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At least he'll be the right guy. I am sad about the Ramsey case not being right guy even though I knew he could be one of those false confessors. Sad too about how many weird sicko pedophiles there are in the world and I HOPE they can put Karr away for something. The charges in Sonoma are misdemeanor so he'll be out before too long. That scares me. And whoever killed the little girl is free too. But Warren Jeffs is not just a cult leader but marries off young girls to old men so I hope they can put him away for a LONG LONG time!
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Hi Susan. I would bet that the FBI is giving Karr a long look in light of the state child porn charges. He may qualify for federal prosecution too.
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freako marries a 13 year old and then a 16 year old and targets girls all his adult life and fantasizes about Jon Benet Ramsey and Polly Klas and we have to let him walk free. Scary world.
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Well that is certainly good news. I sure hope that the authorities understand the enormity of what this will represent to the followers of Warren Jeffs and take appropriate cautionary tactics. The followers could easily interpret the arrest as Judgement Day, who knows what type of reaction this may cause. Here is a very good article on the history of Warren Jeffs. Very disturbing. T
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Thanks for the link. Quite an informative article. Another sicko...especially to the young, innocent children. His arrest will be front and center with the media and the more cult will be exposed for now (again) Speaking of Mormons...my 7 year old neighbor told me her mom is pregnant with their fifth child with the youngest being 8 months old. She told me her family was moving to Utah. I asked her if she was a Mormon and she didn't know the term, but knew her Church was the Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ. Really, nice sweet people, but at least they will have more room for their kids (a 3 bedroom apt is quite small). At least with Ratwhat...we were about love, peace, joy and the sat chit ananda, with lots of Nag Champa permeating the air.
Modified by judypudy at Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 19:03:02
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It is good news but it's too bad CNN isn't covering it! Last night while channel hopping I saw that Larry King is still milking the last drop out of the John Karr story. Larry's such a jerk sometimes. Plus, it's the 1st anniversary of Katrina, so the news focus is there. What concerns me is the multi-generational women who have been so isolated for their entire lives and have brought their children up in the cult. It's much different to be born and raised in a cult like that than to be recruited. It's all those kids know. I also worry about all the cult compounds Jeffs has set up around the country. They have Waco written all over them. I'm sure Jeffs will have the best defense money can buy because he's been using the welfare and government systems to enrich himself for a long time. The oddest (but not surprising) thing about Jeffs is that he's got a preference for boys. Weird, when one thinks about his access to young girls. Oy! It's all so sick!
Modified by Cynthia at Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 06:53:56
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I had bad dreams about Thailand last night. I do wonder what the best approach is in helping the kids in those compounds. They are so isolated from the world they don't know the simplest things about the country they live in. I am also sure they love their moms and families like any child usually does in all but absolute worst, and sometimes even then, situations. Very hard to know best way to intervene. I don't. I do know watching the interview with Karrs first wife, who was 13, made me ILL last week. I hoped he did it but also knew he was just the sort of creep who would be a false confessor. But there is so much he really did and just the fact that he married these girls, taught in so many schools, and ran a day care...then went around the world to do it all some more....well...its just a bit hard to take. I wish we as a country, and we as a world, did more to protect our children from horrible abbherations like him, and Jeffs. Monsters thats what they are.
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Susan, I do wonder what the best approach is in helping the kids in those compounds. They are so isolated from the world they don't know the simplest things about the country they live in. I am also sure they love their moms and families like any child usually does in all but absolute worst, and sometimes even then, situations. Very hard to know best way to intervene. I don't. CNN has been asking the ubiquitious media/news style question: How do we tell them it's safe to leave? The 'effin media. You'd think they get a cult expert on and interview them, so that viewers could learn that there may be a little problem called: Cult backlash, stalking, lawsuits, violence, etc. It isn't safe to leave just because Jeffs was arrested. There are guys standing in line waiting to replace him. I think that maybe (maybe) because of the attention, Colorado City, et al, FLDS will clean up their act for a while, giving some people a chance to leave. Maybe some of those people will be able to leave and get some assistance getting into the world and living. Second generation cult members have a very tough time because they are born into it. I wouldn't even venture an opinion on how to approach those women and children because they have so many issues, the greatest of which is the incest. Monsters thats what they are. That's a myth, but I know what you mean. They're regular people, just like other regular people who use whatever they have to control and abuse and bully and terrorize people around them. It happens every minute of the day to regular kids who are abused by someone they know. They don't have to be in a cult and by far, there are more children abused out of cults by their parents or someone they know. The media fails to explain that, especially during high profile cases like this. I had bad dreams about Thailand last night. Rule of thumb: If watching it triggers, give bad dreams, make one anxious, panicky, causes flashbacks, etc., turn it off and avoid it. Life is too short to be that vigilent. I learned a long time ago that the world revolves without me watching it.  Cynthia, the former hyper-vigilente
Modified by Cynthia at Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 11:26:33
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I am curious what you mean by not monsters. I guess I agree that some sorts of abusers are "regular" people gone bad, but I am not sure I think that about the worst of them. Jagdeo, Ted Bundy, Karr, David Westerfield, the man who killed Adam Walsh, the man who killed Polly Klass, any serial pedophile who abuses hundreds of kids...to me that is the monster group. I guess I have brought this up before but to me, people like that are no longer human, if they ever were, and are just plain evil monsters. I have no sympathy or charity in my heart and I would not hesitate to inflict death penalty on them. My only reason for thinking no death penalty is purely economics...not moral. I don't really care if they are dead or alive as long as we can lock them up FOREVER and for sure. If it costs society more to execute them I don't see that we need to. But it isn't out of any sort of compassion I say that. Yes, I need to be better about turning it off. It was the interview last week of Karr's former 13 year old "wife" that made me freak. And the realization that people like him are all over the place and just that he false confessed to Ramsey case that he isn't abusing kids right now. Maybe too it was the escaping to another country where kids are less safe...reminded me of Jagdeo. I so agree they need cult experts and smart people to look at how to dismantle the FLDS cult. Maybe first step is someone giving a shit about it...so that has happened. Now what? Samantha Runnion's mom ( a six year old murdered by a sadistic pedophile) said yesterday she wasn't for death penalty...she said lock them up like rats and study them so we can learn and get more off the street. Even though Jagdeo was not a murdered ( that I know of ) I think he qualifies as worst of worst because...he abused VERY YOUNG children, he used "religion" to do it...and he actually, I think, USED the cult, I think he used the cult system and exploited the nature of his "job" the traveling and may have chosen it because he was never anywhere long enough anywhere to be caught. And then sending him to India....like girls there don't count. Sickening.
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