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lakeshore ®

03/11/2024, 18:48:24
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A Prem Rawat family member publicly acknowledged that Prem and Marolyn Rawat sexually abused two of their own children. His account is backed by a recorded conversation in which Prem and other family members acknowledged the abuse. The entire family knows what happened and yet, except for one of the victims and his wife, the family continues to solicit tax deductible donations and promote Prem Rawat and self-knowledge as if nothing happened. Followers who become aware of this often do more to defend Prem Rawat than they do to support the victim.

These tragic events occurred behind closed doors while thousands of followers were at that moment worshipping Prem Rawat as a divine being or perfect master who had come with more powers than ever before to bring peace to the entire planet. All of this calls into question the efficacy of Prem Rawat's self-knowledge, the family's fidelity to it, their motivations and their moral charachter.

Anything I write pales in comparison to these disturbing facts as well as everything previously uncovered and written about on websites such as ex-premie.org, prem-rawat-bio.org, resourcesforthetruthaboutpremrawat.org, this forum and others. Nevertheless, I will continue writing in hopes that together with others, it might help someone in need of support, much like this forum helped me when that help was needed most.

From time to time, I try to reduce my thirty-six year involvement with Prem Rawat down to a sentence or even a word. This time I settled on one word: deceived.

My involvement with Prem Rawat began in 1973 as a balanced two-way street: "give me your love and I will give you peace." It was sincere, joyful, exhilarating and above all, seemingly real. Although the exhilaration fell by the wayside, my sincerity, committment and especially my effort remained solid. I kept my end of the bargain. Unbeknownst to me, something changed. What changed was Maharaji. Two events occurred that I was never made aware of at the time.

The first was in 1976 when according to Michael Dettmers (a close confidant of Prem Rawat), Bob Mishler (the late President of Divine Light Mission) and others confronted Prem Rawat about "out-of-control spending that was destroying his organization and making it impossible to fulfill its mission." After Prem consented to changing the "culture" of the organization, a consensus emerged that it would be more effective if he would present himself as a humanitarian (fast forward to today) and step down or move away from his divine being/perfect master status. Michael believed Prem was receptive to the idea. That period included a brief loosening of the austere ashram lifestyle during which serious consideration was given as to whether or not it was even necessary.

As the story goes, Prem recoiled, snapped back from his initial receptivity, rejected all of it and said something to the effect of "how will I be supported?" He went on to say, angrily according to Michael, that "Knowledge without devotion to Maharaji is nothing and that all of us have forgotten that." Thus began seven more years of actual and ritualistic "heavy" devotion to Prem Rawat and, perhaps unnecessarily, seven more years of the austere ashram lifestyle for many hundreds of mentally captive and dependent followers.

The second event was the San Ysidro conference in 1984. According to Michael Dettmers, Will Shultz (Sp?), a professional business consultant and facilitator, summed-up his observations in part by saying that "of all the groups he had facilitated, he had never experienced as much fear as was exhibited by our group. He added that, in his opinion, Maharaji had received too much, too soon and that he really had to start practicing what he preached. Finally, Will alerted Maharaji to the dangers of having so many people so dependent upon him." 

As the story goes, Prem withdrew into himself. Soon thereafter, he became "...as arrogant as before and imbued with cynicism. He continued to abuse alcohol and he began his sexual exploitation of his female devotees." 

Out-of-control spending that was destroying his own mission?
Concerned about how he would be supported if he stepped down from his pedestal and closed the ashrams?
Insistence on followers devoting themselves to him and his Maharaji persona?
A group characterized by and objective observer as consumed by fear?
Time to practice what he preaches?
Arrogant and cynical?
Alcohol abuse?
Exploitation of female devotees?

Give me your love and I will give you peace?

Although pages have been written about the details and circumstances surrounding these two events, I'm confident that I've accurately captured enough to support what I'm about to say:
 
1. In 1976, against the advice of his organizational leaders and closest confidant, Prem Rawat deliberately chose not to step down from his diving being/perfect master pedestal. In so doing, he deliberately chose to continue reigning supreme over the lives of his followers as the "superior power in person."

2. Prem Rawat disregarded warnings of the dangers of having so many people so dependent upon him.

Indeed, what changed was Maharaji.

The change was Prem Rawat's breach of trust and failure to protect when, instead of stepping down, he deliberately, consciously, cynically and angrily chose to carry on as a divine being/perfect master and do nothing whatsoever to disabuse his followers of their dependency on him, even after he was warned of the dangers. He did nothing to dissuade his followers from basing their most important life decisions on their devotion to him. To the contrary, he did everything he could do to reinforce their devotion and dependency.

After taking-up procured women, cigarettes, excessive quantities of alcohol, recreational drugs, profligate spending and an opulent western lifestyle, he went on to sexually abuse two of his own children as evidenced by a recorded conversation in which Prem and other family members acknowledged the abuse.
 
Consequently, I believe that since those events occurred, every global monetary unit donated and every hour of unpaid labor constitutes theft by fraud and deception. After all that, it was no longer a matter of speculation about what made Prem Rawat tick; everything from sincere to deluded to sociopathic to influenced by his upbringing and so on. No, it was calculated. Pure cynical corruption. It was his choice. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew exactly what he wanted. He knew exactly how to get it. And he put himself above the best interests of his followers - and two of his own children - for his own gratification.

How does one even begin to contemplate what justice might look like when, as I believe, Prem Rawat is accountable not only for those donations and unpaid labor, but every global monetary unit of his followers lost income due to undereducation, underemployment and underachievement; loses resulting from sacrifices they made in all aspects of their lives by placing devotion to him above their own self-interests. And that doesn't even begin to account for his adverse effects on the children and families of his followers.

Prem Rawat is also accountable for the indescribable pain, humiliation, emptiness and disorientation that ensues when a person recognizes the extent to which they were deceived and exploited on the deepest level of their being.

How could I, or anyone not caught in the grip of this cult's indoctrination, conclude otherwise?

Again, anything I write seems insignificant in the face of everything that has transpired in countless individual lives over more than fifty years, and especially in light of the tragic and disturbing circumstances surrounding Prem Rawat's family and its ongoing efforts to solicit funds and promote someone described by one of his own children as a child sexual abuser.






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lesley ®

03/11/2024, 20:25:30
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Deceived is an excellent word to distil our experience at the hands of Rawat.  Great summation, Lakeshore, thanks.

I'd like to add to it that my understanding is the procured women were not paid escorts, they were women who caught his eye in the premie audience.  






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Susan ®

03/12/2024, 02:15:14
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Thank you so much for writing this so clearly.

I have long felt those two events you describe would be the focus of any true analysis of Prem Rawat's lack of character. 

Firstly, what Bob Mishler and John Hand described,  especially, the conscious choice Prem Rawat made that appeared to be motivated primarily by his insatiable greed to ramp up the demand for total surrender and devotion from the end of 1976 to whatever occured that made him give Agya to destroy the evidence. 

Then, the San Ysidro conference. In case anyone doubts the truth of this, I learned that story from someone else well before Dettmers told it. Dettmers filled in the details, but the place and essentials were the same. That story is so critical I have wished for a film to be made of it. I think it's so important because it shows he made the choice-again, further in to real adulthood. 

I do not believe any woman no matter how enthusiastic her belief she was a "Gopi" could consent. There is no way to consent with He who gives Agya. I believe many heterosexual male premies would have also "consented" and that would not have been consent either. Frankly, I doubt Prem Rawat has any boundaries whatsoever anyway.  

Whatever transpired at the beginning of Prem Rawat and Marolyn what was her maiden name, Johnson? Neither one seemed capable of consent, the probably 15 year old boy or the devotee of the Perfect Master.  The double abuse doesn't create a zero.

"Breach of trust and failure to protect" There were so many souls on board  Satguru's ship, or as he might prefer, Captain Rawat's jet, and as you said, he exploited them, for his amusement and gratification. Reckless blowing by every safety check and standard there is.

I think every voice affected by this, as you said, deliberate, cynical deception matters. 

We live in a world full of horrors. But this one is personal and it matters to all affected.  Every time I see one of their slick videos of his programs in prisons, schools, and even that Summit County Domestic Violence court I feel such a sense of dismay. Dismay that these places don't look hard enough. Dismay that the long time attention to Wikipedia apparently aided it. Dismay that some of these are child serving organizations. Dismay that Chelo Alvarez Stehle who made Sands of Silence about sexual abuse and features Prem Rawat prominently in the credits has been silent. Dismay that Sally and Sara Sidner have been silent. Dismay that someone who appears to still be an inner circle premie, is teaching a course on "Generational Healing- Tools for Breaking Dysfunctional Patterns". 

I also would like to start something to demand that every NDA or settlement agreement that any part about sexual abuse or anything to do with his personal life be null and void. If you have nothing to hide Prem Rawat why don't you give every person you purchased silence from  their voices back? That's how you make someone whole.  

Where did you get the money to pay those people you silenced? Lakeshore said it all. 











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aunt bea ®

03/14/2024, 13:02:28
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And great the way you structured the telling of it. Deceived sounds like the title of your upcoming bestseller. I absolutely agree that these are the inflection points of what happened. 

Though I also think that Susan touched on something that remains unanswered. What was the reason for the sudden shift and that all devotional materials should be destroyed? Or maybe it was answered somewhere?

I got hung on your reminder of the 1970s ever-present phrase, "Give me your love and I will give you peace." Has anyone ever deconstructed that? It really is a weird one that was never questioned. If someone has the magical key to grant every human peace, why do they demand love in exchange for that? Why do they demand anything at all if you already have everything?

(I know there is a Hindu concept of bhakti or devotion as a path to enlightenment or moksha. But didn't Guru Maharaji tell us that what he offered was special because it was religion-free and we shouldn't have concepts? And what  deadly consequences that concept has!)






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