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karenl ®

09/05/2016, 20:31:58
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Calcutta Will Take a Century to Recover from Mother Teresa

https://missionariesofcharity.wordpress.com/2016/09/03/calcutta-will-take-a-century-to-recover-from-mother-teresa/


Did no one know that she hobnobbed with the Duvaliers of Haiti whose brutality was

unsurpassed (whose opponents were often cut up and fed to dogs)? No one in India

wanted to know. For the Western media, she was a metaphor, a set­piece, a stratospheric

certainty of image in an uncertain and changing world. Conversely, Kolkata was the

opposite metaphor of absolute degradation where “foetuses are given to dogs to eat” (as
remarked by her “other self” Francis Goree).


It was beyond the West’s interest, energy or remit to robustly challenge these wrong

stereotypes. But did Indian journalists not know that her main bank was the Vatican Bank,

a dark cavern of corruption, intrigue and murder? Before she died, it was well known that

she had accepted millions from Charles Keating, the notorious American swindler, but no
one in India cared.

I wonder how long it will take the world to recover from the Lord Of The Universe? Will he end with a BANG! or a whisper?  Does this over inflated wind bag leave a wake of pollution and destroyed lives behind him, or is his effect on us end up as a tiny pimple that is gone in a few days?

I know for each of us the story is highly personal. The degree of damage is as unique as each of our fingerprints. What happens if each of us steps away and sees this whole drama as a tiny soap bubble. POP it. It is as if it never existed.

That will be the greatest insult to the ji. For his life to be as if he never lived. Let's do THAT! Heal to the point that he has no power over us. He is invisible. He is NOTHING. What if we googled him and nothing came up.

Karen

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09/06/2016, 17:08:32
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When I was a child, my mother would dispense snippets of wisdom with the hopes of molding character and inspiring virtue. I recall her telling us (myself and 3 other siblings) timeless quotes like "the only triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" and "The British Empire set out to do good...and they did just fine" (meaning they reaped financial rewards beyond conception). Most of India's recent history is not complete without understanding British influence. These are the guys who imported whole ship's-full of opium into China after all...with hopes of cornering most of the eastern shipping trade.

In the case of Mother Theresa, I am sorry.... but every charismatic story out of India is now suspect and under review for relevancy. Mother Theresa spent a lifetime providing sanctuary to the the disadvantaged...or so we are told. Mahatma Gandhi stood out as the incorruptible figurehead of Peaceful Protest and resistance (against the British). Anyone recall Gunga Din (the original premie) ?

But look at it this way, this is a sub-continent rife with embellished tales of saint-hood and legendary enlightened characters enshrined in holiness. All you need is a few hundred devotees...a few obscure historical references and voila: a guru worthy-of-unquestioned devotion (complete with an aura around his photo-likeness).

If you ask me, India is the worst promoter of dis-information on spiritual matters ever...cast over centuries, maybe even millennia, second only to the Vatican. A Close 3rd might be the religion of Islam.

I distinctly remember Rawat saying that (not verbatim) that the biggest obstacle to the Perfect Master's objective (in this world) was Religion. Hmm, I wonder if he has thought this through. 

Fast forward 30 years and he is fully and totally enshrined in RELIGION. Make no mistake, Premie-dom and Rawatism is bursting at the seams with good old fashioned Religiosity in every form, facet and function. 

Last I am pleased and relieved that EPO exists and that this forum attempts (however falteringly) to state the truth and offer safe passage for anyone who finally embraces fundamental doubt with regards to Prem Rawat and his Dogma of Deceit.

He is not alone however... To be Perfectly Fair he should pose with such luminaries as Amma or The Pope rather than Desmond Tutu, but it's all up for grabs. Money money money, admit it  Guru-Ji, that's what you love most. I am sure there is still room on lower Manhattan for Rawat-Towers...
 

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09/07/2016, 17:40:45
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....maybe the Duvaliers & Charles Keating got to believe they'd done one good thing before they died, & meanwhile MT got a shed load of money which wasn't forthcoming from anywhere else, to do the necessary.

Equating her with Rawat is ridiculous. I reckon these Indian commentators are piqued because it took a European Christian to do the real dirty work of rescue, which Hindu culture regards as beneath its elevated sense of itself.






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09/08/2016, 14:45:00
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apparently Mother Theresa spent most of her time flying around in a private plane visiting her friends.

there is a lot of criticism of her attitude to the poor and the quality of care she provided at the clinics.  

she leaves Rawat for dust when it comes to the amount of donation money she collected.  but no pain relief at the clinics.  and no birth control either of course.

Christopher Hitchens called her Hell's Angel.  I don't know all the criticisms but there's a lot of people who are very unimpressed with her.






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09/08/2016, 14:53:47
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09/10/2016, 11:31:11
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I love Hitchens.  Intelligent far beyond me, and his skepticism is spot on.

M. Teresa is a big hypocrite for accepting awards and money from despots, unless there's some Catholic doctrine that allows nuns and priests to deal with  characters like that.  On behalf of the Lord, probably.

I just got done with providing end of life care to Tom, and the conditions of the hospital for dying people are deplorable.  Not all dying people are in a lot of pain.  But everyone should have an evaluation by a medical professional each day to check if they require meds for anything.  Palliative care is so individual.  And using dirty needles for IV drops is beyond the pale.

Hitchens gives good evidence for the "Mother Teresa Personality Cult."  That's how I see her.  Her stance on abortion, and especially anti-birth control, is the Catholic doctrine.  That is a cruel measure to inflict upon those in poverty.







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09/11/2016, 17:15:30
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09/12/2016, 01:12:18
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Cynthia's criticism is perfectly valid. The catholic church's proscription of abortion is a bit heavy or for pure heaviness, the notion of our burden of the original sin, guilty before you get started. Declaring someone a saint is nonsense unless the pope really is infallible, but that's just silly 






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09/12/2016, 09:24:21
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I was referring to Cynthia's providing end of life care to her husband Tom. She said the conditions of the hospital are deplorable. That's heavy imo.






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09/12/2016, 09:45:00
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Yes, that's heavy.

You folks need a National Health Service, paid for out of general taxes and free at the point of use. That might help.






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09/12/2016, 10:20:17
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Actually, Medicare paid 100% of hospice, including all the medicines.  That was a big help.






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09/12/2016, 10:36:48
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Reusing needles is so third world! Sorry the service was so poor. Not what you need to be dealing with.<div><br /></div><div>My ex found our health service to be pretty poor when she was dying, but a charity called the Macmillan Trust was really brilliant. Perhaps the NHS didn't have to bother to much with that area, knowing the Macimilan Trust would take up the slack. An anti-capitalist back to nature friend of mine whose son got cancer found that McDonald's provided the greatest care. Yes, the McDonald's we're familiar with. Rather than a private room, there was a little apartment provided so that family could come and go as they liked. The care that kid had was frankly amazing to me. When it comes down to it, you take whatever help is available.</div>






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09/12/2016, 11:27:31
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I visited a number of nursing homes and hospitals with my mum.  

One place was very well funded, she was there for respite and had her own room with a fab new bathroom and picture window with a view of the garden.

She'd been left sitting on the toilet for at least two hours.  She was in a lot of pain by the time I arrived.  So it took me a while to get her settled in bed but I noticed what happened next door.  He had his lunch delivered too, it was sat on one of those wheelie tables right in front of him, he obviously needed help to eat it but she went away and left it there for 20-30 minutes, came back and took it away before I had time to help him.  omg.  no amount of money in the world can fix things like that. 

 






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Ok, so she was no saint (bad pun) but all the same some people, quite a lot I suppose. did end up not dying in the gutter. I don't care about the private plane trips, & I shouldn't imagine many of her clients were bothered about birth control, but yeah the pain control thing is disturbing, especially its raison d'etre as explained in Steve's video. I agreed pretty much with what Hitchens had to say there, but not really when he said that millions more could've been saved without her. By whom, pray? As far a I know her missionary order is the only organisation catering to that particular desperate demographic, though I'm willing to be corrected on that.

Please no-one bring up rawat's eyeglass effort.






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yeah, Rawat's eyeglass effort.  god.     there is something particularly nauseous about his efforts to become a humanitarian.  flying in on his private jet to collect clean environment awards.

and so that is a distinct similarity, the flying around in a private plane.  I bet Mother Theresa had more fun than Rawat - being feted by the rich and famous has to stack up better than getting it from your deluded followers.  

I just see charity as a business, Pat.  If she hadn't cornered the market on the 'slums of Calcutta' someone else would have.  It must have made a fortune back in it's day. 






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Excellent radio drama about Robert Maxwell and her now available
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09/18/2016, 05:03:24
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(you'll need BBC iPlayer to listen to it, though).

Highly recommended.

The Bargain
By Ian Curteis

In 1988, while on a brief visit to London, Mother Teresa of Calcutta met the media tycoon and former MP, Robert Maxwell. There were photographs but no witnesses to the actual conversations that took place. This fictional drama imagines what they might have discussed ...





Related link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07vjsvn
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