Of course that alerted my interest in finding out about her.... so I landed on her FB page. At first, the page seemed to be kind of 'censored' (meaning: not fully public), so that I asked Shana if I could be her FB friend. Her response was positive, and all of a sudden I could read more postings which I had not seen before.

A few days later, she wrote me a private message asking me to tell her my story. Those in here who know me will be aware that I have no 'horror stories' to tell, as I was a young mother already, when I received K. and so the 'cup' of being an ashram premie passed me by gracefully. Just being a regular community member, my experiences were mostly positive - which was mostly due to the very pleasant and loving behaviours among each other. But this picture changed over the years, and what used to be the kind of a 'developed hippie scene' enriched by what we thought was a spiritual development slowly but surely deteriorated.

I had always been a kind of sceptic (generally) person to try and find out what's (probably) going on behind the scenes .... I had started out in my early premie days with M's claim that "Knowledge is completely free of charge" ... and that was my gimmick by which I would plug into the endeavour. "So let's see, what happens if I take him by his words"  was my approach.

Over the years I realized that the majority of premies developed into 'loners' who no longer were aware of the whole community, but mainly looking for their 'best position possible' to get as close as possible to the 'master'.  ... I became more and more critical and distanced myself from this development just as my former good friends (my original peer group) had imperceptibly distanced themselves from "a too close personal relationship" with me - one of the foot soldiers of DLM, and therefore, unimportant to them.

Etc. etc. I could go on and on, because in those 15 years, I "realized" (in the proper sense of the word) more and more that this just was no longer "my crowd", 'my kind of' people. It was one sad 'realization' after the other - and yet, I blamed the flaws in their individual characters instead the hierarchy which filtered these behaviours through, from top to bottom. It took me a looong time to understand that *the fish stinks from the head* and when I finally fully realized that this was really the case with what had become of the former idealistic DLM (with the help of all the expremies websites), my house of cards finally crashed for good. [And the constant flow of malibu guys and gals touring the communities for money they needed for *projects* (meaning ever more expensive consumer goods) were the point in time where I thought to myself: 'I think now they have lost it completely'. The peak being collecting money for "HIS" private plane! This was utterly appalling to me!]

I need to stop my story here, because it is really too late (early morning hours) and I need to go to bed for now.

I am so happy with myself that I allowed myself to go through this bumpy kind of ride through my "premie" years and to end up here ... in a community of people, who sooner or later had found the way back to their honesty towards themselves. Kudos to all of you! 

The point I *really* wanted to make is in the headline already ... and the thank you is for lakeshore for "importing" the matter over here.

Susan Haupt

Something that stood out for me was a screenshot of a text conversation between Shana and another family member.

Shana raised the issue of child abuse, and she responded with something like the issue needs handling intelligently and strategically. Shana's response was that it needed handling honestly.

I've been looking all around for that screenshot, but can't find it again.

Kind of damning I thought. Something someone didn't do probably doesn't need handling strategically. Bit like our old Queen forking out £12,000,000 to give to an abused woman Prince Andrew insisted he never met.

Have we reached the bottom of the barrel now? Any further and we'll be looking at the nature of the ground underneath the barrel.

Strength and courage to these victims speaking out!

Maybe you can fix it? 

I was shocked. I never had even considered that any thing worse than being spoiled and having to grow up with everyone around you believing your father is God and being sycophantic could have been the fate of a child in that family. 

Now I see the trap of being a child surrounded by people who believe your father is their Master quite differently. 

Edit- I did worry, not knowing how the Perfect Master could be both omniscient and Jagdeo could be a mahatma, that one reason to try to tell Guru Maharaj Ji about Jagdeo was to keep Jagdeo away from his own children. 

I saw the screenshot of the brief text exchange you referred to. It's exactly as you describe. The fact that you saw it, interpreted it correctly and drew the correct conclusion gives me a great sense of validation and relief. It's why I made that post.

I just looked again and the screenshot and commentary that puts it in context is still there. Again, I encourage anyone interested to look at the first post at the top of Shana Noel Rawat's Facebook page and click on the 24 comments. Those comments help eliminate the mystery of some - but not all - of what this is about. The screenshot is about half-way down when scrolling through the comments.

Please read the comments. The truth is aching to get out.

My sense is that the screenshot may be a very small piece of the corroborating evidence. It is, however, enough on its own to remove any shred of doubt regarding Shana's credibility. 

And Malibu's.

For personal reasons, I'm reluctant to do that, at least for the time being. My personal reasons certainly don't apply to others. After all, what's been exposed so far is public information. My hope is that one way or another, it will eventually all come out in a more comprehensive and unfettered way. Sadly, tragically and unfortunately, it's a truth that must be exposed to the sincere seekers of truth.

Bob