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SuzyQ ®

06/25/2017, 00:30:20
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or some such feeling......

That was something I was afraid of loosing when I exited the cult.
Although at the time of ex-ing my life was in a bit of a mess and i was experiencing the fallout of not exercising critical thinking, falling into the ways of another narc in a personal relationship, and feeling cruelly treated by the universe and more than half the people in it.

Neither prem rawat nor his foundation-less knowledge was helping. In fact hindering the entire process, I was later to discover.

So I guess there was nothing much left to lose in that way at that point.It felt like the world was against me and all i had at times was my illusory love- prem

After the initial phase of ex-ing it took me a while even so, to understand that I could, if I preferred it, still carry with me a feeling of the universe working for me, in my best interests, beyond what I may imagine that to be.

 It wasn't hard to feel that in the first instance, when i first discovered some truth about prem rawat, when after much self enquiry and pleading to any higher power I could summon  ( Jesus as it turned out) I discovered the reason I had attracted the crazy, idiot, narc relationship that was causing 7 degrees of hell into my sphere.
The startling reason was I had a long distance obsession with a full blown narc called prem running 24/7 !!!!
So yes in the beginning I did feel like the universe is working with me, for me, even though it took me 30 years to get there (what's 30 years in the life of an infinite being? a far out friend of mine would say)

But sifting through the long held beliefs that I didn't know I had, was this idea that it was because of him I felt that, and part of me had suspended belief in that fact because I didn't believe him anymore.

looking back before I was seduced into the cult ( that's pretty much what happened actually)
 I did have an inbuilt faith that life was on my side. So I decided I could take that belief further on my journey now, consciously, not because of any teacher, or any happening but just because I hold true to the understanding the creative power is love.

When things happen, as they inevitably have done, that cause me angst of some kind I can react in 2 ways. Either life is for me or life is against me.
It's been nice to discover the differences in my reactions from either of those points of view. Feeling like life is for me I can look the cold hard facts in the eye and still feel safe. I am more likely to have fun

When in the cult I was emotionally kidnapped to the point that who I identified as Me was in fact a construct.I was basically telling myself it's not safe to Be Me
 
So although my faith in Life being for me (and it still was) my idea of that 'me' was as a servant to prem rawat - so the rest of me that wasn't captured and was waiting on the sidelines could not receive the blessings and good stuff that arrived - because some of what arrived didn't fit the PR bill- and was dismissed by the cognitive dissonance avoidance monitors at the door.

For example, some people who strongly disagreed with my cult involvement would have been easily dismissed from my contact

In effect my identity had been hijacked a little bit, maybe more than I care to admit.
I identified as a premie first, lol
It's lol now!

Any how it's good because I see that yes, I can feel life is on my side. 
Evidence being I am no longer in a cult!
... along with mounting evidence of goodness and kindness in my world and in me.

Once a long time ago I had a dream that I found a diamond in a mountain of shit while on a school trip. 
It feels a bit like that sifting through the mire of maya he regurgitated all over the place to find the jewels that are me and mine that have endured the entire process and are just waiting for a polish and some recognition and some light to reflect in.

It's kind of exciting....it is a renewal.

Even the fact that humanity needs a secret technique that will only be revealed to the special (brainwashed) ones is an idiot idea when I think about it. 
Surely all we needed was that sincere heart , which he requested of us in the beginning.

Unfortunately I had my heart listen to his mind instead of mine.
 I love my mind, I'm happy with the way I think thanks very much prem.
I wish i could interview you actually, I'd run rings around you
SO boring listening to his alcoholic, vain, narc ramblings for so long.

 His self inflated identity became an interloper in my identity, an energy vampire, a parasite. 
Slowly, very slowly, that's why it lasted 30 years. 
Eventually as a host I just dried up prem and you fell off like a fat tick.











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06/27/2017, 06:47:10
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another lovely post, Suzy and again lots of interesting stuff in it that I relate to.

But I have questions, don't feel you have to answer them if you don't want to, but here they are - was your family religious?  had you started getting interested in Jesus before exiting?  who got you thinking about him?  do you have a church you belong to now?

imo, the thing that attracts narcissists is simply your good nature.  That's it - and they're good at playing on it to get what they want.  You always had a good nature and you always will have it.  We're their natural prey. 

The scary tenant taught me a lot.  Rather terrifyingly I have put two and two together and come up with I am a sucker for a nice voice tone.  Oh god, it's awful - I had to promise myself to be cautious if someone sounds nice!  






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06/27/2017, 16:48:38
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haha, sorry to laugh but that's kind of hilarious Lesley, it reminds me of a 'black books'  episode where Fran has a thing for the guy who does the shipping news.

Thanks for your questions

My family was mixed up christian, catholic and anglican, consequently we went to the protestant church as kids because we could walk there- and give mum a morning without us. No brand allegiance just moral codes to live by, that sort of thing

 I have always been interested in all manner of philosophies and religions and have studied at length with the western mystery school 
(Qabala,tarot, hebrew even and of course christian references within that) and also with the deer tribe, american indian wisdom.

All of it has a place in me and I enjoy where it all meets up. A number of times I will make a reference to a tarot card by way of explanation because thats is the symbol at the time that says it all, knowing the meaning of the symbols and the root of the hebrew describing the symbols.

No body suggested I pray to jesus, i just did...
I was clutching at straws, unable to sleep, tears pouring down my face unable to stop crying. It's just the sort of thing one does in that state I guess at 3 in the morning

praying to rawat had felt increasingly disconnected and empty, this was before i exited or really had any criticism of rawat
all i knew was I couldnt practise or watch a video to the end and i found him irritating or boring or becoming irrelevant.
anyway the contrast in the feeling was notable

I have no church, unless it's a beautiful tree or special spot in the forest somewhere, not sure I ever will, the group thing is not attractive

Also I have a mix of ideas that have all served me by way of explaining the way life is to me, the native american ideas and observations among some of the best IMO, which I have carried all this way, with or without rawat

All that study I did while still in the cult, I must have been missing something...
I know various premie friends and my husband wondered what the hell I was doing sometimes
As it was, I just thought I have a voracious mind that needs to follow what it's interest is

I feel like all experiences of a subtle intuitive nature are very hard to explain,I'm sure you've all experienced that, because there are nuances and feeling connected to a matrix of feelings in your mind at one time. Simultaneously there are many epiphanies being reached at once and the explanation of the story to myself can sometimes have me believe the reduced to words version rather than the original feeling that was all encompassing. 
Our belief systems have a lot to do with our interpretations i realise and I am happy with that. 
I have been interested in finding out more about christianity since leaving the cult, partly because of the lack of moral fibre in the cult and in me when I observe my behaviour over the years. 
It's an independant kind of study this time with no class work apart from my own self directed enquiry
I am a bit of an experimenter and adventurer in some ways, which can lead me into some good and of course at least one significant unsavoury encounter, with the cult.
The thing that kept me there was a stronger sense of loyalty than a sense of questioning, it's been good to understand that about me, how I can stick at things way past them not working 

I think we all have an inclination to respond to tone of voice for what it's worth Lesley
how in hell did we put up with his screeching?







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06/27/2017, 20:02:16
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glad you laughed.    I'm often funniest at my most abject.

Yes, you're probably right about the tone of voice, it's very specific tho - terrifying.  I heard it again on the phone the other day - problem with solar electricity and I rang the number in the meter box - one minute we are having a normal interaction and the next moment I am plunged in fright as I catch up to the tone recognition and I think I must have been a bit abrupt and he got a bit humpy and we managed to conclude the conversation alright - he wasn't the solar electrician - but I think he probably was a nice guy who I was a bit rude to.

My father had two complaints to make about Rawat when I joined up - the rolls royce (well, he didn't have one) and the screechy voice.

Ah, so no church, that's good, no need to share Jesus with anyone else, he's yours alone.

I have only rarely experienced an intimate inner connection - the first one was with my teddybear, goodness I loved that bear.  He was a wise and wonderful companion.  

My brother gave him to me and impressed with the success of the gift, the next year he gave me an identical bear.  Except he wasn't, it was all bright yellow instead of nicely brown like mine had become and it wasn't the same at all, like a stuffed shirt.  But it was the same thing, it had just been given to me and I became deeply confused, I couldn't love them both, how could it even exist - it was distressing.  The new one stayed yellow and even worse, things were never the same again between me and my teddybear.

I guess it was pretty much the same with Jesus and Maharaji for me.  Except I never really had much of a thing for him, it was my mum who did.  Teddybear for me.  Tho I had recognised he was a stuffed toy, I never felt betrayed by him.










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