Date: Thurs, Jun 28, 2001 at 11:53:20 (GMT)
From: ******
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Pathologizing the victims
Message:

Dear All, I just went into the 'Charles' site and was shocked and affronted by the patronising and abusive tone taken by this man towards the people who have been damaged by Mr Rawat and his cult. He seems to think that by portraying himself as an upper-middle class legal achiever his claims about EPO and Maharaji have validity. Doesn't he realise that there are a great deal of far more successful people out there in the world who would take less than a minute to recognise that Maharaji is the head of a cult. We have the weight of the worlds public opinion on our side and all EV have are a few, increasingly desperate, attempts to defend themselves. In the Wednesday edition of The Australian there was an article by a producer with 60 Minutes who described how his television team tracked down a pedophile called Dunn who was in hiding in Honduran. Once found he was extradited and is now in prison. Steve Barrett writes: 'Some of Dunn's victims became male prostitutes, some are heroine addicts, some are serving lengthy jail sentences - and some are dead' (p.4). We don't know how many children Jagdeo abused or what has become of them — doubly warped by being brainwashed, we can only imagine the worse. *********************************************** (deleted by Susan but a very serious statement) If we become angry about the abuse of human rights that has gone on in this cult and we speak out against it that doesn't make us pathological. The shame is all theirs. The fact that this apparently decent man 'Charles' remains silent about the Jagdeo issue says it all. ********

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Date: Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 02:21:18 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: *********
Subject: Please forgive me ******* for posting this
Message:

This is a post that appeared on Lifes (sick) Great this morning. I think the exes need to see it to understand what kind of deluded cult thinking is taking place there. Here is the post: Please send this to ********i: Dear *********, If what you say is true about Jagdeo (and I could believe you) It must be pretty awful and I sincerely understand your feelings. But you see: People go through many awful things in life... and somehow through their strenghts as human beings they overcome these bad things and have a joyful life. People have been raped, tortured, put on the most awful situations for long periods of their lives and they somehow overcome. Problem here *********  is that you are 'used' by the active ex-premies to promote their hatred and confusion. Are they helping you? I doubt it. They are just perpetuating your bad experience. Who suffers: you. They don't. I am moving away from the discussion of who is responsible for what happened to you, and who should be held accountable. As a person you have the power to overcome whatever happened and move away from being the victim. The ex-premies want you and need you to STAY AS A VICTIM. You do not have to oblige. You have a life to live. You are a beautiful human being and you have the power, the right and the strength in you to be and enjoy your life. Do not accept any longer to be their pet victim. Sincerely nino

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Date: Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 02:30:45 (GMT)
From: *********
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Thanks Pat
Message:

Pat, I guess I just have to say it very clearly: I am not being exploited or pathologised by EPO. Sweet of Nino to care I suppose. ********

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Date: Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 03:27:52 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: *******
Subject: Thanks ********,  Saw it quite a while ago but hesitated
Message:

to repost it here as I felt it was a bit snide and subtly insulting. His crocodile tears might fool himself and other premies.

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Date: Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 08:47:10 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: all
Subject: PS: Another post from LG - I couldn't resist
Message:

the warning at the end of this post to NOT post it on FV. A Post by Rachel Cunningham on Lifes (sick) Great: A guy called Richard said this (and a lot more, in a calm, clear, polite manner) to the FV's favorite victim, the woman who seeks not a cure for her ills but vengence. - Naturally he was lynched by the rabid dogs for saying.... 'Your attempt to demonize Maharaji has the collateral effect of funneling hate to all premies. Posts like *****’s have that effect by pushing emotion-charged buttons in people such as “child abuse”, that they lose perspective and react strictly out of emotion. Incidences of child abuse by an Elan Vital representative were so rare that to harp on it like you guys do completely skews the reality of Maharaji and the people who have served him over the years, some of whom are the most genuine people I’ve ever met. If you really don’t like hate then why don’t you do your part to diffuse it instead of formenting it.' --- Want to see an emotionally charged button? The following is emotional manipulation at a truly vulgar level and is what Richard and many others find so ugly about this 'child abuse' crusade. --- 'We don't know how many children Jagdeo abused or what has become of them — doubly warped by being brainwashed, we can only imagine the worse. I know that  *************.' ( statement deleted again in case the writer would prefer that) Straight off a National Enquirer cover? Unfortunately not, but FV can be very similar. The exes keep crowing about this woman's 'courage'. It takes a lot more courage to say - THAT is not honesty, THAT is not truth, That is NOT someone seeking justice. It is emotional manipulation and it Stands Out A Mile. And they wonder why Maharaji doesn't arrive on her doorstep with chocolates and roses?  ---(emphasis added by Susan and perhaps there are reasons we didn't imagine back then) This post is not intended to insult or enrage the woman in question. We all sympathise with her (them) and yes, the offender will be held accountable. There is a lot of work being done behind the scenes, to uncover not cover up. Patience will pay. ----- WARNING: This post is an attempt to clarify the nature of the ex.premie stance on the subject FOR PREMIES VISITING THIS SITE. If any ferreting ex wants to try and play the big hero by grabbing it and running back to ex.org shouting 'look at this!!' then you must WEAR THE CONSEQUENCES UPON YOUR OWN HEAD. There are unwell and unbalanced people on FV who should NOT be privy to information and opinion such as this. Enough said? I will respect this forum administrator's decision if he deems it necessary to remove this post due to the possible irresponsible behaviour of some people.

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Date: Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 14:24:42 (GMT)
From: *******
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: PS: Another post from LG - I couldn't resist
Message:

Pat, I just SO don't experience anything which Rachel said as sympathy. Her lack of sympathy and her veiled hatred towards me comes across loud and clear. I am 'that woman' etc. I just wonder how Rachel can describe the use of inflamatory words like 'crap' and 'fucking' as polite? Because this is how Richard the Lion Heart addressed me. Charming it is not, ugly it is. I think the term is 'secondary abuse'. It looks like they want to persecute me for speaking out about Jagdeo. Maybe they want to break me so I'll shut up. They'll have to try harder. You see, apart from what happened to me, I have this little problem with pedophiles. Call me neurotic, call be deranged and unwell, but gosh I just can't stand child molesters. And the 'polite' Richard did not even have the courage to answer any of my posts. What a gentleman. Who ARE these people? ******

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