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arthurchappell ®

03/03/2007, 21:55:12
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 Here is a clue to the strategy taken by the cult's supporters and those 
who have a vested interest in peddling the Cagan study on here - the 
latest contribution from a chap calling himself just Daily states "Hey 
premies, it's time to delete all your posts and let readers enjoy the 
ravings of A.Chappel and Close Watch in all their glory. I'll delete 
this post in 24 hours. Same goes to the other discussions.. " The aim is 
to leave oppossing views speaking in the wilderness without the 
pro-views to counter them, in order to make us sound more extreme - that 
salient telling points of their ravings are in speech marks in the text 
of the books critics makes such a strategy pointless and shallow. This 
is their alternative to answering the issues raised in a rational 
fashion.
 
Radford joins in adding "Clearing away our posts is a great idea, are 
you so attached to your demented rantings that you want them here 
forever? Get a life.
 6 hrs and counting down Arthur, quick, call in the hateclub archivists 
to grab all our stuff before it's gone!"
 
It would be handy  if someone can  archive their ravings.
I think the strategy speaks for itself - the Internet is big enough to contain such material forever - and  as long as Cagan's book is for sale - despite its poor quality, having a variety  of views on its has merit. For the supporters of the book to withdraw  every remark they have entered for its defence is just plain stupidity. AC



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That's childish and weird...
Re: Premie posts deleted from Amazon to leave ours arguing into the void -- arthurchappell Top of thread Archive
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03/04/2007, 08:08:01
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I can't say it surprises me, Arthur.  Premies do weird things all the time, especially when talking to ex-premies.  They get paranoid, crude, and very rude.  I'm just not surprised athey did that.

I tried to start a new subject on the Amazon discussion board but I haven't purchsed anything from Amazon in years so they won't let me post without making a purchase! 

What I was going to post was this:

"The real biography of Prem Rawat, aka Guru Maharaj Ji"

Here are three websites that provide extensive information about the life of Prem Rawat for anyone interested in reading the real truth about him:

http://prem-rawat-maharaji.info/

http://prem-rawat-critique.org/

http://www.ex-premie.org/






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Re: That's childish and weird... -- Cynthia Top of thread Archive
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03/04/2007, 08:18:55
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I can post the links for you Cynthia - no problem.



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03/04/2007, 10:11:08
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Re: Premie posts deleted from Amazon to leave ours arguing into the void -- arthurchappell Top of thread Archive
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03/04/2007, 14:57:20
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but I grabbed Lustbader's rants last week. Sorry I didn't even read the premie ones. But I was so entranced by the clear, crystal beauty and love in this sentence: Rawat as an innocent, a picture that will stay with me forever. Pranam, Larry

"Thank you, it is funny when people project their own problems on an
innocent especially when that innocent is so clear, like a still pond
or a mirror that their every imperfection is reflected back and somehow
they can't figure that it's themselves they're looking at."

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
Thank you, it is funny when people project their own problems on an innocent especially when that innocent is so clear, like a still pond or a mirror that their every imperfection is reflected back and somehow they can't figure that it's themselves they're looking at. Buddha told a householder hurling invective at him that if he had a tray full of apples and one more was added it would fall off, so similarly if ones heart is full of love and someone insults you it has no where to go and rebounds on the sender. So I would warn Mr Chappell not to mistake 'kindness for weakness' in that Prem Rawat's strength is not his force of arms but rather his innocence and that God himself [or life as you might have it] protects the innocent. What's the proof? They're still around to sing their song and do you know the odds against them? The whole world is a battlefield but the song of peace is still being sung, for those with ears to hear and hearts to respond.

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
Thank you for the excuse to express my gratitude for the kindness that has made my life sublime, an infinite kindness channeled through an entity known as Prem Rawat for the benefit of ones such as myself with the capacity to appreciate it. I would never make fun of the blind but neither should the blind make fun of the sighted, if they don't see something they shouldn't assume it doesn't exist but rather get their vision restored if possible. It's not a new syndrome that people with problems should try to scapegoat an innocent to get off the hook themselves. There's nothing new about people who screw up their lives trying to blame parents, teachers, society. There are people who just like to listen to themselves whine and complain and they enjoy there own self righteous anger so much it becomes a permanant feature or even their only one. There are religious enthusiasts who believe that the purpose of a 'master' is to take on their sins so they busily attempt transferring them by the busheload and attempting to accuse, codemn and execute an innocent man who gave them nothing but kindness and wisdom. Fortunately this is not an age when saints get crucified, rather, they garner respect from the respectable and scorn from the scorn worthy. As Lao Tzu said "I wouldn't know I was on the right path if fools didn't deride me." So, again, keep up the good work of exposing your own weakness's. Maraji's father used to say that his enemies spread word of him more than his followers cause they were always talking of him.
Darkness provides a wonderful contrast that makes the light even more obviously brilliant. It's the nature of the snake to bite and the child to laugh and the father to protect the child. If God kindly gave you a human voice then what kind of gratitude or sense is it to hiss like a snake? Better to sing the praises of the praiseworthy than spit venom at them, don't you think? Do I sense, perhaps, a desperate cry for kindness behind your supercilious facade? If so, remember, it's always available, till the last breath.

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
"The philosophy of the Lord is all inclusive"
Yours is that lies are truth and truth is lies, boredom is excitement and excitement is boring.
Life is for the living, who by any name would smell as sweet and who are not deceived by attention craving character assasins whose self revealing accusations reek like death warmed over.

 Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
"The philosophy of the Lord is all inclusive" is a quote from Maharaj ji.
Evidently you dont understand what quotes are, philosophy is, truth is or how degenerating slander can be to your character.
He does his work for loves sake and you for vainglory.
Isn't it obvious to you yet that the rope you try to hang others with is hanging yourself?
No ones life is ruined by your vile attempts but your own.

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
Evidently english is not your forte but lets try to untwist some knots from the old fevered brain, eh wot?
The philosophy of the Lord [ a word you can be as allergic to or misinterpret to suit your own devious purpose to your hearts content] IS all inclusive, and no matter who says that or what you would like to pretend you think they mean by it, it's truth goes marching on. Fortunately for villious villains of the villainous variety, His patience is also as is His humor and love and a plethora of virtues too numerous to mention. Also His nectar is all pervading. If the word kindness means nothing to you, as well as other terms of endearment then it's possible that it's not language skills but a heart contaminated by contempt that needs to be healed. I'm sure if you asked Mr. Rawats help in the matter he would graciously assist you as he has done for so many. Try not to hurt yourself any further in fighting the fun, eternal truths and forces and life itself. There is a beautiful hero inside of you and the only enemy you need to conquer is also inside you, Maraji will help you discriminate between the two if you'll let him for when you lose your discrimination you lose the purpose of your human life and you've degenerated enough already, it's time to be getting back to the up and up! Theres an old song from before even Krishna and Jesus and other great souls that the wise venerated and fools villified that goes like this " When the whole world kicks a human being they end up at the feet of the Lord where their tears of suffering turn to nectar for the universe" Thank you for reminding me that everyone has a God, for some it is their own mind or ego or thoughts, for others it is the One that comes and saves them from those imposters. Choose wisely, my friend.



 Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
Not only peace but love and happiness and everything else you're looking for that was already available to you, conveniently built in, but needed someone to point you in it's direction. If what you're looking for is trouble you can always look outside for that where there's plenty readily available but Mr. Rawat can't help you with that because he's too busy using all his resources, time and energy helping those who want help [of which grateful multitude I am one] which really doesn't leave room for those who doubt their own existence, life and ability to feel even when it's proved to them. It's been fun playing with you, it reminds me to be wary of train wrecks and inspires me with hope that all the broken toys get fixed and get to be part of the play again. If we all pay close attention to that which is indivisible then we will get more and more intact which is the best victory.

 Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
Obviously the marriage was blessed by all the powers that be, you seem to be the only one with a bug up your butt about it. Do you also post on websites where people are obsessed with the idea that they were abducted by aliens and anally probed? While you are analyzing others love lives watch out the dog doesn't run off with your vibrator. Just kidding, I dont know what kind of a kook you are but try to keep that dirty mind out of other peoples bedrooms cause whatever your problem is should be quarantined not shared! Are we having fun yet?

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
P.S. The law of love precedes the penal code, precedes california, precedes the universe and even precedes the mind that can imagine faults even in the grand design. The power that backs up that law of love commands respect from those in their right minds and is standing by ready to heal those that aren't. Love is/was and always will be the law of the land/water/sky and those who follow it are celebrated by their fellow man after the dust settles from those who hide behind smokescreens. Maraji's life has been an open book to the public since the get-go and that's just one reason why so many people love him, and the writer of that book is more than a genius and deserves unlimited praise. Breath spent on anything less than praise and gratitude for this beautiful life is wasted. I thank the Lord for even the little irritations, for they can incite pearls. But I'm really grateful for the love, larry.

 Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
Mr. Rawat is 49 "today". How time warped or challenged are you? I'm sure it upsets you too that they have enjoyed a happy marriage all these years. Maybe your disquitude about evertyhing really doesn't stem from the aforementioned party but is just a symptom of general indigestion. Maybe it annoys you that others are happier than you. Maybe you just like playing with words, thoughts, fire and things beyond the comprehension of your mind [which includes everything] Maybe you just like nitpicking the letter of the law stuff that precludes the spirit and breath and excitement of life. Tell me, is there anything that gets you excited besides judging other peoples lives? If not [which is pretty obvious] then remember that it's not too late to 'get a life' , put some love in it, and if you need some help doing that than remember that the one you've been reviling would be more than happy to help you. He would never disparage you in return but would keep on giving kindness, if you can take it. Thats the law of love, my friend. It doesn't give up on you even if you've given up on yourself and it and sanity and clarity and are just clutching at "laws" that are very mutable by circumstance, as einstein understood that even the 'laws' of physics change over periods of time. You might beg the Creator to bend a few laws on your behalf someday yourself, if you're as smart as you think you are. " Love is when the Lord breaks the rules of nature and physics to save a supplicant" He did it for me and I'm glad He did. And He can do it for you.

 Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
I have to inturrupt your flight of fancy with an unpaid and non political advertisement from reality, PR's beloved was only eight years his senior, a not unthinkably wide chasm, especially where love is concerned [a subject, I'm just guessing, which might exceed the parameters of your understanding without using the right tools] and respecting the wishes of that higher power from which love emenates without anyone elses opinion on the matter is a no brainer and all hearter. [Law of love, one, laws of society, zero] If it takes a lifetime to learn the secrets of true love, from which all the lesser ones reflect, it's great to have a master of the subject who helps with the right tools to accomplish that noble goal. If some brute just wants to shoot an arrow through two lovebirds as they're crooning or even worse, to throw obstacles between a teacher and a student of that true love than I guess they just need to know the law of the jungle which warns that war profiteers die by war. Theres a lovely story of Rabia, a saint from another age, who gets a visit from the devil who tells her " since you love God so much you must really hate me" She replies " I'm too busy loving God to even think about you!'' I wish that one pointed clarity on everyone. Whatever evil impulse enters into a simple soul telling them to get their Beloved's attention by harassment should be laughed at before it bares bitter fruit. If feeling love isn't enough then all the mental gymnastics and justifications wont reach the goal either. Try giving the love another chance, and another. It works.

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
'Cult' is an inflammatory word calculated to agitate the mind. Mr. Rawats words carry a message of peace to the heart. How refreshing that there is a peacemaker in times when lawyers abandon their allegiance to the 'law of love' and instead spread insults, invectives, lies and calumnies just for the thrill of war-making and reaping the benefits of all war profiteers off the innocent victims. Is this sub sect of lawyers then a new cult [cultares means worshipper in latin] that only worships their own greed at the expense of all thats good? Stay tuned to the show of shows, life itself, for the answer. Meanwhile ponder the relevance of Thomas Jefferson warning the borning nation not to let lawyers have 'titles of nobility' to make laws that make themselves objects of authority and fear and worship and to disbar those who deliberately create conflicts between family members and others who have every reason for peace except that the lawyer has gotten addicted to ill gotten wages. Anyway, by any definition Mr. Rawat and his free thinking, free speaking students such as I do not qualify as a 'cult' but keep a wary eye on "public servants' who defy the publics will and pursue a private agenda to the detriment of all. Whether they cluster in groups or hang by their lonesome remember the words of a great savant of yesteryear " If you are not under the law of love you are subject to the laws of society which are nothing more than organized robbery" Don't let anyone redifine two or more gathered to enjoy something [in this case life] as a cult. Maybe a conspiracy because technically conspiracy means "to breathe together" And who can find fault with that except breath haters or 'ex breathers'?

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
You meant mis=information, a typographical error I'm sure.
ex premie, a curious title since premie means lover an ex premie is a -----?
I guess theres no fury like a lover who scorns the object of their love but in this case since Mr Rawat recommends that people love love itself what does that leave a person who leaves that noble feeling behind? Nothing but ingratitude and indigestion by the sound of it but I would personally rather hear the sweet sounds of praise for the praiseworthy and adoration for the adorable and appreciation for the appreciable. I could go on forever which leaves no time for complaints or room for problems.

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
Freedom from prejudice and bigotry and superstition and xenophobia is a path sought by the astute for as long as sentients with eyes wide open and hearts even wider [no blind love or devotion here] have been around. They never needed to be convinced or forced or hypnotized into loving the lovable, it's plain common sense to those with 'eyes that see'. I would never make fun of the blind or of people blind to love, who can't recognize it or appreciate it, I would [and do] just direct them to someone who can help them. The word heart has been used universally and poetically as a synonym for the essence of a being and the small percentage of the population that take things literally are usually subject to brain or mental disorders such as Alzheimer's, alcoholism, argumentativism or some such syndrome which precludes humor or subtle feelings or humility to anything higher than their own problems. For the literal minded, 'cult' derives from cultares which means worshipers, so everyone believing in something higher than themselves would technically be included and I for one am grateful to find that object of veneration conveniently located inside of me. I am also grateful as all get out to the man who showed me how to do that and I recommend to one and all to side with life against death, love versus hate, essential quest instead of trivial pursuits and to become wise in discriminating between your heart of hearts and its virtues and its benefactor and the part of you that harbors confusion, hatred, fear [call it mind or the adversary or the stranger, what's in a name?] and it's advocates and choose well between them. I thank Maraji for demonstrating just that clarity. Love, Larry

  Lawrence Mark Lustbader says:
I got such a kick out of your posting that i laughed out loud. Speaking for myself, after knowing Mr. Rawat formally and informally for 35 delightful years, the only reason I have nothing critical to say about him is that I have never seen any reason or excuse to. That is not because I am not a critical person, I train my mind [which can be your worst enemy if left undisciplined which not only Mr. Rawat so kindly warns people but which every even slightly wise person or even someone in their "right mind" has ascertained] to see the potholes in life's path and avoid them. Far from being one of those, Mr. Rawat is a bridge over holes, obstacles and troubled waters, to coin a phrase, at least for me, which is all anyone can honestly speak for. It is said that when you love someone you don't see any faults in them and I gladly admit that I do love him to death but I also don't find it a coincidence or side effect of some insidious mind control that so many perspicacious people who dont fall for anything that doesn't prove it's value claim to love him just as unequivocably. I have no doubt in my mind that if you had ever felt even a semblance of such a love for or from anyone than you would not feel so jealous of him and the people that do, and I hope for your sake that one day you do and then spread that around to others who need it. Love, Larry L.











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Larry Lustbader throws around the LORD word
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quite a bit! I wonder what "Lord" means to him?

His last name is very appropriate for this particular lord - lol!







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03/07/2007, 12:03:51
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At least he seems sincere and likeable whereas some of the others appear devious and unpleasant. But of course it is Larry's honesty that most clearly exposes the fact that he is in a personality cult. Take his post below in reply to Arthur and in reference to Prem Rawat..

'Well, that's funny, because I like everything he does and he likes everything I do and that's love and that "aint nobodies business but our own" as Bessie Smith put it and that's all she wrote and that's all folks, for now, and I wish everyone such an unconditional and unassailable love before the parade passes them by. Bye.'

I wonder how well Larry knows Prem ..and how Prem really feels about Larry?

Oh well! no helping them..
Tim






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Re: Premie posts deleted from Amazon to leave ours arguing into the void
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03/04/2007, 17:27:30
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I suspect that the cult in the form or Elan Vital or TPRF had a quite word with Larry, Radford et al and asked them to remove their Amazon posts as their posts were not 'on message'.

We will never know for sure, that is how cults operates, silently behind the scenes.

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03/04/2007, 18:44:37
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Despite their threats to do delete them all early this morning, their threads are still up on Amazon, though they still have the right to altar or remove at will - it could be bluffing or they just ain't got round to it as yet




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