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10/16/2005, 17:49:36
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The following article from http://www.medicalobserver.com.au/displayarticle/index.asp?articleID=3509&templateID=108

gives a sensible, researched view of the effects of meditation. However surprisingly enough they have found one form of meditation to actually be effective unlike all the others: "Sahaja Yoga" as taught by the "World Saviour": Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (see http://www.sahajayoga.org/shrimataji/default.asp)

I suspect that this finding might have grounds in a researcher being a follower of said guru as the TM researchers find TM to be incredibly effective and as DLM doctors (or was there only one?) found Knowledge to be effective in all ways until after 20 years of non-effectiveness Prem Rawat had to announce that Knowledge will not help your mental state, health or social life in any way and definitely won't make you a better person.

Making sense of meditation
13 August 2004

Dr Ramesh Manocha considers the effectiveness of meditation as a treatment.

MEDITATION is becoming increasingly popular with Western consumers. A recent survey of Australian GPs found that almost 80% had recommended meditation at least once,1 and a survey of Australian consumers found that about 10% of the population had tried or were currently practising it.2

Within scientific literature, meditation is a poorly defined and heterogenous collection of methods aimed at achieving states of relaxation and better well-being by using structured exercises to focus attention and modify thinking activity.

Consumers perceive meditation to be uniquely effective, and researchers have investigated meditation to determine whether these specific effects exist.

MEDITATION RESEARCH
The Natural Therapies Research Unit (NTU) at the Royal Hospital for Women in Sydney recently completed a systematic review of the scientific evidence for meditation.

Of more than 3200 articles on meditation in peer-reviewed literature, less than 100 (about 3%) were randomised controlled trials (RCTs).

While the majority of these RCTs reported positive effects of meditation, more than two-thirds failed to properly address the placebo effect – the most important confounder in medical research.

People are understood to respond similarly to almost any behaviour therapy, even sham therapies, simply because the therapies involve non-specific effects such as regular contact with a therapist, the simple effects of rest and relaxation, and the natural tendency to get better, not to mention pressure from researchers to report improvements. All of these factors contribute to the placebo effect.

MEDITATION EFFECTIVENESS
A statistically significant pattern emerged when the RCTs were rated according to the credibility of control method.

While almost all trials using inactive and non-credible controls reported positive effects, those using more credible and active controls reported considerably less favourable outcomes.

In fact, most trials that compared genuine meditation techniques with elaborately designed and executed sham procedures did not report any significant differences.

However, some trials have shown exceptions.

SAHAJA YOGA
Sahaja yoga is noted as a promising technique, with positive results demonstrated in pilot studies in India.

Recently, the NTU conducted an RCT that compared sahaja yoga with a credible stress management program for people with moderate to severe asthma on prestabilised treatment, but who remained symptomatic.

Both groups experienced similar improvements in a number of outcome measures, but the yoga group demonstrated significantly greater improvements in key measures of emotional health and quality of life.

Most importantly, the meditation approach generated significant changes in airway hyper-responsiveness, suggesting that this technique may actually impact on pathophysiological processes.4

Further, the NTU has just concluded a large, independently funded RCT in which sahaja yoga was compared with a generic form of meditation for stress and anxiety.

Sahaja yoga was found to be significantly more effective than the generic approach in reducing stress, anxiety and depressive symptoms.

The critical difference between the approaches is thought to be the ability of the sahaja technique to elicit a specific state of 'mental silence' in which the meditator is fully alert and aware but does not experience unnecessary mental activity.

Brain imaging studies have shown that this approach to meditation is associated with reproducible patterns of brain activity that correlate with subjective experience of mental silence.5,6

INDICATIONS
Meditation is indicated in any scenario when stress and anxiety may be contributing factors.

It is ideally suited to conditions that cause subobtimal quality of life and well-being, such as work stress, primary insomnia and mild anxiety. Also, it is useful as an adjunct in the management of severe, chronic or terminal illness.

CONTRAINDICATIONS AND SIDE-EFFECTS
Meditation is contraindicated in patients with severe mental illness, particular if there is a risk of psychosis, and should be supervised closely if used by anyone with mild to moderate mental illness.

There is evidence of adverse effect, mostly associated with commercialised methods.7

CONCLUSION
If faced with a choice between user-pays meditation lessons and regular time out to sit quietly in a comfortable chair or to enjoy a pastime, scientific evidence suggests the latter is equally efficacious, cheaper and more accessible.

However, if a patient is keen to try meditation, recommend a technique that has genuine evidence of efficacy, and is learned easily, such as sahaja yoga.

REFERENCES
1. Pirotta MV. Cohen MM. Kotsirilos V. Farish SJ. Complementary therapies: have they become accepted in general practice? Medical Journal of Australia. 172(3):105-9, 2000 Feb 7.
2. Kaldor P, Francis L J, Fisher J W. Personality and spirituality: Christian prayer and Eastern meditation are not the same. Pastoral Psychology. Vol 50(3) Jan 2002, 165-172
4. Minocha R, Marks GB, Kenchington P, Peters D, Salome CM. Sahaja yoga in the management of moderate to severe asthma: a randomized controlled trial. Thorax. 57(2): 110-5, 2002 Feb
5. Aftanas LI, Golocheikine SA. Human anterior and frontal midline theta and lower alpha reflect emotionally positive state and internalized attention: high resolution EEG investigation of meditation. Neuroscience Letters. 310(1): 57-60, 2001 Sept 7
6. Aftanas LI, Golocheikine SA. Non-linear dynamic complexity of the human EEG during meditation. Neuroscience Letters. 330(2): 143-6, 2002 Sept 20
7. Murphy M, Donovan S. Chapter 4: Subjective Reports, Negative Effects, in The physical and Psychological Effects of Meditation, Institute of Noetic Sciences, California,


Dr Ramesh Manocha is a Barry Wren Fellow at the Natural Therapies Unit, Royal Hospital for Women, Sydney.
Associate Professor John Eden, MBBS, MD, MRCOG, FRANZCOG, CREI, is the director of the Sydney Menopause Centre and Natural Therapies Unit, Royal Hospital for Women, Sydney.







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Dr. Andrew Weil's meditation
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10/16/2005, 20:40:57
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Cover

Oct. 17, 2005 

Aging Naturally

In an exclusive TIME book excerpt, Dr. Andrew Weil shares his secrets for maximizing health and happiness--no matter how old you are

 

STRESS

 

Life is stressful and always has been. Eliminating stress entirely is not an option. If there are discrete sources of stress in your life--a relationship, a job, a health problem--you can and should take action to try to mitigate them. But my experience is that we all are subject to a kind of conservation law of stress. If stress recedes in one area, it seems to increase in another. Get your finances in order, and your relationship sours. Get your relationship together, and the kids cause you grief.

 

Whatever objective stress you have to deal with, you can learn to activate the so-called relaxation response, a shift within the autonomic nervous system from sympathetic dominance (the fight-or-flight response) to parasympathetic dominance (the heart rate slows, blood pressure falls and metabolism and immunity are optimal). You can evoke the relaxation response in many ways: by working on your breathing, practicing yoga, taking biofeedback training, floating in water or stroking a cat or dog that you love.

 

I have long promoted the benefits of working with the breath as the simplest, most efficient way of taking advantage of the mind-body connection to affect both physical and mental health.

 

Here's a simple relaxing breath technique you can try at home:

1. Place the tip of your tongue against the ridge behind and above your front teeth, and keep it there throughout the exercise.

2. Exhale completely through your mouth, making a whoosh sound.

3. Inhale deeply and quietly through the nose to a count of four (with your mouth closed).

4. Hold for a count of seven.

5. Exhale audibly through your mouth to a count of eight.

6. Repeat steps 3, 4 and 5 for a total of four breaths.

 

Practice the exercise at least twice a day and whenever you feel stressed, anxious or off center. After a month, if you are comfortable with it, increase to eight breaths each time.

 

The obvious advantages of this kind of practice are that it requires no equipment, is free and can be done anywhere. It is the most cost- and time-efficient relaxation method I have discovered, and I teach it to all my patients and to all health professionals I train.







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Re: Dr. Andrew Weil's meditation
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10/17/2005, 03:40:12
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Surely a better way to maximise health is to live in accomodation that isn't sub-standard, eat decent food and get some exercise.

And a better way to maximise happiness is to find out what makes you unhappy and sort it out.

I don't think sitting on your arse counting up to seven with your eyes closed will do much to help the poverty that is the major cause of illness and misery in the world.

Anth, trust me, I'm a doctor, take your clothes off and lie down over there.







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Re: Dr. Andrew Weil's meditation
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10/17/2005, 11:25:19
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Anth, 

Dr. Weil (an American) is also a major proponent of proper diet, exercise, and nutrition (supplements). Read his book Aging Naturally for the whole story. I copied only the part of his article dealing with meditation to follow paddy’s post.

Weil recommends the short exercise to activate the relaxation response (the heart rate slows, blood pressure falls and metabolism and immunity are optimal) and to positively affect both physical and mental health. Apparently the effects of the exercise are physically measurable.

He suggests you practice the exercise twice a day, whenever you feel stressed, anxious or off center. Taking four deep breaths twice a day is not that much of a time investment - 5 minutes tops.

You can then devote the rest of your day to fighting poverty.

Steve, trust me, I'm one of the most cost- and time-efficient people around.







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Re: Dr. Andrew Weil's meditation
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10/18/2005, 04:15:01
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Hi Steve,

Why should I start practising some new age "guru's" meditation techniques to relax, when I feel relaxed already, after my vegi breakfast, sitting here staring at the sea?

It reminds me of those perfectly healthy folk who are on three diets, taking 25 types of medecine, and looking around for a new disease to catch. Their health, of course, is their favorite topic of conversation.

And as for the four or five billion of us in the world who haven't read his book, presumably we are aging un-naturally.

Sorry if I sound a bit cynical Steve, but I've done enough "meditation" to last me about forty Kali-Yugas.

Anth trust me I'm relaxed, and I haven't smoked a thing.







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So your prescription for a peaceful happy life is...
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10/18/2005, 11:15:04
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...a second abode to relax and do absolutely nothing in apart from eating your meals and staring out to sea. Clearly this is a much more practical suggestion to reduce stress than Andrew Weil's free and simple breathing meditation.

Silly Dr Weil - maybe you could be a regular guest writer on his website with alternative daily tips?

Bunny







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In defense of Dr. Weil
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10/18/2005, 20:02:10
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I don't know anything about his "meditation," but techniques to calm you down aren't anything new.  I would just disagree that he should call it "meditation," because of all the spiritual connotations that word has.

Having said that, I have personally found Dr. Weil's advice on diet to be very practical and helpful.

Have you seen "Supersize Me?"  I just saw it a few days ago.  Amazing, and frightening.

Joe Mcex-premie







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Hi Anth
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Steve ®

10/18/2005, 19:33:36
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Somehow you’ve turned this into something personal.

I presented Weil's meditation to show readers of this site that meditations similar to Knowledge exist and can be used to combat stress. The one from Weil is free, does not involve tithing, keeping in touch, Krishna costumes, the giving away of inheritances, sleeping on foam mats, going without sex, or taking verbal and psychological abuse.

I was not pushing his meditation or his book or his philosophy of nutrition. Just showing that meditations similar to Knowledge exist and they are free of charge and free of concepts.

You say you are relaxed and I believe you. Smoke if you got em.







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Nothing Personal Steve.
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10/19/2005, 14:07:45
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Hi Steve,

I'm sorry if my response to the exerpt from Dr Weils book upset you. I certainly didn't mean to have a go at you personally, like I said in my last post above, I have an automatic reaction to Gurus and meditation nowadays, I've really had enough of the lot of them, be them alcoholic Indian conmen, or American new-age psychologists.

Dr Weils path to relaxation may indeed be free, but I don't believe it is free of concepts.

Anyway, no harm, put-down, or personal agro intended.

Whatever gets you through the night...

anth, "one too many borings and a thousand smiles behind"






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Nothing Personal Anth.
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10/19/2005, 19:40:26
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Hi Anth,

Your response to the excerpt from Dr Weils book really didn’t upset me. Really! I’m already relaxed and sitting here in my computer chair, aging naturally.

In fact I’ve just done about 20 minutes or so of deep breathing and counting from 4 to 7 to 8 and I uh . . . er

What year did Jesus think it was?






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Defects of Meditation
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Nirmala Devi
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10/17/2005, 06:39:40
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What is it with these guru's as they get older, they all look hard and horrible people in their pics.






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Re: Nirmala Devi: another child abuse in a cult with an unchellangable leader
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Re: Effects of Meditation
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however, if you go to www.sahaja-yoga.org there is another story.

(as usual)







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Re: What a can of worms
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10/17/2005, 16:54:32
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I hadn't bothered to check her out. I'd heard of her in the past and thought she was one of the more respectable gurus. I posted the article because it showed that a literature search of actual randomised controlled trials of meditation showed it was pretty well valueless oncwe the placebo effect was taken into account.

My suspicions were raised when the article said there actually was evidence that one form of meditaiton, hers, actually worked as claimed and I assumed either the author of the article was a follower or the followers had produced some bogus research.

My suspicions were further raised whern I saw that the placeholders for her photos on her web site were "The World Saviour" but that was as far as I checked.

It seems that underneath the minor differences in these guru cult stories there is a common theme.







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Re: What a can of worms
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She was an old friend of Rajneesh (AKA Osho) and when she saw what he was getting together, started up her own gig, much to his chagrin (he denounced her, of course).






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effects of meditation...
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... on the brain have been scientifically proved. Do M and his cult will mess around more longer about it?

I mean that M is the tree that’s hiding the forest.

http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/02/newton0204.asp

That's just an information. Take it like this.







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