premies are "countering" the ex's experiences of what happened in the past by saying it wasn't that way, or just plain didn't happen.  Countering empowers the perpetrator and diminishes the self-worth of the victim.

Blaming - M is blaming the mahatmas and the premies for manufacturing claims of his divinity, thereby avoiding any responsibility himself.  Blaming is a major category of abuse, because it switches the dynamic around where the perpetrator is now in control, and the victim is invalidated (double-whammy).

Discounting - M and the premies are discounting the ex's experiences, saying they weren't what they were, and were less important, apparent or significant than they were.

All types of verbal abuse seek to empower the abuser, and put down or humiliate the receiver.  So, my interpretation, according to these guidelines, of what whitewashing is, is that it is a form of verbal abuse.  As if the whole cult experience wasn't enough, he has to continue to insult us by being abusive on top of everything else.  His abusive nature has been talked about more than once, I believe, but this revisionism thing really smacks of it to me, also.

So, not only does he not apologize for past behavior, he actively continues such types of behaviour by being verbally abusive to anyone who speaks the truth about his divinity claims.  This is one of the reasons it gets under my skin so much, as oftentimes verbal abuse is not apparent, you just know something is wrong but can't quite put your finger on it.  Then when it does become clear, you go "aha!"  That's why it's really important to have things like Mike's article, and the articles on EPO to document and chronicle exactly what happened, and exactly who was (and is) in charge of it all.

Premies, by defending Maharaji's whitewash claims, are taking on the role of becoming abusers in his stead, and that's a tragedy.







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Re: Revisionism doesn't bother me
Re: Revisionism is Verbal Abuse -- Joy Top of thread Archive
Posted by:
Ocker ®

03/16/2006, 21:04:42
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If anything, Rawatism revisionism makes me feel better. The only thing that would really concern me about Rawatism is if it turned out that he really did have the Divine Knowledge and that all the premies really had been experiencing incredible bliss for the past 25 years since I stopped practising. Sure it looks like they're just going through the motions in most cases and it hardly seems worth the trouble for the odd blissful darshan.

So all the lies and deceit convince me, not that I needed further convincing, that I made the right choice back in the 80's when I decided that DLM was just a cult and the techniques of meditation were just low grade techniques and the problems and confusion within the cult were not the result of faults in the premies but faults in the Knowledge.

That might be why premies like Julie irritate me. Ordinarily the premies I know don't try to outbliss me cause I'm a pretty happy guy and when you've known people for decades they won't usually try to bullshit you about how incredible their experience is because you know them pretty well, you've seen their ups and downs and they know you know.

But sometimes you meet premies who don't know you and sometimes you meet premies as oblivious to everything as Julie. Then they give you the most appalling, simplistic, embarassing 'satsang' and what are you going to do? I'm not the sort of person who will tell even the most obnoxiously shallow gopi what I think of their shitsang to their face. I can't cope with peoples' personal distress and so I'm left trying to counter their assertive brashsang with reserved and minor and hedged arguments and feeling like you'd really like to throw a huge cream pie into their stupid, ignorant face but you're too nice a person to do something nasty.

That really irritates me and thank goodness it hardly ever happens any more these days.






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Re: Revisionism doesn't bother me
Re: Re: Revisionism doesn't bother me -- Ocker Top of thread Archive
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Steve ®

03/17/2006, 10:39:30
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So all the lies and deceit convince me, not that I needed further convincing, that I made the right choice back in the 80's when I decided that DLM was just a cult and the techniques of meditation were just low grade techniques and the problems and confusion within the cult were not the result of faults in the premies but faults in the Knowledge. 

Yes Ocker, I totally agree.  To me, the revisionism is so amateurish, so blatant, so despicable and downright insulting to my intelligence, that it helped me to quickly and easily exit the cult.  They did me a favor really.  It was the push (or should I say shove) I needed, after years of sitting on the fence. 

I value the techniques of meditation and still use them but I would never go back to that nutty organization.  It’s soooo much cleaner to be free of all that stupidity.






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But Wiki is trying to turn the revision into history
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03/17/2006, 11:41:51
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The revisionism doesn't bother me but Wiki does
Re: But Wiki is trying to turn the revision into history -- Neville B Top of thread Archive
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03/17/2006, 15:09:40
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For me, the revisionism was the last straw that allowed me to make the break. Wiki is something else.

See aunt bea's post in the link that has already been commandeered by Mike. 





Related link: http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/posts/3708.html

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The revisionism is lying, Wikipedia is impotent...
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Cynthia ®

03/17/2006, 15:42:06
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My life remains uneffected by the revisionism and Wiki.  But, lies are lies. 

No one should get away with maintaining their wealth based upon lies, especially when people have sacrificed their lives to provide that wealth to Prem Rawat.

If there is something like sin, then Prem Rawat has committed all the major sins.  He lives off the lives of those who loved him the most.  We have a right to be angry about that, and Captain Rawat owes those ex-premies even more: thosewho now struggle with their health and financially in life.  No one can convince me otherwise. 

Prem Rawat's abuses go far beyond Wikipedia, which is minor compared to his abuses that cut deep into the hearts and bodies of his ex-premies.  Not everyone gets a financial settlement! 

Cynthia






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Re: Revisionism is Verbal Abuse
Re: Revisionism is Verbal Abuse -- Joy Top of thread Archive
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shelagh ®

03/17/2006, 09:17:46
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Thanks Joy!  I think you've hit the nail on the head here!  There's nothing more crazy-making than someone who thinks they can deny what you KNOW you've seen and experienced!

It's like the folks who tried to deny that the holocaust ever happened!  As if it wasn't bad enough that so many millions had to suffer that--to throw revisionism in the face of the survivors is the cruelest, most self-serving thing I can think of!

I know this is a pretty extrem comparison--but the denial of our own reality in any shape or form has the same effect, as you so well describe.

That we can share and find validation here on epo is a very sane thing!

Thanks everyone!

~Shelagh







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