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Hello Ocker. Tell u more ok. i met Derek in a restaurant named "The Good Karma" and thats where i heard about Maharaji and the knowledge he had to offer me. derek said to me that evening, if your ever looking for a love that depends on no one or nothing, its inside you and Maharaji can show you how to go there, says he to me, naturally i was interested! i checked it out, got knowledge and have practised it ever since! Satsang Service and Meditation is what i understood to do. Satsang just simply ment telling other people from my own experience! Service just ment doing anything to help bring peace, service is an experience of Love, its not what you do, its where your at when you do it! Meditation just simply practising and thats what im into and am eternally grateful to Maharaji! I know what I know about Maharaji and its all good! I have no complaints and dont comment on anything I know nothing about! I have heard so many things about different people at times and i dont like that, ide prefer to hear from the accused first, at least they can speak for themselves! im very glad u found the ushers obedient premies over the decades, thats very good for you, just like i have always found Maharaji to be the Perfect Master! what would u like to know about me Maharaji and the well behaved ushers u knew, and those Ladies u refer too the Gopies who wouldnt do what the boys were ordering them to do! Naughty Gopies only obeying the Master, how naughty. I have always practised the knowledge Maharajis way! Service is an experience of Love! love and Jai Sat Chit Anand, "Truth is the conciousness of Love. Julie x
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you're just taking the piss, basically. Go spew it where it will be lapped up, this is the WRONG place. Are you really that thick? And don't send me your love ...in fact, don't even reply....just find some Rawat lovers who don't give a shit about his revisionism and don't mind still being in a personality cult.
Modified by Dermot at Thu, Mar 16, 2006, 20:22:24
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ok Dermot no post for u as requested im far from thick let me assure you, and surely ur not either!do take care of yourself and continue to think posative about yourself, that way it will help u to think posative about others! Good Luck and God Bless You. Peace Julie
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More patronising bollox from you.
Since when are you able to dispense what you think you know Dermot needs?
In fact what makes you assume you can say to anyone what you think they need?
Especially since you go on about how it's all a personal experience, you do have rather too many patronising little feel good phrases to throw at people as though they are universals.
I guess your relationship with the perfect gentleman has set you up as a mini guru.
So oh wise one what other pearls of wisdom should we know?
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Have you read the first-hand, eyewitness accounts there? If not, why not? Neville B
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From way down below, Julie responded to a post I made to Ocker about Jai Sat Chit Anand and his translation and explanation. I asked if he could translate my version: Jai Cat Shit Anand. Julie filled me in on the "correct" translation of the standard Jai Sat Whatever, as if I'd not heard it four thousand times. Here is my reply to Julie: "No, Julie, I said "Jai Cat Shit Anand". Much more appropriate to ANY discussion of his lardship."
Also, you and your posts are about to make me puke, so bugger off.
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Ok, I know Ocker has been a naughty boy in reposting your words of wisdom & using them to start a new thread, but no matter.
The thing is you rose to his bait, & with a rehashed version of something you wrote a couple of weeks ago no less.
Why?
Could it be that you hope to rekindle the flame of devotion in the lost souls who post & read here. Maybe you feel just a little bit superior in the safety of your blind faith, to those of us who regard Rawat as a charlatan with absolutely nothing to offer anyone. Can you disentangle the strands of your life in this cult, so that you can come to some sort of understanding of what it was all about.
I think you don't care. Your consciousness hasn't been raised by your involvement with GMJ. Quite the contrary...........you're stuck with the vanity of the unexamined mind.
There's got to be a lila in that somewhere, dontcha think.
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Hello Pat, Could it be that you hope to rekindle the flame of devotion in the lost souls who post & read here. Maybe you feel just a little bit superior in the safety of your blind faith, to those of us who regard Rawat as a charlatan with absolutely nothing to offer anyone. You nailed it. Julie's got a Savior Complex. Projection? lol. She wants all of us exes to "not worry, be happy" and to go back to the lotus feet. I don't think she knows this, but that's what she's about. Fat chance, but she tries. If only she knew what she sounds like. Can you disentangle the strands of your life in this cult, so that you can come to some sort of understanding of what it was all about. Sure she can, if she learns how to talk to people in a normal, real world way. So far, her spiritual ego is keeping her afloat here. If something someone says threatens her cocoon, she'll be history on this board. So sad. Oh, and Happy St. Paddy's Day. May the curse of Mary Malone and her nine blind illegitimate children chase you so far over the hills of Damnation that the Lord himself can't find you with a telescope. Irish Curse
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I notice she's refusing to deal with anything substantial. Once a thread gets too challenging she just quits posting. Neville B
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Hello Neville, Im not refusing to deal with anything substantial, as far as im concerned Neville whatever anyone has to say is substancial, doesnt mean that im of the same opinion> No tread is too challenging, i will answer any question honestly from my own experience only! Im not into talking about people behind their backs, that wouldnt be fair as far as im concerned and dont u agree with that Neville. Put anything y want to me Neville, but dont be expexting me to agree with things people tell me about others without that person whos being accused being able to speak for themselves! That would be an unfair hearing Neville and thats not my style. take care Julie x
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Maharaji CAN speak for himself in this debate. In fact, he has made many accusations against people like us, so if you want to be FAIR you MUST follow the links we've provided and read our side of the story. Have you followed the link JHB provided and read Maharaji's own words there? Have you followed the links Stardust provided and read the first hand testimony there? Or are you too scared? Neville B
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I recall the mindset you mention, but there were men involved as well, I guess they are called "gopes" or something like that. I remember the security and usher people at festivals who doggedly tried to do their service and do things like "keep the aisles clear," and prevent people from moving to the front. Thankless job to be sure. There is a real arrogance in people who are so sure they are true devotees, and although they talk peace and flowers, it's really quite aggressive, and, frankly, I pick up a lot of the same arrogance and (passive) aggression in Julie's posts. I recall a Guru Puja festival in 1978 in Tucson, at which a premie I knew took off all her clothes and stormed the stage when Rawat was blathering on about TV commercials, or cars or something. I recall Rawat got really pissed because he watched as she made it almost to the base of the stage before somebody nabbed her. What was it about people who felt this need to be "near" Rawat's corpulent body? I think it's that they are seeking reassurance and recognition, and hoping that it will give them the juice for their otherwise empty lives. It's really sick, when you think about it. Actually, I think that's what festivals were all about. As premies, we needed the reassurance of Maharaji and a few thousand other people that this thing really is real, when, in fact, you have zero evidence for its veracity, truth, or anything else in your own life. Being at af festival can release the tension that builds in your rational mind which is trying to tell you what a crock it all is, and how you are in a cult. It takes energy to repress that, and at a festival it was possible to be bouyed by the vibe and feel some relief. Remember how we all vowed to keep "that understanding" from dissipating after we got home, and how it never happened? Then, you just had to hope for the next one.
Modified by Joe at Fri, Mar 17, 2006, 13:45:13
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"Being at af festival can release the tension that
builds in your rational mind which is trying to tell you what a crock
it all is, and how you are in a cult."
I think you're extrapolating too much from your own experience. While you can never get into another person's mind, I'm pretty sure that there are thousands of premies who never were troubled by doubts to the extent you were, Julie for example. Maybe someone who lasted 30 years would be a better person to make pronouncements about this than a 7 yearer like yourself. On the other hand there were far more 7 yearers than 30 yearers.
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Maybe someone who lasted 30 years would be a better person to make pronouncements about this than a 7 yearer like yourself. On the other hand there were far more 7 yearers than 30 yearers.I am a 30 yearer, and I think Joe has it just right. That is the mindset he describes of most committed premies I am sure. I am off to bed, otherwise I would rant for a long post about that mindset of being desperate for Maharaji's personal attention. And yes, Joe, it is clearly because all the other stuff just fails, or we were not good enough at it, that a boost from a festival was all there was left. -- Mike
www.MikeFinch.com
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But I don't get the impression from reading your posts and your site that your rational mind was trying to tell you what a crock it all is all the time. I thought you believed in the whole Rawatism spiel for at least 25 of those years. Many premies seemed to buy the early Indian spiel lock, stock and beragon and didn't need to bother with leaving no room for doubt in their mind cause really they had no doubts. They had doubts about their ability to practise Knowledge enough and doubts about loving Guru Maharaji enough and being surrendered enough but no doubts about the worldview.
I was such a Doubting Thomas I can't even understand how I got involved in the first place but you were Shri Michael, weren't you? We used to call full-on believers 'Shris' pronounced shreez in Oztralia or gopis for the ones who wouldn't obey peer pressure and act in a reasonable manner like Julie and her refusal to accept agya about sitting in the front row.
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Most of the premies I knew well were ashram premies, so maybe that is a skewed sample, but the vast majority of premies I knew were quite unhappy most of the time, and were quite troubled by rational thoughts and doubts -- at least they said they were [insert a litany of complaints about their minds, desires, confusions, lack of understanding, failure to surrender, spaciness, etc., etc., and pleadings to Maharaji to save them, give them his grace, and answer their prayers.] Those thoughts and doubts were all of what a premie feared most -- that they might get "confused" and walk away from the feet of the living incarnation of God--- Maharaji. But at a festival, you didn't have to work very hard to dispell doubts because you got a group high and a ton of reinforcement. I have to say though, for me, even that stopped working for the last couple of years I was in the cult. In fact, festivals because even WORSE than regular life for me, because it was just so insane, boring, and Maharaji was still just as banal and incoherent. And the premies were even more annoying. Actually, I was a "10-yearer." (Groan) As for not being a 30-yearer, all I can say is I'm grateful for that.
Modified by Joe at Fri, Mar 17, 2006, 16:09:19
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The doubts you describe there are the doubts I just mentioned in my
post to Mike. I thought you were talking about doubts about Guru
Maharaji and the whole Divine Light Mission/Perfect Master ideology. The premies I knew all had doubts about themselves and their practise of Knowledge but apparently no doubts about the ideology of Rawatism as their doubts had no meaning in the real world only in "Maharaji's world."
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