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04/29/2005, 19:39:02
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While you have a keen sense of the history and evolution of the premie culture in the U.S. and have a good memory of the late 70s and 80s, more and more your writing is not applicable to today. 

You are misunderstanding me.  I AM talking about today, not about the past.  I was talking about why propagation is a failure TODAY, and I say it's because TODAY, propagation is basically dishonest because premies aren't able to tell the truth about what they believe.   Even if they are deluded, if they express what they truly believe, which is basically that Rawat is the Lord and knowledge is an experience of God, it would attract some people.

My point  about the past is that that was true at one point, and during that time propagation WAS successful, unlike today, when it's a failure.

While you might believe that the experience of knowledge is genuine and isn't dishonest, again, that isn't my point.  Whatever genuine experience premies have and whatever beliefs they have about what it is they are experiencing, that isn't what Rawat is propagating, and instead, premies just tell people to listen to him and can't just express their beliefs to new people.  So, to interested people, it comes across as dishonest, kind of weird, and uptight.  That's why hardly anybody recieves knowledge anymore.

I mean, think about it.  If there are 5000 active premies in North America, and if they are having such a great, attractive, obviously wonderful experience of knowledge, don't you think that at least ONE PERSON in a YEAR for each premie would ask to give knowledge a try?  I mean, that's just ONE PERSON per premie, per year, and yet in one year only 200 people received knowledge (2003).  Why is that, if this is all such a real and genuine experience?  Are premies hiding in closets or something?

And how do you explain that thousands of people received knowledge in the USA during the time premies were able to express their beliefs freely, and now almost no one does when they are not allowed to?  Don't you think there is a reason for that?  Now, I know 90% of those people have split, but I think  the 200 who received knowledge in 2003 won't have any higher percentage of continuing to practice that those who received knowledge in the 70s.

If knowledge is so great, and if premies are having such a great experience, people would be attracted to it and receive knowledge.  But that isn't happening.  There is a reason for that.

People are attracted to the energy and clarity that knowledge opens up, which is what attracted most of us in the first place (not the words or claims) as you noted.

They WOULD be attracted if that was happening, but they obviously aren't, or haven't you noticed that knowledge isn't exactly spreading rapidly, right?  Again, 200 people received K in North America in an entire year.  Pretty pathetic for something supposedly so wonderful and freely expressed, right?

Also, I do NOT see that premies are any more satisfied or happy than anybody else, than the average person.  This has been my observation the entire time I was a premie and since.  In fact, I think in many ways they exude less happiness and in the introductory/propagation context, they appear really uptight because they know they are being dishonest and aren't telling people the whole truth about what they believe.  Again, haven't you noticed?






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