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Did Prem Rawat ever claim to be god?
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01/22/2024, 13:38:45
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A few years ago, I got caught-up in an exchange with another poster here about whether or not Prem Rawat ever claimed to be god. My argument was based on "If A = B and B = C, then A = C." In other words, if Prem Rawat = Guru Maharaji and Guru Maharaji = greater than god, the Lord, All Powerful, Perfect Master and whatnot, then Prem Rawat = all that and then some.

I lost the argument because Prem never said "I am god." 

I just stumbled on something on Facebook. Someone related to a premie I know and who seems not to be a fan of Prem Rawat was reminding that premie of something. I'm only sharing it because having been in a similar situation, this person's tone made me laugh:
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One more time,...

For those who Insist
Prem Rawat,.. when he was known as Guru Maharaj Ji,... Never said he was God
Incarnate,.. 
Prem Rawat = Guru
Maharaj Ji called himself "The Perfect Master",.. No one can dispute
that,... 
Others also called him that,
and he accepted that Title "Perfect Master",..

Well, here it is,.. His
own published Words,.. In his Own Magazine,.. From July 1973,... When I was 22,
and a devotee of his,... 
This is where he states
that ;

The "Perfect
Master" is the incarnation of God Himself,...

This was from a
magazine called "And it is Divine",..
That was published by
Prem Rawats Org "The Divine Light Mission",...
And,... Prem Rawat =
Guru Maharaj Ji,.. Was The EDITOR,..
He Approved every word
in the Magazine.

==========================

"The greatest
problem all around the world today, whether in America, Japan, China, Russia,
India or anywhere else in the world, is that people are not in peace. People
want peace. Today, if two people fight, the government is supposed to settle
them down. But when governments fight, who is going to settle them down? The
only one who can settle the governments down is the Perfect Master, the
incarnation of God Himself, who comes to Earth to save mankind."

Guru Maharaj Ji Tokyo,
Japan, October 3, 1972 (And it is Divine, July 1973)

=====

Please, here it is,..
again,.. in case you missed that last sentence ;

"The only one who
can settle the governments down is the Perfect Master, the incarnation of God
Himself, who comes to Earth to save mankind."

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I'm sorry if I disappointed anyone who saw the topic and expected something serious. I half expect someone to drop by and say "No no no! That doesn't count. He never said he was god. No cheating!"







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01/22/2024, 14:28:16
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'If A = B and B = C, then A = C' has got to be step one of logic.

But somehow, logic itself became unacceptable to many premies, at least when applied to Mr Rawat.

The cult was a logic free zone, unless it was Indian logic. I remember a mahatma explaining that a swan was pure because it had filters in its beak to filter out the sediment, so that it could drink clean water. I knew he was right about the filters, but they are for skimming out the crud from the water, the crud being swan food. I still stayed though, thinking I had western logic and Indian logic available to me. The beginning of cognitive dissonance.

When we sang Arti, and meant it, I don't remember him looking around to see who we were singing it to. Thankfully, I've now forgotten the words, but it was full Hindu superlatives. Wasn't he greater than God?






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01/22/2024, 15:08:00
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Yes, well there you go, He never said he was God.

He never asked for money either.






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01/22/2024, 19:04:57
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I took some of the more outlandish claims and put them on susiewasapremie on Facebook and Instagram. Also check out premrawatcult site. I just take a little bit from the prem-Rawat-bio.org site usually to illustrate the cult. He’s got a massive amount of documentation. Far more than could ever move to social media. Also see what premrawatcult is doing on Instagram. 

I removed a post I just made decided a comment here better. There is a ton of discussion on Facebook especially in the comments on my page and Don Johnson’s. It’s not as great for following a thread, things get collapsed. But many voices speaking out that don’t post here. Some from here too! 

There was a really sad plea from person who grew up with the cult on the ex-premies site on Facebook. It’s an open group and some interesting posts there too. 









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01/22/2024, 19:32:44
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Hi Susan - do you have a link to the expremies page on Facebook? thanks in advance



As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)



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01/22/2024, 21:20:54
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/9488014569/


Hope that works. I have had more than one conflict with the group's moderator so I blocked for my sake and left the group. It's still useful because it's the way many people communicate these days. Maybe there should be another group with similar rules to here. 

If you send a message to susiewasapremie on messenger would love to communicate with people who want to as well. Met people from all over the globe since I started wasapremie 











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01/23/2024, 07:10:27
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As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
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01/22/2024, 19:40:31
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In 1973 or 74 (?) there was this huge festival in the Houston astrodome.... and there he said something that came close ... or in other words: we non-native English speakers misunderstood it thoroughly:

"I am your Godfather" 

Most of us didn't know that Godfather is the technical term for a person who is present at the baptising of a baby, and the godfather commits himself to be responsible for the child's religious education.

Took quite a bit until we misunderstanders got it right. I remember how outrageous I felt about his shameless claim. *giggle* :D :D :D

PS: I just posted a lil comment on YouTube responding to a video of 1973 ... wondering how long it will take till "they" take me apart. *g*





As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)


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01/23/2024, 05:36:02
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Clicking on the link, to go see any reactions.... youtube says: 
"Dieses Video ist nicht mehr verfügbar"
(This video is no longer available.) 



As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)



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01/23/2024, 09:13:51
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disappear amazing quick response to disappear a video from YouTube. I have linked to them and seen them disappear within hours too. 

  Do you recall who posted this?

(Blessing to all the forum monitors. Hold strong, know in your heart what is real, nothing else matters, not even the worst things you could imagine will break the experience your master has given you. In his words, “the piano hasn’t fallen on me yet”)

Here is some inspiration - 







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01/23/2024, 14:30:38
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Do I remember who posted this? Sure, it was YOU (at least I think so) ... I clicked on the 2 links you gave me above, or not? My head is so full with stuff I am actually working on, there's hardly any room left in my memory.

The only other option would be that I ran over this link on FB, when I clicked your 2 links above. 

PS: What does BTDT mean/stand for?



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01/23/2024, 18:12:28
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Hmm, I will go through my links see if I can find it. 

BTDT - been there done that. 






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01/23/2024, 19:03:04
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Never ran across this BTDT abbrevation. 

PS: Are there no smileys available in the text body?




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He did better than say he was God
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01/29/2024, 17:12:56
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I remember him saying that the Guru "aka" perfect master (himself) was greater than God

 








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01/29/2024, 21:28:32
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Yes. He sure did! Nice to see your posts. 







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Yes. He sure did! Nice to see your posts. 







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