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Cynthia ®

11/09/2006, 10:52:56
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I don't believe it's an oversight that Prem Rawat/ Maharaji's words are not dated anymore with the place where he said them.  I think it's omitted on purpose because of the great job so many ex-premies have done of documenting his speeches.  My speculation, of course.

Anyway, I think it's important to keep track of what he says to premies now as well as the stuff he said so long ago. That's why I post them here.  Again, this is from the blog of the Rawat inner circle.  The second one "Immeasurable Fulfillment" possibly merits space on EPOs "Dead Seed Scrolls" page.

Comments made on inerlinktv.blog dated November 7, 2006:

The Most Loveable

"What do you fall in love with?  You fall in love with everything else, but you fail to fall in love with life.  You fall in love with all that is so intriguing, but you fail to fall in love with that which is the most fascinating. *

"You try to love.  You do.  You try so hard to love.  But you do not love the most loveable.  You want a miracle to happen in your life.  People sit there and go – “God, if you are really there, show me a sign.”  And the sign is coming and going and coming and going, and you are so busy praying. 

"The prayer has been answered.  The breath comes, and the prayer gets answered.  The breath goes, and the prayer gets answered.  You learnt how to pray.  Learn how to recognise when the prayer is answered."

Maharaji

*This is my emphasis because that one statement is so presumptuous.   It shows how ignorant Rawat really is about how people live and how people love.  It's arrogant, insulting, and so wrong.  He actually thinks people don't know how to love life, then has the nerve to tell people that!  Incredible. 

Immeasurable Fullfillment

"Have you ever, ever heard of being fulfilled?  Ever?  That’s the point of this journey.  To be fulfilled.  It's not to go, or to come, or to travel, or to sightsee.  But, to be fulfilled. 

Are you fulfilled? 

Don’t answer.  Not to me.  Question is for you.  Think.  Don’t weigh. "Oh, it's not so bad.”  No, no no.  Its not about good, bad.  That’s not what fulfillment is.  Fulfillment could not be weighed on scales. 

Do you know why?  Because there is no counterweight, to say - “I am fulfilled."  There is no material in this universe to measure fulfillment.  Because fulfilment has no weight.  In fact, it makes you feel lighter.  Without reducing the weight.  I mean, what is there like that?  It makes you feel really light.  It makes you full of light. But no light bulb.  It isn’t in quantities. There is no scale for it. Why is there no scale?  Because fulfillment, my friends, when you have one drop of it, it is the same as having a universe full of it. 

There is no such thing – "Well, I am slightly fulfilled.”  No.  In this journey, fulfilled you can be.  And fulfilled you should be.  Not by ideas.  Not by concepts.  Kabir has a song - "He does not color his heart, he colors his clothes."  Show.  But, he doesn’t color what he should be coloring in the color of fulfilment.  He does not color his heart in the color of fulfilment, but he tries to color his clothes to show others he is fulfilled.   It should be in your heart.  Without color – to know that I am fulfilled."

Maharaji






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Re: More mind-rotting religion from Prem Rawat's mouth...
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tommo ®

11/10/2006, 19:40:55
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Yes agree.  The presumptions behind these statements are very odd ...but not surprising really.  He is a real victim imo.  He has 'always' been a 'premie'.  Imagine spending a childhood with those that he should most have been able to trust not taking him for who really he is but colluding in his 'divinity'.  Obviously the absurd presumption that he has something to teach and a duty to teach it was buried deep in his pysche   But, of course, he has nothing and his underpinning 'experience' and insight is no more profound than that any one else.  But how could he, himself, ever come to know that. ...especially with sycophantic premies continually reinforce his self-delusion ..and him reinforcing the premie delusion etc and round it goes.   My suspicion would be that, ironically,  'self knowledge' is exactly what Prem Rawat most lacks  .... (maybe he really didn't believe Bob Mishler) and that every year  he will find himself despising the premies more and more ...  and he won't know why.  Yes ..anyway....deliberate or not..  .empty and manipulative words indeed...a love and fulfillment forever dangled just out of reach.

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Nik ®

11/11/2006, 04:27:59
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>He is a real victim imo

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Understanding Rawat as a victim was from the outset a key part of my rejection of the Knowledge mythology that I had bought into, although it is a perspective that hasn't always been especially welcome on the ex forums. But I think most contributors here accept that there is major element of the "abused becoming the abuser" in Rawat's behaviour (every year he will find himself despising the premies more and more).

However while 'victim' may explain his behaviour and the psychology that lies behind it, and he can be excused much of how he behaved as an adolescent - 'victimhood' can not excuse the behaviour of any adult. Rawat has had huge opportunities open to him - yet at almost every point he has chosen a safe route and sought to protect his selfish interest. He has purposefully surrounded himself with the greatest sycophants and has rejected those who offered alternate ways of doing things. The "Trainings" show just how ugly and stupid he has become; that ignorant bullying could hardly be an example taken from the (mostly) loving and well intentioned premies who have kept him in the Guru business for forty years.

Even in the one area that Rawat does seem to have demonstrated a capacity to step outside of his narcissistic self - that is in his relationship with his children, the younger Rawat's appear nothing other than enmeshed in the family business and the luxury that it affords. There's certainly no sign of any 'noblesse oblige' amongst the Trancas Canyon kids and they seem to have taken their life cues from 'Hollywood Bratism', something Rawat himself is attracted to judging by his choice of mistress.

Prem was a victim as a child - but that is no excuse for current deceit.

Nik







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