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Ophelia, from way back when, and I watched it last night.
I liked it a lot. The similarities between that cult and our cult were very familiar. They had the "Knowing" session. They had "drop your mind". They had feet kissing. The community of people in the cult was very strong and intertwined. In fact, when people realized they had been fooled their sense of loss was mostly for their friends that they missed.
The drip, drip, drip we had regarding Maharaji was very much different than their experience where it all came crashing down at once.
Also, it was interesting to see that they had a deep experience when they received the "Knowing" and shakti experience from Michel/Andreas (the cult leader).
Of course, it was very funny to see that Michel/Andreas was nothing more than a failed actor and porno-actor. At least Maharaji had the lineage back to Jesus or whomever.
The major difference between them and us was they were a much smaller group with 200 people total and they all interacted directly with Michel/Andreas where he really f*cked them up in the head and in the ass (the young men).
Ophelia just reminded me of a the universal truth where someone said that the combination of a narcissist and co-dependents work so well together. Also, Michel/Andreas through his manipulation turned people into co-dependents where he, the Master, was the only answer.
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Hasn't Rawat's path to money, sex and power been copied before?
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http://www.wehoville.com/2016/06/02/holy-hell-the-story-of-the-cult-that-found-a-home-in-weho/
ccording to Goldstein, Andreas was born Jaime Gomez, the son of a wealthy Venezuelan coffee bean farmer. He also at one time used the stage name Michel Rostand. After a stint in the San Francisco Ballet, Andreas developed a following in the mid ’80s using the spiritual teachings of the Maharaj Ji, Osho yoga texts, and the emotional explorations of Sanford Meisner, and many, many others. “He took from everyone,” Goldstein said.
Modified by Susan at Sat, Sep 03, 2016, 15:25:39
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in this context...
"Wow this is so much weirder than my cult"
Think of dancing Mala boobie man... Yeah... Maybe not....
Modified by Susan at Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 16:21:23
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Well, at first I liked what I saw in the Buddha Field cult. It looked like they were having fun.
And then it got pretty creepy.
Weirder than our cult. Hmm, the Mala boobie man? You might be right. It got pretty strange back there.
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We cleaned up all that "sari brigade" mess years ago down here at the TRAC Center....
Maybe you and Rog can room together and tear up the meditation hall with some focused meditation...
Arti is optional, and you can still get a darn good price on charanamrit, which is also optional...
Food's pretty decent, and John Hampton ("Sarge" will be hosting wet t-shirt tuesday night...ladies free!
Respectfully,
hope to see ya soon,
TED Farkel
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thanks for the invite! Will consider this offer 
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I don't know when you exes will ever learn.....
The name's TED, not Ted....
A little respect goes a long way down here...
Thank you,
TED Farkel
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Oh well, though I was especially hoping to recapture the charnamit homeopathic dilution of toe jam high... Guess those days are gone
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Dear TED
Really hope I am not presumptuous here by making a suggestion, but upon reflecting on your post (not using mind of course), I couldn't help but think how great a wet sari contest could be, and how you could infuse the water with charanamrit to possibly get even more gopis involved? Or is that just a Holi rehash? M
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TED We really should do a wet dhoti contest for the guys too, in the interest of fairness, no?
Modified by Roark at Mon, Sep 05, 2016, 12:20:41
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Mr. Roark-TED has to admit, he likes the way you think, yes sirree, TED likes the cut or yer jib, he does…I'll go along with wet sari and wet doti night, and the charanamrit with a new improved industrial strength Holi gun is a stroke of genius. I'm not sure why I didn't think of these things myself…neither did Mr. e-Drek, my spiritual mentor..
So why don't you get together with Mr. e-Drek, work out the details, especially on the Holi gun (I'm thinking some LED lights on that one …), and maybe you can throw in some type of talk about magical healing properties with the charanamrit too…can't hurt, plus we'll have a big disclaimer with it, to protect everyone….on the other hand, we might have some spontaneous healings too...who knows what might happen when things get going here on a full moon at TRAC…?
So TED says go for it, talk with Mr. e-Drek about further details, and we'll go with the usual split at the gate (TED-60%, Roark-20%, e-Drek-20%….)…I think you'll find it more than fair, plus I'll throw in free single lodging for both of you at TRAC…we got a nice new facility out back, behind the hog pen, got it's own private outhouse too….and best of all, no roommates, like Joan, Ira, Arthur, Sarge etc…how's that suit ya? Oh yeah, try working something up on that earth shoe/darshan line, will ya? It could be a real winner down here…nostalgia's making a big comeback these days, gotta stay up with the "good ole days"... Back to work, TED Farkel
Modified by TED Farkel at Tue, Sep 06, 2016, 11:56:11
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beers tomorrow night? what part of the world you in? you fly, I buy (the beers)?
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First of all, I am not at all happy that you get 20% and I get 20%. And then the billing needs to have my name before yours.
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E-drek, First, this was not my idea, it was TED’s, who sits at
the right hand of the Lord and has been given the entire TRAC to run. So I take this chain of command seriously, and I
don’t know if TED has actual Lila capabilities, but I know he is right up there,
and may be testing you. For myself, I am just thrilled the Lord has plucked me
out of oblivion once again for prachar (and my wet dhoti contest was a brilliant
stroke, even if I do say so myself). And
so I am not second-guessing TED, nor the opportunity. The 20% is in line with the profit motive we
have learned the value of, and the billing, well I am just not in my mind
enough to worry about it, or at least too blissed out to even notice if I am even
in my mind or not! You may want to look
at this. But I’ll do whatever TED says
at the end of the day. Here’s a little story for you about agya. One time I burst through a stairwell door and
almost knocked over our Lord, just missed him with the door! His terse words to me were “Cool it, cool it,
GO TO SATSANG!!” It was in the middle of
the day, and as I sat a long time in the empty satsang hall, I pondered the
weighty koan of his direct agya, and how I was so lucky to have received it. But how do I go to satsang in the middle of the
day when there are no programs? Is
satsang even a gathering? Did he mean to
go out in the streets and give people satsang?
Is satsang a state of mind? Am I
in it? I am not sure I ever figured it
out. Not sure why I even brought this up
now, except that you need some satsang, brother. Anyway, I do have an idea for the holi gun. How about if it was a life-size metal sculpture of
Shri Hans, horizontal, belly-down, face pointed forward with hair streaming back
(as if flying) and spread-eagle. The Lord
could stand behind him, holding his holy lotus feet to pivot the gun, and the water/
charanamrit could gush like grace from his mouth and eyes. I am not sure how we can work the LED
lighting in though. I picked up my sacred copy of Hans Yog Parkash (written
by Shri Hans Ji Maharaj himself) this morning, to find a few passages that
might inspire you. Here a few actual quotes: “All
the great saints have bowed at the lotus feet of Guru. He who criticizes his Guru is the most unfortunate of men. One should not even listed to criticism of
one’s Guru.” “One
should be very humble and full of love, bowing at the lotus feet of Guru
Mahajaji. Whatever he commands should be
taken as a gift and accepted with bowed head.” “The
Satguru is one who has no greed, no attachment, no pride, no jealousy. He always speaks of spiritual matters, and
removes the jealousy, pain, doubt and attachment of others. He takes his stand on perpetual truth at all
times. His expression is pleasing and he
is nicely dressed.” I hope this is helpful. Jai Satchitanand, Brother
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Where does TED even begin?First of all, Mr. Roark has just given satsang along with a holy family story that has lifted TED's spirits and the entire TRAC center for a long, long time….so, kudos to Roark. TED rewards excellence here at TRAC, so Mr. Roark's share has just gone up to 25%, and TED says yes to the Shri Hans spread eagle lotus foot directed Holi gun, although we still haven't figured out the LED lighting, and a way to make the whole shebang solar powered.
And Roark also mentioned the many attributes of the Satguru, and although Prem does come up a bit light in almost all of the categories, Prem is well dressed, so kudos for that as well…see, he's a not complete dud after all…plus with La-ex's recent legal explanation of the new "4 in one" perfect mastership, I think we can find some good things here for everyone's taste, when we have the 4 rawat bro's to choose from...... So Mr. e-Drek, TED's a bit conflicted here, and TED don't like being in his mind anymore than he has to be….. And I do owe so much to your wise counsel over the years, even if you do have some pretty substantial "past due" bills here at the TRAC office… But here's the deal…if you can give some equally uplifting satsang (maybe throw in a "holy family" story too), and find us a way to make the Holi gun solar powered with the LED lighting, TED is willing to up your share to 25% too…. As far as who gets top billing, I'll let you guys flip a coin at wet sari night, OK?
So there, I think this might settle this... TED is trying to keep the peace and avoid a "dustup" at the next TRAC event…
Mr. e-Drek, the floor is yours… Would you like to "share some satsang", brother…?
Checkbook's awaiting, TED Farkel
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Ok, ok, ok...
I guess that Mister Mind took over for a little while. I'm back on the Holy Name and I've calmed down.
Yes, now that you mention it, 25% is quite fair.
And Roark sure does know his satsang quotes. I think the idea of honoring Shri Hans is a great idea. It's always worked in the past and I'm sure it will work at the TRAC Centre.
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Thanks TED, and sorry about that guys, maybe have my
baragon ratcheted up too far, squeezing too hard and such. No dust up required (and will leave my own Taser
at home). BTW, I have a great anatomical suggestion for where we
could have the downward pressure relief valve on the Shri Hans gun, could be a VERY
impressive feature. I don't want to overwhelm with satsang, but whilst I was digging for my copy of Hans Yog Prakash, I
ran across the pictured publication from when the Lord was 14. I noticed something a little troubling in the
photo when I looked carefully though, but maybe it is just me. Here is another extremely uplifting quote from the Lord
when he was just 14: “You
are like a useless creature coming to a party where you do not have any
friends, and you do not know why you are there.
You need someone to show you, to tell you why you are there and why you
are invited. You could say I am your best
friend. You must have an aim. Without knowing your soul there is no aim and
true knowledge of your soul comes only from a perfect master. If you cannot actually see God, then for you
God does not exist.” Sure glad I have a best friend! Even if we never really talked and I haven’t seen
him for decades.
Roark
Modified by Roark at Sat, Sep 10, 2016, 14:55:33
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TED: I'll gladly take the 25% of the gate, but my people are at the gate collecting the fees and doing the counting.
TED, the "past due" bills that you mention where I owe you money are due to my inability to comprehend your accounting and bookkeeping practices. I see all the numbers, lines, arrows and erasures. It looks like it should make sense, but it doesn't.
And I don't want you "comping" all your friends and relatives this time, TED. Each time you do that your relatives and friends became a different group of people. Funny, how that works.
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Dear Mr. e-Drek-now let's not count our chickens before they hatch, and ole country boy TED knows something about that,yes he does…TED's good for your 25%, but we need some detailed mechanical drawings or blueprints for the Holi gun, plus a little sat sang to get us on the right track here…
And now, Roark just delivered some more pearls of sat sang wisdom, and I'm afraid we gotta see something comparable from you…if not, he may go to 30%, and we'll have to leave you at 20%….first billing stays the same, coin toss at wet sari night with the lord…
Jai satch, where's the sat sang?, TED Farkel
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TED, you are a bongo.
Bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo!
Have you ever wondered why the Lord himself doesn't show up at TRAK Centre?
I'm sorry, TED, but that is my satsang.
Bholi Shri SatGuruDev Maharaj Ki Jai!
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E-Drek, as Shri Hans Ji Maharaji said: "When the Word of the Perfect Master takes effect, the king loses his pomp and power. He forgets wife, son, riches and all show of royalty, and enters the life divine."
also: "I am ready to sacrifice my body, mind and soul to my Guru. I will never leave my Guru, even if I have to leave God. How can I ever praise him enough? We can never give him anything in return for what he has given us!"
Shri Hans knew what he was talking about, and TED obviously understands these things too. Just trying to be helpful here.
Modified by Roark at Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 10:01:30
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Roark,
First, what kind of name is Roark? What does that mean?
Roark, I'm now entering a murky world here where I tell you the Truth about TED Farkel and TRAC Centre. It's murky because I don't know if you're one of them or not.
Roark, out here in Malibu we, those in the know, refer to TRAC Center as Bongo Town. Bongo Town is a place for those premies taking a one way ride to Palookaville by Guru Maharaji's grace.
Think about it, Roark. Raja Ji, now with Bhole Ji and that's a good thing. And then David Smith, rest in peace. And Joan. The Boss has a certain amount of respect and responsibility for these people, but because there's no money for them in the budget anymore they're being shown the door slowly. So, the Boss signs them up for a trip to Bongo Town on a bogus mission to help spread the word and do some bhakti yoga (old school).
Once, they get to Bongo Town and they've had a drink or two they quickly realize the whole thing is a sham, including the Boss himself. Well, it's that or a nervous breakdown during hubcap arti and they end up staying at TRAC Centre forever. Either way, they leave the Boss alone. Mission accomplished.
Roark, my job is to help transport these once great stars of DLM to the TRAC Center. I convince them that it's all great and I buy them a plane ticket and a bus ticket or two and sometime I accompany them to make sure they don't bolt.
Roark, the only compensation I get out of this doesn't even cover my expenses and tickets and all that stuff. So, here you come with your fancy satsang from Han Yoga Parkash and the next thing is you're getting 30% of the door and my take is down to 20%.
Roark, I hope to see you at the TRAC Centre, but it means that you're one of "them", one of TED's crew. Hey, that's ok. TED is doing a great job with TRAC. The only problem is that TED believes in all of it.
And, Roark, I know what I've told you is rather heavy and right now you might feel like you're in your mind a little bit. You can just stay on the Word, walk away and say that eDrek sure is in his mind. And that's cool.
Modified by eDrek at Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 16:32:12
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First, how
on earth did you get that old photo of me?
We may need to discuss royalties, but I am pretty sure we can work all that
out at the TRAC, face to face, without getting attorneys involved. Now E-Drek,
I know it is a bitter pill, and you would like me to just walk away, and leave
the split the way it was before I showed up. And I know you have certainly paid your dues (bus
trip by bus trip) but I’ve paid a few over the years. And what I believe or don’t no longer
concerns me, now that I am totally blissed out and mind-free, so don’t plague
me with what TED or I believe or don’t.
And BTW, Larry’s heavy breathing and Jan’s head rotations don’t bother
me a twit, I am hardened to these things. But your
words are weighty, and I wish TED
would weigh in, if he’s not too miffed.
I’ll admit I am a little conflicted (but not in my mind, I assure you!) I’m not sure that Bongos should be shut away,
that they don’t a have a place in the world (and judging by the elections, a
big place). -
Roark
(a good Irish name)
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Eye to eye at TRAC we'll work out a business agreement that suits all. We'll make DLM great again!
Modified by eDrek at Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 20:06:04
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Gentlemen, TED is inspired by all of this good ole fashioned sat sang that's happening here…I mean, we're getting old classic pictures of shri hans, sat sang from hans yog prakash, holy family stories, and some good ole fashioned-kick butt-take no prisoners sat sang, with out too much mind that TED can detect…why it's feeling kinda like the good ole days with Dave Smith or Sarge layin down heavy tracks of sat sang, and mr. mind leaving the premises, pronto! So based on this current wave of inspiration, TED's upping the ante, and it's 33% for all three of us, with 1% going to EPO…. Keep the river of sat sang flowing guys, TED's basking in the glory…love those flowery descriptions of the sat guru…
Bolie shri- TED Farkel
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Don't ever change!
Bhole Shri!
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Mr. e-Drek-TED's putting you in charge of preparing them little ghee balls for the hub cap arti tray next time around…and you get to swing the main tray…Roark will be doling out the charanamrit…
Feels good to be back on track (get it?)…
Jai satch AND a hearty bolie shri,
Modified by TED Farkel at Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 09:32:10
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Thanks guys, I have a real good feeling about this now, am feeling a lot of bliss and the nectar is flowing. I did pranam an extra ten minutes after meditation today, and got inspired to renovate and expand my home altars (adding the holy bros back into the mix). Thanks again! I'll leave you with an inspiring quote from our Lord: "Nothing in the world, whether it is our mind, or the darkness of Kali, can stop it. WE will be like the river Ganges. It flows, flows, flows, and has no regard for importance. The Ganges is highly respected in Rishikesh, but the Ganges doesn't stop there, just because it is highly worshiped. Cows are drinking the water, but the Ganges doesn't stop because cows are drinking the water." It just blows my mind how insightful and timeless his satsang is, wow. And WE are the river Ganges! Flow on my brothers, flow on... Roark
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Mike-we spoke about a year ago or so, especially about the old deca days in miami…. are you still around the woodstock area?I may be up there for the film festival, Oct 13-16 or so… Are you around then?
Modified by La-ex at Thu, Sep 15, 2016, 15:31:16
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Howdy Not planning to be there then, but it's not impossible. Hey, is there a good way to share contact info thru this site?
M
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You guys can send me your email addresses and I'll forward them on to you both.
roger@drek.org
P.S. I promise not to sell your addresses to the Lord of the Universe.
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gosh, do you think Prem Rawat might have had a porn star in his lineage?
I don't think it would make him any more appealing but it might account for the mala dance.
I hate the term co-dependent being used about a relationship with a narcissist.
It's illogical. Since when is a narcissist co-dependent? no a narcissist is making use of the co-dependent's ability to give and take. The problem arises for the co-dependent because it never gets to the take part, the narcissist is a user and they've got the other person giving til they drop. and they never give back. They do not work well together long term. They work well together for as long as the normal person can muster the strength and courage of heart to pay for the both of them.
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well said Lesley.from bitter experience i can totally relate
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I watched it as well
and as much as I agree with you for the most part - m wasnt creepy looking or had a creepy vibe - at least to me
but all of the rest of the comparisons are right on!
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Yes, I agree with you regarding Maharaji not having a creepy vibe. Maybe if you were in the X-Rated Inner Circle you might have seen a different side of Maharaji, but I think his public persona was generally non-creepy.
Michel/Andreas was definitely very creepy.
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flipping channels tonight I got to CNN right when Holy Hell started so watched it all. Got the creepy crawlies...what a spooky dude. similarity with the whole bait and switch agenda...all nice at first, then, you're in your mind, criticism, abuse, favoritism...if you leave you will die, etec
yikes...now I have to erase his evil botoxed face from my mind before I sleep!!
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I just watched it Holy Hell on Netflix and it was creepy. There were many parallels with Maharaji, particularly the bait and switch which was my big leaving point (see my Journey). If you leave there was also horrible consequences but maharaji's were rotting vegetables and shark infested waters, not cancer or Aids.
"Goldstein's decision to leave Buddhafield was based on its shift in focus from spiritual inclusiveness to personality worship. In regards to bowing before Andreas, Goldstein said, “It went from ‘I’m just a symbol, you’re not bowing down to me, you’re bowing down to your higher self’ to ‘Bow down to me, I am your guru, you are my disciple’.”
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Mr Sagan sounds like he's talking from experience rather than speculating. I wouldn't be surprised. I think I'd be more surprised to find someone who hadn't been bamboozled. The world seems full of it, from the Lord of the Universe who literally demands we hand over the reins of our life to the used car salesman who just knows he has the right car for us.
I can't accept it's too painful to acknowledge we've been bamboozled. The idea that once bamboozled we'll never see through it is even worse!
Always question authority! Always have doubt in your mind! There, that might help, though sadly, even that isn't a panacea.
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Because we all share having to face bamboozlement. We all had the "guileless heart" to fall for the crap yet also had the character to face the truth.
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I've been had, tricked, scammed, fooled, conned, cheated, duped, defrauded, swindled and misled, sometimes all on the same day, but literally, I like bamboozled the best. I just looked up the origins of the word, but appropriately, it has dictionary writers bamboozled.
I'd like to think we live and learn, and maybe some do, but not too long ago I managed to buy a second hand car from a man that didn't own it, and haggled with a coconut seller who then charged me just as much again for a straw which I thought was a bit much, and then he doubled his profit by insisting the coconut wasn't big enough to share so I'd need another for the wife. On it goes...
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Yes, Mr Sagan sounds like he's talking from experience doesn't he. 
Me too, I have experienced slipping into a state almost describable as denial. It's not denial tho. Denial is a deliberate deception.
This is a blanking out of information that just happens naturally, like a mist coming down. You don't think, you don't retain, you hold onto familiar beliefs. Above all you don't follow that, um what was that thought again?
It's like putting a bandaid on, it's only a temporary solution. at some point it wears off again. and you're back to questioning why am I so uncomfortable, why isn't this working what am I doing wrong...
I don't think bamboozlement's last forever. But I see people every day attempting to live with them. and it can get pretty bad. and I do quail at the awfulness of it.
but it always seems to me that it is better out than in when it comes to believing in lies.
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For all my years here (far less than others), I've seldom heard so few words so appropriate for this forum. Pure nature, Rawat being anti-natural: a zebra (or any other prey) in the Serengeti knows better than to let its guard down and ignore its senses. Rawat says lay down and go to sleep amidst those hungry growls off in the distance.
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It's just one big love fest, aint it? 
