How could this not be a lie?
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Posted by:
Jim ®

02/14/2007, 19:39:19
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Over in the Wikipedia Hundred Years Edit War, Jossi Fresco says the following:

I am not getting paid to edit Wikipedia. It is not uncommon for long-term editors of Wikipedia, to dedicate what may seem to outsiders to be inordinate amounts of time to the project. Many editors that are passionate about their viewpoints dedicate considerable time to articles they care about. That is not a reason for assuming that a fellow editor is paid. Getting angry only obfuscate one's understanding, Pat. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Yet we know that Fresco is a paid employee of the cult as he previously disclosed (can't find it).  I'm sure that Fresco would say that he edits the Wiki article on his own time but surely any conflict of interest concerns behind Wiki policy against employees working their masters' articles would apply in his case, don't you think?






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02/14/2007, 19:50:00
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It never fails to astonish me how follower after follower lies with an open smile and as if they themselves did not know they were doing it.  Is it because they think they perceive or serve a higher truth that renders all else in the world untrue, or at least of the nature of illusion? 

Or are they seriously mentally altered so that they genuinely believe somehow that they are not lieing when they distort the facts to serve Prem Rawat, in the way that those under hypnosis can believe they actually perceive another reality.






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02/15/2007, 01:31:31
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"Or are they seriously mentally altered so that they genuinely believe somehow that they are not lieing when they distort the facts to serve Prem Rawat, in the way that those under hypnosis can believe they actually perceive another reality"

Been there fixing that :>)

This is a common thing amongst all cults.
In my experiences with Iskon,Scientology and Islam they actually name this phenomena and call it 'divine deception', i.e lying for the sake of 'truth' or 'nudge nudge wink wink say no more'.


I call it rape of the human psyche and the ultimate betrayal of trust. Cult members are nothing more than predators, many of whom don't even realise it.

It is heart-breaking.







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With you there 100%
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02/15/2007, 01:36:35
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Here's the well-buried disclaimer...
Re: How could this not be a lie? -- Jim Top of thread Archive
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Cynthia ®

02/15/2007, 05:54:27
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Hey, he's not being paid specifically to write on Wiki. He probably sees that as truth, even though he's the lord's webmaster.  Jossi's clever at wording things to sound reasonable, but when one takes them in context, it's nothing more than cult gobbledigook obsfucation.  It's on par with the rest of the Wiki project Jossi is so deeply passionate about.  Have you looked at the Techniques of Knowledge talk page recently?  Momento's been busily removing the descriptions of the techniques with the claim that Wikipedia isn't an instruction manual!!! 

Disclaimer

As I have accepted a position in a related organization, I may reduce the level of my involvement in editing articles related to Prem Rawat and organizations that support his work.

Nevertheless, I intend to continue to actively monitor these articles for vandalism, correct mistaken or out-of-date facts, provide new material attributable to reliable sources, and engage other editors in the talk pages for discussions on how to better these articles. I also intend to continue enforcing talk-page discipline and the policy of Wikipedia:Biographies of living people when needed. If I make any contributions to these articles, I will exercise extra caution by ensuring that my edits are in full compliance with Wikipedia content policies.

As there are occasional contributors who have publicly declared their intention to vandalize this article and disrupt the editing process, note that I will not hesitate in resuming my previous level of involvement in editing these articles at any time to stop such efforts. I will do the same if I perceive any type of malicious or disruptive editing behavior.

For those editors that are genuinely interested in making these articles better, I invite them to continue making useful contributions within the content policies of Wikipedia, while engaging other editors and myself in constructive talk page discussions.

≈ jossi ≈ t@ 05:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)







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'out-of-date facts'....
Re: Here's the well-buried disclaimer... -- Cynthia Top of thread Archive
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tommo ®

02/15/2007, 07:26:52
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 'out-of-date facts'!

It is called 'history' Jossi!   Orwell's nightmare !

Tim







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02/15/2007, 07:58:17
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Yeah, there are so many of those pesky out-of-date facts and it makes for a lot of work for poor Jossi, whose job (self-appointed or not) it is to see they don't pop up anywhere in the articles.






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out-of-date facts are called history
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02/15/2007, 14:41:48
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Couldn't have put it better myself.

Be Here Now. I remember that concept coming my way shortly before becoming a premie. I hadn't got very far with thinking about it, just picked a book up from amongst the empty mugs on the coffee table.

Wish I had! No really it strikes me as absurd to wake up in the morning as if yesterday didn't happen. Yes it did.

Sure like I would imagine pretty much all of us by now have lived through some tough times when the idea of being able to blow off yesterday was mighty attractive but then what about when something good happens - who wants to lose those memories?

And whatever happened, what's mine is mine, 52 years of it so far, and it strikes me that if I do not know of it, then how can I know who I am today.





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Also, Jim...
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02/15/2007, 06:27:51
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"...It is not uncommon for long-term editors of Wikipedia, to dedicate what may seem to outsiders to be inordinate amounts of time to the project."

If that doesn't sound like cult-speak, I don't know what it is! 






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never underestimate the power of denial
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Milarepa ®

02/15/2007, 13:20:10
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that`s a line from `American Beauty`.... a great film.

Mila







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02/15/2007, 18:58:58
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