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02/14/2024, 17:02:36
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25 years ago, I began collecting data about Prem Rawat’s career
because I saw that his followers, fine and decent people though they
might have been, had begun to lie about the criticism of Prem Rawat
instead of just pretending the 1970s hadn’t happened. It was
obvious Rawat was determined to have a deceitful biography of himself
become the one that would be available to any investigations
especially as the google algorithms did not take truth of the data
into consideration. I wanted information to be available for anyone
who cared enough to find out the truth about Prem Rawat. I didn’t
expect that this would destroy Rawat’s career or prevent many new
people from believing the things he said or make him infamous.


I’m a semi-invalid at the moment so I recently watched Leah
Remini’s Scientology documentaries. Please don’t be angry if I
repeat that all the bad stuff from Divine Light Mission and all the
rest of Rawat’s bullshit was nothing compared to Scientology’s
evil and power. That’s true but there are so many parallels. I think it
was Tolstoy who said all good cults are good in their own way but all
evil cults are evil in the same way.


New information sent to me about Rawat has dried up over the years
because it's all much the same but I did receive an anonymous message
from an incomprehensible internet address recently containing a
recorded phone conference held by members of the Prem Rawat family in
2019. Himself, his daughters and eldest son. At the beginning of the
recording the women spoke an English dialect I had difficulty
understanding, full of ideas strange to my down-to-earth
Australian-ness so I sent it to some students of popular culture.
I’ll reveal all the details once it has been translated into
standard English but I recognised and could understand Prem Rawat
very well as I must be the only non-premie in the world to have
listened to and transcribed so many of his speeches, actually
listened to them and converted them into nearly comprehensible
English text at https://prem-rawat-bio.org/.
He didn’t say much, he sounded like a broken man, whether from fear
or shame I cannot say.


Rawat had been informed a few days earlier by Premlata that Hans Pal
was accusing him of early childhood sexual abuse and they wanted to
begin a dialogue with him. The children believed this phone call was
the first of many in which they would hold Prem Rawat accountable for
their childhoods and a healing process could begin. Both Premlata and
Dayalata accepted the truth of Hans Pal’s accusations and Premlata,
especially, seemed to have many future axes to grind. She was the
dominant person in the conversation and she began to speak clearly
and directly during the later part of the call. I haven't cleaned up the text.






Premlata: Daddy the four of us kids have been connecting and talking
regularly and um it's been a really even though it's been really
difficult its been really wonderful to connect and sort of begin the
healing process, we want to bring you into this healing process as
well um because really you know at the heart at the heart of it it's
time to we get to do that. You know opening old wounds takes a great
deal of courage but it's necessary sometimes to clean out the wound
properly so it can heal well you know without infection or anything
weird still in there.


Premlata: Yeah you know this is (indistinct) really it's like the
hardest thing I I don't I can only speak for myself but it's the
hardest thing I've ever done or been through um and (sighs) you know
and yet you know yet I really do have a deep sense of trust that what
needs to be healed will be healed and that these really long painful
wounds that have been there for for so long can be addressed and
looked at and healed that you know our family can can be together in
reality, in truth to really you know be able to love each other in a
very clean way without painful or shameful secrets um and I and I I
have no illusions about this will be you know a challenging process


Hans Pal: Did you know that Mum also abused me but refuses to admit
it. When we lived in Miami in the early 80s she directly sexually
abused me in an incestual manner.


Premlata: I’m very, very concerned about Amar um I I feel like um I
really don't feel like the the Residence ironically is a safe place
for him um I I do want to bring up just one point actually and I know
it's a lot on top of everything that's already been brought up but um
Daddy I feel I feel it's important that you know that the way that I'm
not going to speak for Amar but at least for myself (indistinct) the
way that I feel about Mum is that she's not a safe person um I don't
trust her and that you know I know one time you told me not to judge
her and I I really took that to heart and I appreciate it and I've
been making a very sincere effort to see her without my judgement,
baggage, resentment and anything like that but I see that um you know
she's a scorpion and is it good or bad that a scorpion stings? Its
not good or bad, its just its itself and my feeling is that um you
know that to sit there and let the scorpion sting you again and again
and say "I'm not judging, I'm not judging," that doesn't
make sense to me you know cause the logical thing to do in that
situation is to put some distance between yourself and that scorpion.
So that's what I have to say about that






Prem Rawat was pretty depressed, whether this was from shame or fear
I cannot tell. I mean he must have known for a long time that Amar
was a self-destructive drunk and Hans Pal was not a chip off the old
block but now it seemed that his sins and crimes might be coming out
into the light in public by those closest to him.

What shocked me the most about hearing this was their casual acceptance of the disparity between their lives, their mother's, their father's and the facade that Rawat presents in public. I don't recall a single mention of the fact that their father is a despicable fraudulent charlatan and they're ashamed of it. Maybe they were starting at what they considered the worst of his crimes but the daughters sounded as if there was no thought of making these crimes public, but "healing" and going on as before but "loving each other in a clean way without shameful secrets."














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02/14/2024, 18:03:31
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This is a totally BLOCKBUSTER POST!!!!

I had to read it twice. I feel like all the PWK's need to see this! I am left kind of speechless. 

I am reminded of being taught in Culinary school that "The fish rots from the head." Meaning that anything wrong done by an employee under you, as executive chef, is your responsibility. I don't believe for a second that Old Man Prem is not guilty of fu**ing with his kids, literally. But I guess the most shocking part of this is Premlata calling her Mother a scorpion! This all puts a new light on Marolyn living at the beach house!

In the end it looks like Cynthia is right about "Durga" being really dark. Can't believe I kissed her feet. Or his. I want this screamed out to he world!

Karen K






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02/14/2024, 19:29:40
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yes Karen, I feel the same - her daughter is calling her a scorpion - I hope this gets through to the remaining premies.  






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02/15/2024, 05:17:25
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A few days ago, I got back into contact with a premie friend from about 45 years ago (or so). He was friends with our whole family, and we always had a good time together.

So we were speaking on the phone for the 1st time in these many years, and quite casually he asked me if I'm still "practising". I told him no, that I had stopped "practising" a loooong time ago, and he asked me why?

So, being the way I am (spontaneous etc.) I just said, well, there is a lot of stuff around Prem - and the worst is, he abused his kids (in German this word mostly has a sexual connotation) .... and what did this guy (my premie friend) do? He laughed it off ... and started to answer something which I knew would be coming (like: how could I be so stupid to believe what I read on the www...etc.) I interrupted him so he could not finish his answer and suggested that we should just be tolerant of each other's views and that it's fine both ways. I can't blame him however: nearly 50 years of indoctrination will not pass without any traces. 

In his eyes it is US who are crazy or stupid or whatever you  want to call it.



As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)



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02/15/2024, 05:23:51
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Yes, I also heard "they" call Marolyn "a scorpio" -- but this is (also) her astrological birth sign. And I know exactly what Premlata is talking about, I have had some (a few, thank goodness) people with this sign in my life, and they have a tendency to lash out without any warning. 

And their lashes can be quite destructive. This is "their" dark side --- on their light side, they can be the most pleasant ppl around!






As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)


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02/15/2024, 05:42:44
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No, I couldn't be 'tolerant of each other's views' on this. It either happened or it didn't happen, and it's not a matter of a point of view. 

We now have a taped phone call with the kids and Prem on the line (from 2019, so before deep fakes) so I'm very much inclined to believe Hans and Shana's take. How could you not?

I'm growing more intolerant with age, and I have to watch out for that, but I'm really not up for having facts batted away as hearsay. 

Acceptable: I'll take your 'facts' and go away and do some research.






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02/15/2024, 07:55:51
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I completely understand what you're saying, and my tendency is the same. 

However, if you (someone, a wellmeaning naive premie) get such a big shocking news, your first reaction will always be: this cannot be true. This MUST not be true... 

I only hope this guy will call me again, and we can have a chance to find common ground, so that he would slowly but surely be able to open up to *reality* as it is.

Nearly 50 years of brainwashing - and always "having a good experience" meaning: feeling so nicely comfortable in your little armchair, you might not want to hear anything which could shake the very grounds of your ....what you think is: "reality". To understand that for half a century, which is about 80% of your lifetime, you were deceived, taken for a ride etc.pp. .... that is something which most ppl will not be able to digest. 

I do hope he is strong or at least, curious enough to get back to me and look for another opportunity to talk about it more in depth.

And by the way: I, for one, read this phone call info just a few hours ago - whereas my phone call with this dear premie already happened a few days in the past. So I was not completely up-to-date.

And also, I would not want to spoil our first phone call after ~45-48 years of not knowing anything about how life unfolded for each of us. So, I am patient. And either something caught in him and he does want to know more, then he will call again. And if not: too bad for him, not for me.  



As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)



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02/14/2024, 21:04:50
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1. Hans Rawat posted the following on Facebook:

"Terrible crimes were committed by people in high positions within the cult and the coverup of those crimes continues to this day. The public deserves to know because this rebranded cult is still trying to indoctrinate and scam unsuspecting and vulnerable people around the world including students, law enforcement, veterans, politicians, inmates etc."

2. Shana Noel Rawat posted the following on this forum and on Facebook:

"Its a fact that family members and many others know that Both Marolyn and Prem are pedophiles with child sexual abuse victims."

"The daughters were present when Prem Rawat confessed to ongoing molestation years ago on a recorded call. One daughter later asked the victim her brother if $100,000 would be enough..." (Not to be misinterpreted as ongoing to this day.)

"The Prem Rawat foundation/ timeless today and members of his family would rather protect their pedophile cult leader than protect the public. My husband is not the only victim. He is the only victim willing to speak out."

3. Anth Ginn posted about overhearing something that strongly corroborates what Shana has been saying:

https://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/forum?cmd=get&cG=9333233323&zu=3933323332&v=2&gV=0&p=

4. Prembio posted his transcription of what might be portions of the recorded call Shana referred to. I say "portions" because 1) the topic of his post implies that he heard Prem Rawat confess in the recorded call, but the confession is not included in his transcription; and 2) Prembio states that "He didn't say much, he sounded like a broken man, whether from fear or shame I cannot say."

5. In his transcript, Prembio states that "Rawat had been informed a few days earlier by Premlata that Hans Pal was accusing him of early childhood sexual abuse..." Moreover, Prembio quotes Hans Pal as saying "Did you know that Mum also abused me but refuses to admit it. When we lived in Miami in the early 80s she directly sexually abused me in an incestual manner."

(Note that Prembio transcribed the word "also." )
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My heart goes out to Hans and Shana.






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02/15/2024, 16:16:12
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(Text removed by Admin at Shana's request as it minimises what happened.)


Hans: So I have a question for you Dad, uh did you not know that
inappropriately touching a child's genitals was immoral and would
have negative impact, a life changing impact on Amar and I (Small but important correction made by Admin.) ?


Prem: Is that a q, Are you asking me that question?


Hans: Yes


Prem: Now I realise that that's true, now I do, I do, I do


Hans: But but back then it it didn't occur to you


Prem; No,it didn't and the reason why it didn't because in our
family, in our, in our whatever India was, it was very common. It was
not a, it was not a taboo thing







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02/15/2024, 17:23:57
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I edited Prembio's post on Shana's request because what happened to Hans was far worse than normal contact from parents.  I appreciate this isn't made clear in the telephone recording, apart from Hans's use of the word 'inappropriate'.

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02/21/2024, 13:15:34
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A third option comes to mind: 
..possibly it could be just the pain of a child caught in the act when they know that continuing to lie about themselves will no longer save them from whatever they must expect now.



As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)



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