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My father-in-law invented the CURVED BARAGON
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OTS ®

05/11/2017, 19:57:31
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“COME TO
MILLELNNIUM.  THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE IS
HERE.”

This is what my father-in-law used to shout out of his
window with his kids in the car – all premies – riding down Fifth Avenue in New
York City in 1972.

My wife, Lil’ Darlin (who posted here a couple times 15
years ago, but is busy), got her father, now 91, into Knowledge and he “received
it” from Mahatma Gurucharnanad Ji on 84th Street in Manhattan, where
his daughter was the damn overworked to death housemother.  They had knowledges sessions there like
Broadway – two shows a day.  Along with
her father, Lil Darlin took her brother to Millennium in the Houston Astrodome,
where he got the Knowledge you can’t get in college.

My father-in-law’s family came from Europe, and were all master
craftsmen -- woodcrafters.

I went to India and worked in the Baragon shop for a
bit.  Those things actually sucked.  They were flat with a hard laminated surface
on top and hurt like hell to rest your elbows and arms leaning on them to
assist you in keeping them propped up so you could do the Light and Sound
techniques, each separately, not at the same time (you idiots!). 

My father-in-law, I believe invented the first ever ITALIAN
PROVINCIAL STYLE CURVED BARAGON.  He had
a wood shop where he had workers and did big jobs in NYC.  His baragons had a CURVED top, with gold leaf
inlay on the sides for spiritual pizzazz, done in an antique white finish and he gave it to his daughter as a
gift and made a lot more. 

As I saw it, this became a craze, and all premies,
IMMEDIATELY HAD TO HAVE ONE – a curved top piece that screwed into the bottom
and was finally somewhat comfortable.

My father-in-law now does Tai’ Chi, swims and some other
exercises.  Smiles, laughs, drives, goes
to Jazz shows and lives by himself -- for decades, and is doing great.  He only lasted a little while with the
Knowledge.  But deserves a place in
infamy. 






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Posted by:
Jethro ®

05/11/2017, 22:55:52
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Kudos to your FIL. 
Where I live we have a few people in their 90s who are still grooving along.
My late auntie Clare who died a couple of years ago, at a few months short of 100 wasn't as active as your FIL, but she did read the Daily Mirror everyday for over 60 years....that was her mantra :>

Regarding beragons, I made them as part of my service at Wringford Manor, the place where novitiate ashram premies went to in the early 70s.

They were not the curvy-type, but the straight type with a thick foam on the flat bit covered in red velvet. No soar arms from my beragons.

I did meet up with a honcho premie in the early 90s who told me she still used the beragon I made. I was a bit shocked because he had banned them years before...still, I didn't tell on her. :>










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philareflection ®

05/11/2017, 23:17:27
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i forgot that word "beragon" - am I still allowed to say it.

I thought they were so taboo to even talk about






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05/13/2017, 13:40:58
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My first baragon was wooden with a curved top.  My second baragon was wooden with two inches of foam.  A friend, Steve, made it for me.  It also had a telescopic or adjustable leg.  I kept that until the early 2000s.  It was a comfy one.





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Howardyang ®

05/14/2017, 16:10:29
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If bargagons  were "outlawed"...does that mean "light" and "sound" techniques are no longer taught or practiced??






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05/14/2017, 19:04:34
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No, the light and sound techniques had to be practised without support for the arms. I attended one of Rawat's 'Rejoice' events where he personally gave Knowledge reviews and gave this instruction. He told us to rest when practicing these techniques became too uncomfortable.






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05/14/2017, 20:07:29
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Was he able to demonstrate these techniques for 15 minutes or, God Forbid, more?






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Nobody could do it!
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05/15/2017, 03:04:45
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You can't sit still for 15 minutes with your arms in the air as he recommended for technique number 2. When people talked about tired arms, he said just rest them. Then start again. Waiting for your arms to ache too much to sustain the position, resting them till they'd recovered enough to start, doing it again till they ached too much, which isn't as long as the last time... this was no way conducive to concentration or relaxation. I was there when he described doing the techniques that way, and it seemed nuts, but not nuts enough for me to get up and walk away. I just used my knees. In the end, I gave up on all that malarkey, as just sitting very quietly seemed all that was needed. I did have pretty profound experiences meditating, but it was nothing to do with the techniques. I guess the techniques were important this way - that if you've sold yourself as the Perfect Master with the secret technique to connect directly to God, an initiation that was no more involved than sitting quietly might not have been a bit of a let-down.






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Ye, even Moses needed help to keep his arms up to keep the red sea open
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05/15/2017, 04:11:07
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But, not wishing to contradict you, it is possible to do the technique without support, because I did it.
If you are not in your mind, you can do anything the born lord of yogis says. FFS it was agya. How did you dare disobey?
 






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05/15/2017, 04:24:47
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Lol, I would lay down and then half fall asleep






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05/15/2017, 04:35:29
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At the time I was working on farms and as a builder's labourer. I had muscles on my muscles. Maybe my arms were too heavy? Yeah, must be. Surely I had good reason to doubt and disobey the lord of the universe?  My arms got too heavy earning all that money I needed to follow the lord around, so that's why I didn't become a realised soul. That must be it.






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05/15/2017, 06:01:10
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after the beragons were taken away someone told me that Maharaji had said that you could do the techniques lying down.  

I've been lying down on the job ever since.  






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05/15/2017, 06:32:12
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I have had acute tinnitus for several years(that's my excuse for being obstreperous and generally  unpleasant and grumpy and hardly talk to anyone) and one of the ways I get a little relief is thumbs in ears for 5-10 minute. 
(in any position).








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05/15/2017, 07:05:22
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Same here. On the upside, it's the same thing as I heard doing the technique that reveals the Divine Music. These days I struggle to ignore it, rather than then, struggle to perceive it. I'll try your technique Jethro next time I'm failing to ignore it. Cheers.






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05/16/2017, 03:39:35
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Actually a few people could do it. People who spent their teenage years training for swimming competitions, yoga, surfing, acrobatics, gymnastics, etc. These people were probably not Rawat's core group of followers whose major repetition exercise was holding a chillum up until it went out.
On a different tack you've completely defined my career as a premie. Everything was always nuts but not nuts enough for me to get up and walk away.






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05/16/2017, 12:41:56
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"Everything was always nuts but not nuts enough for me to get up and walk away."

That pretty much sums up my life!






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05/17/2017, 01:09:06
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The perfect group. Hard working, thin, strong but wiry, no unnecessary muscle bulk. Patient. Able to withstand adversity.






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05/16/2017, 11:04:33
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It just occurred to me that in my Knowledge session, Mahatma Pardathanand made us learn the techs without baragons.  It wasn't easy.  Then we were allowed baragons. 






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