Guys guys. All very interesting I have no doubt about that. However don't you think this is now becoming way OT for this forum?

So, unless you are done and reached an agreement on the absence or presence of aliens might I suggest you continue this debate somewhere else?  Like maybe: http://www.drek.us/aaa/  I understand it is open all hours and anything can be discussed there.  In fact I will go and read your gripping debate over there myself.