By twisting the blame away from m and onto anyone that no longer buys the crap m peddles, you discount each and every one of those human being's experiences!

1- How many events has he done over the last 35 years around the world just to teach and clarify? A typically appalling ex-premie misrepresentation of the facts.

Now please listen carefully... as I and many others here attended those events.... M NEVER TAUGHT OR CLARIFIED. Understand that there is a big difference in getting up in front of others and rambling on and on incoherently and actually stating what one wants! (as examples) ..> "hey premies, you know when you were told to sing arti to me... I really didn't mean for you to take it literally." OR, "Premies, when I claimed to be the lord of the universe, I was really not intending you to believe me." OR, " Premies, when I wear the krshna costume, I am doing it only to appease the few of you that like seeing me dressed in red!" OR, "I made a mistake when I first came to the west and I apologise for attempting to impose my hindu philosophy on you in the west." OR, " I am not the lord of the universe and knowledge is 4 meditation techniques, that can be found in many places." But then IF m ever did say that ... he would lose out on his claim that only through the guru can you experience knowledge!

2- "When the 'master' of that k proves himself to be without truth, peace, love or ability to be titled the highest authority... then what he teaches is itself flawed.

Who made you an expert on Masters mate? I'll answer that... NOBODY. Let me get this right, you left in 1984. Wasn't EPO that caused your departure, or revelations that could be construed controversial about his personal life. What was the doubt that caused you to leave?"

Well you got that right.... congrats... EPO was not the reason I left m and his cult. I saw first hand the folly of this thing. I saw first hand how premies were not growing in their experience of life, I saw first hand how m had very little, if any, regard for premies! I saw first hand how 'the fruits of his knowledge'i.e. PREMIES... were miserable, unhappy, jealous, fear filled, guilt ridden, disconected and sheeplike. I saw first hand how m and his organization (HIS organization) cared little about spreading what was claimed to be the solution to the world's problems. I saw first hand how this had become strictly a for profit venture with m being the only beneficiary. I saw first hand how m neglected his own wife. I saw first hand how he abused the trust placed on him by myself and others. Sorry guy, I had no need for those major expose`s you hint at...I saw enough on my own. Perhaps you oughta read my original introductory post to understand some of these.

And sorry "MATE" but I never gave up my ability to discern. I would not accept being a part of anything that undermined the essential human experiences. M and k did exactly that.

According to your comment that one needs to be an "expert" on masters... I suggest then that you as well are no expert, and may in fact be deluding yourself. If I were to tell you that I have realized knowledge what part of you would recognise that this was untrue or true?

Your response to >
"what exactly is m delivering?

Know-how, guidance and encouragement to be in a feeling that never leaves and that is always peace."

Well my friend, guess what? I AM enjoying a feeling that never leaves me and is always peace. Yet amazingly (to you perhaps) I have no need for m or k to enjoy this. I just do... I guess I have realized knowledge!

And by the way, you said it right.... "You're right... he failed. He failed because you gave up. Oh well."

Yes OH WELL!

Another failure of this teacher / master!