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shelagh ®

10/21/2005, 10:03:55
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A familiar but forgotten room

you visit in dreams.  Here it is,

that door into a whole section of your own

house.  Of  course!  How could I

forget?

You walk in. A shiny floor,

transparent curtains billowing

in the fresh breeze from an open

window, and beyond, trees

seen from a new angle.

All is in balance again--clean--

your universe expanded, whole

for a while.  Always

leave room for doubt in your mind.

Don't close any doors, or lock and bar sections of your life

away.  You are free

to wake, or walk, or

dream.

 

Cheers everyone!

Shelagh







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Lovely poem, Shelagh
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JHB ®

10/22/2005, 01:52:56
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Always leave room for doubt in your mind. Don't close any doors, or lock and bar sections of your life away. You are free to wake, or walk, or dream.

The freedom that comes from the lack of certainty is intoxicating and a little scary, but feels honest, and there's a part of me that craves honesty and won't make do with any invented truth, however comforting I once thought it was.

Prieka!

John.






Modified by JHB at Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 01:55:14

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Thanks, John! nt
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shelagh ®

10/22/2005, 10:20:21
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That made something clear to me
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Neville B ®

10/22/2005, 04:12:55
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Maybe I'm slow, but I've just realised what "Leave no room for doubt in your mind" really means.

It is a commandment to, "Accept uncritically and unreservedly anything I tell you."

Dead convenient really, in a cult.

Neville B







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commandments
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10/22/2005, 04:25:17
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4 more I think ...

never delay in attending satsang
never put off till tomorrow what you can do today

and er.... 2 more anyone?







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Re: commandments
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JHB ®

10/22/2005, 04:35:26
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Constantly meditate and remember Holy Name.

(constantly meaning until 1987 from when only 15 minutes a day is sufficient - Aaaah, the timeless Knowledge of all Knowledges that never changes)

Always have faith in God.

Actually this is quite positive for those who believe in such a being.







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10/22/2005, 04:48:15
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'Always have faith in God.'

So what the difference between this and 'Never leave room for doubt in your mind' ?

Keep the faith, don't entertain doubts - same thing?

Never leave room for doubt in your mind - tee hee - I was just thinking to myself, having no-one else to think to, that there was nowhere I could keep a doubt other than in my mind.

You'd think that if you were going to dish out some simple little aphorisms, it wouldn't be hard to avoid tautology!







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Yeah, I doubt M put more than thirty seconds of thought into that list
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10/22/2005, 08:01:29
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All five commandments
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10/22/2005, 09:26:36
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Premies were to be totally dedicated to Maharaji, and were to follow his Commandments:
  1. Do not put off until tomorrow what you can do today
  2. Constantly meditate and remember holy name
  3. Never delay in attending satsang
  4. Leave no room for doubt in your mind
  5. Always have faith in god




Related link: http://www.ex-premie.org/pages/bkgrnd3.htm

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Then came the "promises"
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shelagh ®

10/22/2005, 10:24:28
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Don't show these techniques to anyone

Give K a fair try

Keep in touch

(they sound so simple and harmless, don't they?)

~Shelagh







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Don't "commandments" give a religious tone anyway?
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Toby ®

10/22/2005, 12:32:01
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Which is completely contrary to EV's allegations that Rawat always tried to avoid the taste of religion.


toby







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gregg ®

10/23/2005, 19:19:52
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From the last two lines, verbs rendered ambiguous by their inclusion in the genre of poetry:

wake  - to truly wake up! 

          - to wake up from the sorry commandments and unspoken repressive mindfuck elements of Rawat's Game

          - to attend a wake...perhaps one's own, hopefully in the liberatory spirit of a New Orleans funeral (mixing the hell out these metaphors, I know...)

 

walk    - to walk away from the Organized Religion Path of Commandments....Rawat's or the Taliban's or the Promise Keepers....

           - to move, to transport oneself, to realize our capacity for change

         -  to simply walk, in pleasure, on this beautiful planet!

 

dream      - (most literally, in this context, I think)   To imagine all the possible lives opened by liberating oneself from  a repressive religion (sadly morphed from a huge and very much tried and tested range of spiritual techniques designed to liberate oneself into AllSelf....AllSelf: just thought of the term, but for all I know it's a patented New Age path...meaning what it obviously means: that we are all not an Each but an All...sorry if this sound Dr. Seussian, but I could think of worse authors to be compared to!!)

             - just to dream......all those possibilities!

 

Good Night, and Good Luck,

Gregg







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