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Danny ®

07/30/2005, 07:31:02
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Jonx, you gotta be kidding me!!!

You say "First of all, even the best teacher cannot make a student understand a difficult topic."

1- knowledge is difficult? Hmmm, I was told by m that k is simple. I could go on for hours just on this aspect, (HILLTOP, ANY QUOTES HERE?) but let's leave it to the advertisement for receiving k made by m, HIMSELF ... that anyone could receive and practice k, that this is for everyone, regardless of their intellect.

2- A teacher that makes no effort to teach or clarify something if, and when a student misunderstands an aspect is no TEACHER. When has m made ANY effort to clarify the misconceptions of his students? No my friend, the students weren't misinformed, the "teacher" never taught!

3- For me... the standards of this kind of teacher/master is not set at the lowest bar but is raised to the highest level. If in fact, you seek a 'perfect master' a 'satguru' a teacher of perfection/truth... then the standard for that teacher is set much higher due to the stakes involved. THIS IS no INNER CITY SCHOOL. M HAS FAILED!

Next you say..."Maharaji asked for a few things you didn't come through on, which I can say because we are having this conversation today: Trust, Persistence, Guilessness. Whatever the justification you come up with, you just haven't followed through. Those who can, continue to learn about something that is nothing short of magic"

1- You don't know me, never have and probably never will. It appears that your perception is marred by your preconcieved notions.

2- You say I didn't "come through" on my end? Hmmm! Let's see.... I received k in early 1974, I dropped out of Universtity to help m propogate k, SERVE HIM, and moved into the local community center, 2 years later I moved into the assram. I became community coordinator for several cities. I was selected to live and work at the miami residence. All during this time I was singled out and asked to speak on m's behalf on TV, radio and in print. Hmmmm! Either m made a big mistake (again proving his undeserving title of Teacher/Master) or he did feel that I was a good example to flaunt.

3- 1974 to 1983 --- active premie. Add a few years for incorporating k and m into a life outside the assram. So.. OVER 10 years of my life, studying a subject is not good enough??? Sorry "MATEY" according to your standard here, it would be only after I died that I would be deemed to have given this a 'fair'shake!

4- Trust? I and many others gave up our own lives in trusting m. We placed our lives, our futures and our entire being before the feet of the 'master'! He proved unworthy of that trust. He abused that trust, M failed.

5- persistence? Thats BS. Only a failed teacher will blame the student, or his tools, for his own lack of ability.Hmmm 1 year, 5 yrs, 10 yrs, 20? How do YOU define persistance? Each and every waking moment spent practicing k... remembering the "holy name", doing service ... satsang.... meditation? No, my friend, persistence wasn't an issue here. One can be quite persistent in attempting to place a round object in square peg... it won't fit. EVER! "if the gloves don't fit...you must acquit"

6- Guilessness? You have no clue as to my motives. If m felt that I was guileless, and gave me k.... then who the f*ck are you to question your MASTER? It's rather easy to shift blame on the student when the outcome isn't the desired one. If the rest of the world operated like this... then.... as an example ... when a pharmaceutical company develops a new drug, and is allowed to discard the results that occur or allowed to cherry pick the results to bolster their claims they would inevitably be sued for misrepresentation. According to you, anyone that realizes that knowledge or m are not all they made themselves out to be, are at fault here.

7- Magic??? Grow up. You want magic ..go to a carnival or freak show or even Las Vegas to see real magicians. I didn't come to k or m for a magic show. I came for truth, for peace, for love and to serve the highest authority. When the 'master' of that k proves himself to be without truth, peace, love or ability to be titled the highest authority... then what he teaches is itself flawed. Look no further than the teacher to see whether what he teaches is valid. Again... m fails.

And finally ... you say "Sorry mate, the teacher continues to deliver on a promise he has never broken (at least with me). It is you who removed yourself from the equation."

1- what exactly is m delivering?
2- what WAS his promise?
3- if in fact, this knowledge is true for you but not for others ... then sorry "MATE" this ain't truth!

4- YES.... thankfully I removed myself from this equation. It didn't add up. I gave it 100% and m failed. Again... the teacher must teach... m failed.

AND BTW... equating his students with terms like "insufferable" really doesn't befit one that claims to be able to bring peace to humanity, does it? I guess the words compassion, care, and respect are not a part of this 'thing'???

You are deluding yourself.

That of course is your option.... for that I have pity on you....
but .... having read here...
and
engaged with us....
you can never claim that you were never warned or advised that there is a possibility that m and k are false. You can never state that you were just a simple ignorant follower.

YOU CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSE YOUR PATH IN LIFE! I imagine you will wear that like a badge for a period of time....but one day... the sooner the better, you will awake and see the folly of this thing. We will be here for you.







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