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Ladies ..... --- Dermot ( Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 20:48:46 ) (7 reads) ( 1128 bytes )

A former Israeli soldier talks --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:35:36 ) (42 reads) ( 715 bytes ) link +6

Same subject - different topic --- David ( Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 00:32:40 ) (46 reads) ( 4491 bytes ) +1
- Why do you say this? --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:24:26 ) (35 reads) ( 1848 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Why do you say this? --- David ( Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 14:10:52 ) (46 reads) ( 4500 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Why do you say this? --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 15:11:16 ) (41 reads) ( 1321 bytes ) link +1
      - Re: Why do you say this? --- David ( Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 07:55:50 ) (34 reads) ( 994 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Why do you say this? --- Jim ( Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 15:10:58 ) (36 reads) ( 1396 bytes )

A doctor lost his three daughters in last Gaza war --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 14:58:28 ) (65 reads) ( 472 bytes ) link +70

Re: A doctor lost his three daughters in last Gaza war --- Cynthia ( Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 14:34:48 ) (53 reads) ( 122 bytes ) +2
- Re: A doctor lost his three daughters in last Gaza war --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 15:47:42 ) (57 reads) ( 192 bytes ) +3
  - your reaction do not worth a response, your hate is outrageous (no text) --- snow-white ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 02:12:47 ) (15 reads) ( 0 bytes )
  - Your hate is toward Islam is outrageous --- snow-white ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 02:13:28 ) (56 reads) ( 125 bytes ) +1
    - You're either a liar or idiot -- both? Maybe --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:20:29 ) (36 reads) ( 787 bytes ) +1
      - I cannot choose between the two options you gave me (edited) --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 01:45:25 ) (33 reads) ( 1737 bytes ) link +1
        
        You deserve derision --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 13:16:21 ) (29 reads) ( 1015 bytes ) +2
        
        I am not impressed by your derision --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 14:06:39 ) (33 reads) ( 697 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: I am not impressed by your derision --- Cynthia ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 15:15:11 ) (46 reads) ( 190 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: I am not impressed by your derision --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 16:23:25 ) (41 reads) ( 2352 bytes )
        
        Whats wrong with you?? --- sulla ( Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 13:08:43 ) (16 reads) ( 1000 bytes ) +2
        
        I appreciate your stance, Sulla, thank you --- snow-white ( Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 14:15:33 ) (12 reads) ( 692 bytes ) +1
        
        Any time. Welcome. (no text) --- sulla ( Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 14:17:04 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
        
        Why would I respect Miri's position? --- Jim ( Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 17:16:33 ) (15 reads) ( 384 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Why would I respect Miri's position? --- sulla ( Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 14:11:02 ) (19 reads) ( 455 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Why would I respect Miri's position? --- Jim ( Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 17:04:28 ) (11 reads) ( 878 bytes )
  - Yes, Jack in the box with your automatic reactions (no text) --- snow-white ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 06:08:38 ) (8 reads) ( 0 bytes )
- Re: A doctor lost his three daughters in last Gaza war --- snow-white ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 02:11:18 ) (43 reads) ( 964 bytes ) +2
  - He should blame his fellow Palestinians for the death of his daughters --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 13:36:40 ) (33 reads) ( 2551 bytes ) +1
    - It is his fault in the same way as the holocaust was the --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 01:55:40 ) (39 reads) ( 1112 bytes ) +1
      - Why would I believe a word you say? --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 13:27:51 ) (30 reads) ( 274 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: Why would I believe a word you say? --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 14:11:47 ) (25 reads) ( 540 bytes )
        Re: Why would I believe a word you say? --- Cynthia ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 15:28:35 ) (36 reads) ( 481 bytes ) +1
        
        No surprise there --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 16:29:13 ) (35 reads) ( 88 bytes ) +1
        
        And you are a sleazy lawyer who lies for his clients --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 23:54:12 ) (39 reads) ( 210 bytes )
  - Re: A doctor lost his three daughters in last Gaza war --- Cynthia ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 08:36:22 ) (38 reads) ( 3182 bytes ) link +1
    - Re: A doctor lost his three daughters in last Gaza war (edited) --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 15:27:16 ) (27 reads) ( 5367 bytes ) link +1
      - Lying again, eh Miri? --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 17:28:03 ) (31 reads) ( 5226 bytes ) link +1
        
        Not at all, these pictures taken by a female soldier show this --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 00:09:49 ) (36 reads) ( 630 bytes ) link +1
        
        I don't believe you -- show me the quote --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 11:08:44 ) (21 reads) ( 311 bytes ) +1
        
        Maybe I fabricated the pictures as well? --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 12:07:26 ) (33 reads) ( 856 bytes ) link +1
        
        I still don't believe you --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 14:42:29 ) (21 reads) ( 49 bytes ) +1
        
        Jim, you are a Nudnik! --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:59:12 ) (34 reads) ( 1711 bytes ) link img +1
        
        Just like I thought --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:01:39 ) (26 reads) ( 913 bytes ) +1
        
        You thought wrongly --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 01:33:19 ) (27 reads) ( 289 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You thought wrongly --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 14:31:06 ) (21 reads) ( 373 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You thought wrongly --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:42:52 ) (24 reads) ( 213 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: You thought wrongly --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:54:31 ) (18 reads) ( 297 bytes ) +1
        
        Definitely I know that I have an enemy - YOU! --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 14:19:03 ) (19 reads) ( 258 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Definitely I know that I have an enemy - YOU! --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 15:29:11 ) (23 reads) ( 266 bytes ) +2
        
        It's time for me to take a break from your Paranoia (no text) --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 16:54:08 ) (5 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +2
        
        Miri, I share the same Paranoia --- JHB ( Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 19:21:38 ) (24 reads) ( 305 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Miri, I share the same Paranoia --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 01:49:31 ) (23 reads) ( 1730 bytes ) img
        
        Ostrich! --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 19:36:41 ) (21 reads) ( 2 bytes ) +1
        
        I'd rather be an ostrich than a hyena (no text) --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 01:50:59 ) (2 reads) ( 0 bytes )
        
        I visited Palestinian villages --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 05:56:33 ) (21 reads) ( 1206 bytes ) +1
        
        I swear it's like talking with someone with a mental disability --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:30:56 ) (21 reads) ( 637 bytes ) +1
        
        Why? --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 19:08:54 ) (29 reads) ( 719 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: Why? A clarification --- snow-white ( Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 02:32:52 ) (23 reads) ( 2150 bytes )
        Define "fascism" --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:37:10 ) (30 reads) ( 44 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: Define "fascism" --- Cynthia ( Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 09:18:36 ) (32 reads) ( 691 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Define "fascism" --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 19:30:41 ) (17 reads) ( 127 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: Define "fascism" --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 10:30:03 ) (13 reads) ( 522 bytes ) +2
        
        Wrong again, Miri --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 12:20:18 ) (13 reads) ( 369 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Wrong again, Miri --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 16:41:50 ) (16 reads) ( 755 bytes ) +1
        
        Well of course more lies -- that's what you do, isn't it? --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 12:48:04 ) (12 reads) ( 310 bytes ) +1
        
        the facts of the occupation aren't behind the iron curtain --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 15:26:47 ) (17 reads) ( 1279 bytes )
        
        Re: Define "fascism" --- Cynthia ( Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 14:18:36 ) (15 reads) ( 226 bytes )
        
        Re: Define "fascism" --- anthony ( Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 11:41:04 ) (34 reads) ( 1666 bytes ) +1
        
        No, Anthony, that's not fascism at all --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 18:22:42 ) (28 reads) ( 33.5 KB ) link
To relieve the tension and on a more hopeful tone --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 12:45:30 ) (27 reads) ( 135 bytes ) link +1
- In regard to Miri --- anthony ( Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 12:21:27 ) (32 reads) ( 1987 bytes ) +1
  - Oh come on, Anthony - get real --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 18:08:19 ) (29 reads) ( 204 bytes ) +1
    - You cannot deal with facts, can you? --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 03:30:27 ) (16 reads) ( 476 bytes ) +1
      - Re: You cannot deal with facts, can you? --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 12:48:46 ) (17 reads) ( 59 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You cannot deal with facts, can you? --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 15:19:02 ) (20 reads) ( 434 bytes ) +1
        
        You're like a piece of gunk stuck to my shoe --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:13:14 ) (18 reads) ( 1230 bytes ) +1
        
        Reality is much more unpleasant than my posts --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:30:52 ) (19 reads) ( 1110 bytes ) +2
        
        Are you finished? --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 13:32:18 ) (20 reads) ( 16 bytes )
        So what? Others do (no text) --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 13:56:17 ) (2 reads) ( 0 bytes )

I thought this forum was going to lose the emphasis on Islam? --- 13 ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 04:38:40 ) (48 reads) ( 1689 bytes ) +14

Re: I thought this forum was going to lose the emphasis on Islam? --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 11:14:39 ) (38 reads) ( 1108 bytes ) +2
- I find the rate that time passes is very variable as I get older --- JHB ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:00:02 ) (40 reads) ( 782 bytes )
- Re: I thought this forum was going to lose the emphasis on Islam? --- 13 ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:34:24 ) (46 reads) ( 343 bytes ) +2
  - Re: I thought this forum was going to lose the emphasis on Islam? --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 14:41:29 ) (42 reads) ( 413 bytes ) link +1
    - Re: I thought this forum was going to lose the emphasis on Islam? --- 13 ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 18:58:00 ) (34 reads) ( 783 bytes ) +1
      - Can't you read? --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:43:25 ) (44 reads) ( 2305 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Can't you read? --- 13 ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 02:36:35 ) (41 reads) ( 955 bytes ) +2
        
        It appears your reading is a little suspect! --- JHB ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 08:33:26 ) (45 reads) ( 724 bytes )
        Don't be ridiculous --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:05:57 ) (40 reads) ( 936 bytes )
  - Hype --- patD ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:02:39 ) (36 reads) ( 2450 bytes ) img
Christopher Hitchens on Rauf --- Cynthia ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 08:23:13 ) (52 reads) ( 2924 bytes ) link +1
- Re: Christopher Hitchens on Rauf --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 14:02:54 ) (27 reads) ( 1874 bytes ) +1
  - And Robert Spencer on Hitchens --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 14:44:31 ) (29 reads) ( 226 bytes ) link +1
    - Could this get any weirder? --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:46:21 ) (34 reads) ( 5849 bytes )

My Facebook note on the Ground Zero mosque --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:25:43 ) (36 reads) ( 10.5 KB ) link +2

Re: My Facebook note on the Ground Zero mosque --- Cynthia ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:27:17 ) (42 reads) ( 697 bytes ) link +1
- Re: My Facebook note on the Ground Zero mosque --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 19:07:32 ) (31 reads) ( 1151 bytes )

A link is thrown in for a good measure --- snow-white ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 11:00:55 ) (61 reads) ( 760 bytes ) link +17

What's Jihad Watch? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 13:59:02 ) (46 reads) ( 629 bytes )
Re: A link is thrown in for a good measure --- cq ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 15:32:56 ) (64 reads) ( 540 bytes ) link +3
- Do you have the courage of your convictions? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 16:19:02 ) (49 reads) ( 115 bytes ) +1
  - The idea of reconciliation is a provocation for you then. --- cq ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 16:25:06 ) (53 reads) ( 104 bytes ) +1
    - You don't admit your post was intentionally provocative? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 17:03:10 ) (42 reads) ( 14 bytes ) +1
      - Re: You don't admit your post was intentionally provocative? --- cq ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 17:38:52 ) (55 reads) ( 284 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You don't admit your post was intentionally provocative? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 17:58:32 ) (46 reads) ( 34 bytes )
- Ah, yes, Academia's " Peace and conflict resolution" in a nutshell... --- Dermot ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 17:39:21 ) (47 reads) ( 9442 bytes )
- Thanks cq for the link. --- snow-white ( Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 01:04:53 ) (45 reads) ( 1636 bytes ) +1
  - It's beyond me how you can say that, Miri. --- Dermot ( Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 03:08:32 ) (60 reads) ( 6519 bytes ) +2
    - Re: It's beyond me how you can say that, Miri. --- PatD ( Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 18:51:31 ) (52 reads) ( 2244 bytes ) +2
      - Self-criticism --- Dermot ( Sun, Aug 15, 2010, 01:31:35 ) (46 reads) ( 11.4 KB ) link
      - Re: It's beyond me how you can say that, Miri. --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 15, 2010, 01:34:23 ) (38 reads) ( 2978 bytes ) img +1
        
        Well sure..... --- PatD ( Sun, Aug 15, 2010, 17:13:00 ) (38 reads) ( 697 bytes )
    - I am not ignoring your post --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 15, 2010, 02:43:35 ) (39 reads) ( 112 bytes ) +1
      - Re: I am not ignoring your post --- Dermot ( Sun, Aug 15, 2010, 03:12:42 ) (41 reads) ( 197 bytes )

A useful look at " Useful Idiots"

--- Dermot ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 19:14:39 ) (47 reads) ( 3958 bytes ) link

There aren't any volunteers --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 03:25:01 ) (55 reads) ( 226 bytes ) +2

The real people to blame are the Turkish leaders --- Dermot ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 14:51:50 ) (39 reads) ( 4366 bytes ) +1
- Yep, absolutely right, Dermot! --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 17:06:55 ) (17 reads) ( 36 bytes )

Cordoba House... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 04:57:22 ) (76 reads) ( 1333 bytes ) +39

Don't worry, Cynthia, Obama will never let this go ahead! --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 20:36:37 ) (73 reads) ( 2709 bytes ) link +3
- Just a tiny remark --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:09:43 ) (53 reads) ( 747 bytes ) +1
  - What do you know? --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:26:10 ) (58 reads) ( 226 bytes ) link +1
    - Re: What do you know? --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:44:21 ) (61 reads) ( 346 bytes ) +3
      - Okay, call me picky but... --- Fiona ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 15:07:39 ) (43 reads) ( 329 bytes )
      - Who gives a shit if he's black? --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 19:40:08 ) (49 reads) ( 502 bytes ) link
      - To be serious about Obama, the West & Islam , for a sec --- Dermot ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 21:35:35 ) (56 reads) ( 4844 bytes ) +1
        
        Will you please start your own blog already? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 12:58:09 ) (33 reads) ( 299 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Will you please start your own blog already? --- Dermot ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 02:27:31 ) (37 reads) ( 241 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Will you please start your own blog already? --- Jethro ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 04:12:18 ) (35 reads) ( 225 bytes )
- Re: Don't worry, Cynthia, Obama will never let this go ahead! --- Cynthia ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 11:27:57 ) (55 reads) ( 1646 bytes ) +2
  - This is no conspiracy theory --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 19:24:51 ) (61 reads) ( 1181 bytes ) link +1
    - Pamela Geller is an idiot... --- Cynthia ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 10:06:42 ) (53 reads) ( 590 bytes ) +1
      - Geller's brilliant! --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 12:53:53 ) (39 reads) ( 821 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Geller's brilliant! Hahaha!!! --- Cynthia ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 17:34:22 ) (52 reads) ( 1339 bytes ) +1
        
        You're not being accurate or reasonable --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 20:22:52 ) (41 reads) ( 3138 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You're not being accurate or reasonable --- Cynthia ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 06:22:49 ) (48 reads) ( 1130 bytes ) +1
        
        Don't be so gullible --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 13:31:29 ) (57 reads) ( 2696 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: Don't be so gullible...I'm not, you are! --- Cynthia ( Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 06:11:48 ) (116 reads) ( 1941 bytes ) link +1
        
        Cynthia, you're out of the loop --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 14:40:20 ) (57 reads) ( 4773 bytes ) link +1
        
        Okay, I'll bite... --- Cynthia ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 07:41:23 ) (44 reads) ( 516 bytes ) +1
        
        Good --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 12:30:42 ) (36 reads) ( 433 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Good --- Cynthia ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 14:27:55 ) (39 reads) ( 1335 bytes ) +2
        
        Here's how tricky it gets --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 16:40:01 ) (51 reads) ( 6037 bytes ) link +2
        
        I just watched the video --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 17:06:02 ) (38 reads) ( 17 bytes )
        Re: Here's how tricky it gets --- Cynthia ( Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 11:17:02 ) (28 reads) ( 896 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Here's how tricky it gets --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 14:47:01 ) (25 reads) ( 1396 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: Here's how tricky it gets --- Cynthia ( Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 07:21:44 ) (47 reads) ( 4691 bytes ) link
        
        Here's how tricky it gets --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 16:40:29 ) (45 reads) ( 6037 bytes ) link
  - The other stuff --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 21:17:48 ) (49 reads) ( 618 bytes ) link +1
    - Re: The other stuff --- Cynthia ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 10:11:36 ) (47 reads) ( 280 bytes )
- Re: Jesus Jim --- ocker ( Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 13:12:24 ) (44 reads) ( 1338 bytes ) +2
  - Re: Jesus Jim --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 14:54:06 ) (34 reads) ( 1172 bytes ) link +1
    - Here's Geller's latest. Out there insance conspiracy theory or not? --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 15:00:10 ) (38 reads) ( 20 bytes ) link
  - On many issues Geller IS way out there ...that's true. --- Dermot ( Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 04:23:33 ) (37 reads) ( 6944 bytes ) link +2
    - Courthouse rumble 1& 2 ... very funny --- Dermot ( Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 04:53:38 ) (24 reads) ( 1059 bytes )
    - Amen! --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 16:32:17 ) (26 reads) ( 3084 bytes ) link +1
      - Unholy alliance: Jesse " Jackass" Jackson & CAIR --- Dermot ( Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 02:45:52 ) (30 reads) ( 15.1 KB ) link
Its more than an affront to the victims and survivors of the 9/11 --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 21:00:33 ) (52 reads) ( 134 bytes ) link

Ok Miri, One last time --- Jethro ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 14:55:03 ) (47 reads) ( 403 bytes ) link +52

You are a Jew, I'm an Israeli - maybe that's the problem --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 17:45:19 ) (51 reads) ( 3642 bytes ) +1
- Actually, I am also Israeli --- Jethro ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 18:10:30 ) (47 reads) ( 248 bytes ) link +1
  - Israeli is someone who lives here, at least for me --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 18:22:24 ) (38 reads) ( 131 bytes ) img +1
    - I am sure President Assad will welcome you to Syria (edited) --- Jethro ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 18:53:17 ) (45 reads) ( 131 bytes ) link +1
      - ..and here is a mitzva for you to do..sign this --- Jethro ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 19:52:41 ) (34 reads) ( 1090 bytes ) link +2
        
        Re: ..and here is a mitzva for you to do..sign this --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 01:30:04 ) (29 reads) ( 378 bytes ) +1
        
        Yes, I know what the lefty Israeli government did. --- Jethro ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 03:25:43 ) (34 reads) ( 424 bytes ) +2
        
        Talking about apoligies --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 05:24:07 ) (27 reads) ( 1095 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Talking about apoligies --- Jethro ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 07:21:30 ) (35 reads) ( 1836 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Talking about apoligies --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 08:37:07 ) (42 reads) ( 438 bytes ) link img +1
        
        Yes, Miri, that tour does look inviting! --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 20:10:29 ) (32 reads) ( 56 bytes ) link +2
        
        My mistake -- they're only day trips --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 20:14:25 ) (31 reads) ( 276 bytes )
        Hahaha... --- Dermot ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 23:11:50 ) (30 reads) ( 723 bytes ) +1
        
        Imagine Miri and her friends in a Hamas TV viewing focus group --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 10:29:25 ) (24 reads) ( 2160 bytes ) link +2
        
        Re: Imagine Miri and her friends in a Hamas TV viewing focus group --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 11:59:39 ) (31 reads) ( 444 bytes ) +1
        
        You're prepared to go that far out on a limb? --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 19:50:37 ) (29 reads) ( 330 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You're prepared to go that far out on a limb? --- snow-white ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 00:25:50 ) (28 reads) ( 132 bytes )
        
        Motzah --- Dermot ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 20:14:55 ) (22 reads) ( 636 bytes ) +1
        
        Here's a racist thought for you! --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 21:25:37 ) (24 reads) ( 815 bytes ) +1
        
        Well, you pesky, perfidious Jews did " create " --- Dermot ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 23:33:54 ) (43 reads) ( 20.9 KB ) +1
        
        A Welsh joke --- Jethro ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 06:25:44 ) (34 reads) ( 103 bytes ) +2
        
        That was so bad I'm on Miri's side now (no text) --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 12:59:17 ) (10 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        That was one sophisticated joke --- snow-white ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 14:13:12 ) (26 reads) ( 66 bytes ) +1
        
        I hate bad puns but so what? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 18:50:56 ) (23 reads) ( 90 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: I hate bad puns but so what? --- snow-white ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 06:17:16 ) (24 reads) ( 179 bytes ) img +1
        
        Well let's settle this right now! --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 16:09:00 ) (28 reads) ( 469 bytes ) +2
        
        Yes, right now! --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 00:54:17 ) (23 reads) ( 745 bytes ) +1
        
        The fact is you're ignorant --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 15:00:37 ) (22 reads) ( 334 bytes ) +1
        
        What matters is --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 02:11:52 ) (18 reads) ( 58 bytes ) +1
        
        No, Miri, that'd be you --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 12:36:40 ) (18 reads) ( 127 bytes ) +1
        
        If you Clever, Rational and All knowing Jim say so, then it must be true --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 13:51:17 ) (18 reads) ( 5 bytes )
        
        Re: Well let's settle this right now! --- Jethro ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 04:37:58 ) (30 reads) ( 653 bytes ) link +2
        
        You'll never admit anything --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 06:02:34 ) (26 reads) ( 112 bytes )
        Re: Well let's settle this right now! --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 14:42:55 ) (27 reads) ( 852 bytes )
        
        Well, Jethro ... --- Dermot ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 02:21:38 ) (27 reads) ( 301 bytes ) +1
        
        LOL..Loved it dermot --- Jethro ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 04:07:56 ) (25 reads) ( 531 bytes ) +1
        
        That's not good enough, Jethro --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 14:13:46 ) (27 reads) ( 703 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: That's not good enough, Jethro --- Jethro ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 15:02:02 ) (31 reads) ( 569 bytes ) +1
        
        Wow! The bold and the brave, aren't they (no text) --- snow-white ( Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 06:33:10 ) (13 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Yes, Miri, bold and brave exactly --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 16:04:32 ) (20 reads) ( 61 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Yes, Miri, bold and brave exactly --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 00:47:07 ) (28 reads) ( 154 bytes )
        
        It was not a leftie government (no text) --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:00:05 ) (8 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: It was not a leftie government.........really? --- Jethro ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:46:51 ) (27 reads) ( 284 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: It was not a leftie government.........really? --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 02:16:34 ) (29 reads) ( 256 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: It was not a leftie government.........really? --- Jethro ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 02:51:17 ) (31 reads) ( 815 bytes ) +2
        
        Grow up Jethro baby, you're so childish --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 03:28:00 ) (34 reads) ( 601 bytes )
        It is not Yerida - it is called immigration --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 03:34:34 ) (24 reads) ( 326 bytes )
        
        War criminals --- patD ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 14:46:21 ) (27 reads) ( 1661 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: War criminals --- snow-white ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 00:34:11 ) (25 reads) ( 919 bytes )
        
        I've just did, and now how about you doing a Mitzva? --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 05:15:31 ) (37 reads) ( 458 bytes ) +2
        
        Jethro, did you swallow your tongue? (no text) --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 00:58:46 ) (10 reads) ( 0 bytes )
        OK then, join the settlers in harassing the Palestinians, that's a Mitzva (no text) --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 03:30:39 ) (5 reads) ( 0 bytes )

If you get it wrong .... --- Dermot ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 23:22:11 ) (42 reads) ( 390 bytes ) +6

Corn flakes ... --- Dermot ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:14:21 ) (36 reads) ( 616 bytes ) +1
- All really nice... --- Cynthia ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 12:14:50 ) (28 reads) ( 463 bytes ) link +1
  - Re: All really nice... --- Dermot ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 15:20:06 ) (18 reads) ( 341 bytes ) +1
    - A country boy can survive... --- Dermot ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 15:39:47 ) (25 reads) ( 1128 bytes ) +1
      - A little hat tip to the big groan. --- Dermot ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 02:10:36 ) (16 reads) ( 794 bytes ) +1
        
        So, pop pickers --- Dermot ( Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 06:46:39 ) (20 reads) ( 1622 bytes )

Possible assassination attempt on dinnerjacket --- Jethro ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 07:42:20 ) (45 reads) ( 839 bytes ) link +2

Re: Possible assassination attempt on dinnerjacket --- Fiona ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 15:00:28 ) (26 reads) ( 302 bytes ) +1
- What can we expect from someone who says that Iran has no gays. nt (no text) --- Jethro ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 06:21:50 ) (6 reads) ( 0 bytes )

The Queen's Riddle (An Israeli joke) --- Jethro ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 06:40:42 ) (28 reads) ( 1821 bytes )

A picture worth a thousand words --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 01:38:09 ) (82 reads) ( 321 bytes ) link img +41

Actually, it says far too little --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 12:10:34 ) (49 reads) ( 290 bytes ) +1
- you're back to your habit to attack and insult --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 13:54:48 ) (45 reads) ( 1413 bytes ) link +3
  - Re: you're back to your habit to attack and insult --- Cynthia ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 17:47:44 ) (53 reads) ( 651 bytes ) +3
    - Re: you're back to your habit to attack and insult --- hilltop ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 21:34:56 ) (50 reads) ( 998 bytes ) +2
      - Who said anything about "killing them" Hilltop? --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 22:58:37 ) (42 reads) ( 462 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Who said anything about "killing them" Hilltop? --- hilltop ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:09:06 ) (30 reads) ( 626 bytes )
      - Re: you're back to your habit to attack and insult --- Cynthia ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 05:16:24 ) (42 reads) ( 201 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: you're back to your habit to attack and insult --- hilltop ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 23:30:49 ) (53 reads) ( 1645 bytes ) +1
        
        That's right Hilltop! (no text) --- snow-white ( Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 01:14:35 ) (5 reads) ( 0 bytes )
    - when a slave reigns --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 01:00:51 ) (49 reads) ( 5846 bytes ) link +4
      - Once again, you prove my point perfectly! --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 01:30:08 ) (33 reads) ( 205 bytes )
      - You asked me how could I go on living here --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 01:33:33 ) (31 reads) ( 1541 bytes )
      - Re: when a slave reigns --- Cynthia ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 09:38:19 ) (29 reads) ( 1538 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: when a slave reigns (edited) --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 10:33:29 ) (23 reads) ( 4632 bytes )
        I see this and I cry --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 13:12:30 ) (23 reads) ( 1126 bytes ) +1
        
        They demolished it again --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 05:26:09 ) (9 reads) ( 228 bytes )
      - Re: Benny Morris and Others --- ocker ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 12:59:29 ) (22 reads) ( 1097 bytes )
    - Re: you're back to your habit to attack and insult --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 03:06:07 ) (29 reads) ( 790 bytes )
  - Okay, Miri, how about YOU explain then? --- Jim ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 23:12:37 ) (36 reads) ( 556 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Okay, Miri, how about YOU explain then? --- 13 ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 04:49:23 ) (41 reads) ( 720 bytes ) +3
      - Re: Okay, Miri, how about YOU explain then? --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 06:09:08 ) (29 reads) ( 1470 bytes ) link +1
        
        Blah blah blah blah blah blah --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 09:30:21 ) (36 reads) ( 1975 bytes ) link +2
        
        Jewish Israel haters --- Jethro ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 09:53:47 ) (37 reads) ( 849 bytes ) +3
        
        Don't join in my post unless you apologize --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 10:10:08 ) (33 reads) ( 121 bytes )
        Why don't you come and join --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 10:35:50 ) (34 reads) ( 77 bytes )
        ..and I should add JIM --- Jethro ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 11:09:18 ) (32 reads) ( 66 bytes ) +1
        
        Jethro - you're a racist and a coward (no text) --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 11:59:20 ) (6 reads) ( 0 bytes )
        
        Re: Blah blah blah blah blah blah --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 10:12:51 ) (33 reads) ( 59 bytes )
      - Not true at all, 13! --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 09:05:02 ) (45 reads) ( 1639 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Not true at all, 13! --- anthony ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 14:53:59 ) (53 reads) ( 307 bytes ) +2
        
        Wow, Anthony --- snow-white ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 18:05:15 ) (32 reads) ( 1785 bytes ) link
        Yes, you're British but can't you even REMEMBER the rule of law? --- Jim ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 19:08:06 ) (37 reads) ( 959 bytes ) +1
        
        Well, Anthony? --- Jim ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 19:20:51 ) (19 reads) ( 51 bytes )
      - 13 ---- First comes the horse, then the cart! Eureka! --- Dermot ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 21:35:43 ) (33 reads) ( 6425 bytes ) link
  - Re: you're back to your habit to attack and insult --- ocker ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 12:36:56 ) (29 reads) ( 707 bytes )
Re: A picture worth a thousand words ... evictions & demolitions --- Dermot ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 16:41:39 ) (49 reads) ( 4334 bytes ) +3
- Why the Aldura issue is ---SO---- important --- Dermot ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 19:46:37 ) (27 reads) ( 10.5 KB ) link +1
  - The little " France 2 " piece I referred to: --- Dermot ( Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 20:04:29 ) (23 reads) ( 3762 bytes )
- The pedant --- Dermot ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 04:51:45 ) (19 reads) ( 905 bytes )
- It was demolished again! --- snow-white ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 05:07:58 ) (30 reads) ( 177 bytes ) +1
  - Re: It was demolished again! ...why I'm overly cautious and a stickler --- Dermot ( Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 06:19:31 ) (45 reads) ( 4141 bytes ) link

How Israel turns a Palestinian village near east Jerusalem into a Jewish one --- snow-white ( Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 14:33:44 ) (28 reads) ( 675 bytes ) link

Is this situation much worse than that in Britain? --- Jim ( Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 15:58:31 ) (35 reads) ( 936 bytes ) link

Ye gods!! You vote for Cameron to get rid of Brown ....... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 19:14:37 ) (43 reads) ( 26.1 KB ) +1

Re: Ye gods!! You vote for Cameron to get rid of Brown ....... --- patD ( Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 23:08:18 ) (39 reads) ( 3398 bytes ) link img

Lawrence Krauss ---the " stand-up" scientist ( ?)

--- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 12:13:38 ) (29 reads) ( 4428 bytes ) link

I'll tell ya what I'll do for ya ... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 11:41:14 ) (54 reads) ( 1956 bytes )

Reds under American beds�.McCarthyism. --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 11:27:17 ) (51 reads) ( 6021 bytes ) link +11

Yes, and don't forget the Mormon Menace! --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 12:00:19 ) (41 reads) ( 1785 bytes ) link file +2
- Re: Yes, and don't forget the Mormon Menace! --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 12:18:00 ) (32 reads) ( 8603 bytes )
- Re: Yes, and don't forget the Mormon Menace! --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 14:27:22 ) (40 reads) ( 4550 bytes ) +2
  - Technically speaking I'm still here ..... --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 17:58:12 ) (26 reads) ( 665 bytes )
  - The Crown prosecutor's theory of my madness --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 10:44:08 ) (40 reads) ( 4445 bytes ) link +1
    - Re: The Crown prosecutor's theory of my madness --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 14:27:12 ) (33 reads) ( 581 bytes ) +2
      - Re: The Crown prosecutor's theory of my madness --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:49:40 ) (34 reads) ( 245 bytes )
      - A gay Christian speaks in Montreal ( 9 months ago) --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 20:14:33 ) (27 reads) ( 1119 bytes ) +2
        
        Quick note re locating successive vids --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 20:39:36 ) (15 reads) ( 305 bytes )
        Re: A gay Christian speaks in Montreal ( 9 months ago) --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 14:07:20 ) (22 reads) ( 813 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: A gay Christian speaks in Montreal ( 9 months ago) --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 14:15:36 ) (20 reads) ( 94 bytes )

Father O'Grady --- snow-white ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 00:03:19 ) (94 reads) ( 1026 bytes ) +49

The ( milder) Fr. Timon --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 03:32:46 ) (82 reads) ( 6928 bytes ) link +4
- Another word has surfaced from the depths of my mind from decades & decad... --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 06:21:29 ) (67 reads) ( 1282 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Another word has surfaced from the depths of my mind from decades & d... --- Cynthia ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 12:16:33 ) (48 reads) ( 1087 bytes ) +1
    - Yeah, another ...the Tabernacle, haha --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 13:22:07 ) (36 reads) ( 1336 bytes )
- Re: The ( milder) Fr. Timon --- snow-white ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 09:31:12 ) (40 reads) ( 606 bytes ) +2
  - I suppose mine could have been Cardinal and not a mere venial sin, haha... --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 13:37:28 ) (42 reads) ( 2835 bytes ) link +1
    - Re: I suppose mine could have been Cardinal and not a mere venial sin, haha... --- snow-white ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 13:54:32 ) (33 reads) ( 555 bytes ) img
  - Relax, we Catholics are not barbarians. --- sulla ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 02:15:18 ) (40 reads) ( 743 bytes ) +1
    - Sulla, you can relax too --- snow-white ( Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 13:23:19 ) (27 reads) ( 477 bytes )
- Interesting, Dermot! --- Cynthia ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 12:06:58 ) (41 reads) ( 78 bytes )
- Re: Journey To The East makes a lot of sense --- ocker ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 04:31:45 ) (45 reads) ( 202 bytes ) +1
  - Walking? With all his wealthy friends to call on for comfort and shekels? --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 11:25:14 ) (70 reads) ( 1428 bytes ) link +3
    - Ha --- snow-white ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 12:56:05 ) (38 reads) ( 539 bytes )
    - After a spear thrust into his side? --- anthony ( Tue, Jul 20, 2010, 15:59:55 ) (49 reads) ( 4432 bytes ) +2
      - Jesus....the lost years. --- patD ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 13:19:58 ) (71 reads) ( 862 bytes ) img +2
        
        Does that mean then, Pat... --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 14:14:55 ) (45 reads) ( 978 bytes ) +1
        
        This is one of the best history books I've read in terms of --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 14:35:16 ) (43 reads) ( 938 bytes ) link
        
        Re: Jesus....the lost years. --- anthony ( Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 04:54:04 ) (333 reads) ( 5235 bytes ) +3
        
        Thanks, Anthony. --- PatD ( Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 13:35:25 ) (128 reads) ( 384 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Thanks, Anthony. --- anthony ( Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 14:25:14 ) (133 reads) ( 926 bytes ) +1
        
        Costs & Profits --- patD ( Fri, Jul 23, 2010, 14:45:49 ) (114 reads) ( 614 bytes )
        
        Don�t you think Jet black hair dye is �shocking�, Anthony? --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 02:56:34 ) (106 reads) ( 4818 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Don�t you think Jet black hair dye is �shocking�, Anthony? --- anthony ( Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 04:13:58 ) (37 reads) ( 1659 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Don�t you think Jet black hair dye is �shocking�, Anthony? --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 11:13:14 ) (45 reads) ( 1978 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Don�t you think Jet black hair dye is �shocking�, Anthony? --- anthony ( Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:18:40 ) (37 reads) ( 1612 bytes ) +1
        
        On the contrary, actually ... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 15:22:54 ) (47 reads) ( 4377 bytes )
        
        I don't really understand ,Anthony. --- lexy ( Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 10:56:19 ) (33 reads) ( 1074 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: I don't really understand ,Anthony. --- anthony ( Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 11:43:55 ) (32 reads) ( 647 bytes )
      - Pick your favourite theory --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 13:37:12 ) (51 reads) ( 1460 bytes ) +4
        
        A very SERIOUS pov re the wider, non-Jewish, audience ... --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 13:58:39 ) (45 reads) ( 188 bytes )
        One interesting point, of course --- anthony ( Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 02:23:32 ) (48 reads) ( 2292 bytes )
        Re: The brother of Jesus, James the Just --- ocker ( Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 12:34:04 ) (43 reads) ( 533 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The brother of Jesus, James the Just --- rgj ( Fri, Jul 23, 2010, 07:24:55 ) (31 reads) ( 696 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The brother of Jesus, James the Just --- ocker ( Fri, Jul 23, 2010, 12:50:08 ) (36 reads) ( 486 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The brother of Jesus, James the Just --- rgj ( Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 04:06:45 ) (28 reads) ( 1134 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: PS --- ocker ( Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 12:32:31 ) (28 reads) ( 203 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: PS --- rgj ( Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 17:30:48 ) (22 reads) ( 1430 bytes )
        
        Dermot, take a look at this one --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 23, 2010, 08:04:05 ) (47 reads) ( 994 bytes ) link img +1
        
        Re: Dermot, take a look at this one --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 14:35:34 ) (49 reads) ( 3036 bytes ) +2
        
        Phew, I thought I'd left " war of Ideas" on a train .. --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 14:43:24 ) (40 reads) ( 339 bytes ) +1
        
        Screaming trees for Jesus --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 16:46:35 ) (39 reads) ( 585 bytes )
        
        It's a real nail-biter! --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 19:54:08 ) (45 reads) ( 519 bytes ) link +1
        
        Do you think he�s genuinely innocent, Jim? --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 02:42:09 ) (40 reads) ( 1927 bytes )
    - Jesus and 'Knowledge' --- anthony ( Tue, Jul 20, 2010, 16:19:36 ) (51 reads) ( 1090 bytes )
Re: Father O'Grady --- Cynthia ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 11:30:52 ) (52 reads) ( 590 bytes ) +1
- Re: Father O'Grady --- snow-white ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 12:51:50 ) (45 reads) ( 588 bytes ) img
Re: Father O'Grady --- sulla ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 00:36:32 ) (50 reads) ( 1053 bytes ) link +1
- Dear Sulla --- snow-white ( Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 05:23:12 ) (35 reads) ( 269 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Dear Sulla --- sulla ( Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 00:58:05 ) (16 reads) ( 369 bytes )

Amazing photographs .... --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 16:35:52 ) (76 reads) ( 294 bytes ) link

FINALLY -- Islam becomes directly relevant to the ex-premie forum! --- jim ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 18:40:00 ) (76 reads) ( 44 bytes ) link +13

Re: FINALLY -- Islam becomes directly relevant to the ex-premie forum! --- 13 ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 23:50:54 ) (69 reads) ( 238 bytes ) +1
- Lol. Sorry, I can't help it that was funny! (no text) --- hilltop ( Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 01:05:04 ) (12 reads) ( 0 bytes )
Good morning Vietnam --- snow-white ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 01:49:34 ) (52 reads) ( 197 bytes ) +2
- Re: Good morning Vietnam --- JHB ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 11:22:25 ) (47 reads) ( 804 bytes ) +2
  - Re: Good morning Vietnam --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 12:27:41 ) (43 reads) ( 279 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Good morning Vietnam --- JHB ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 12:39:13 ) (51 reads) ( 958 bytes ) +2
      - Re: Good morning Vietnam --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 13:33:08 ) (50 reads) ( 428 bytes )
      - Re: Good morning Vietnam --- hilltop ( Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 00:09:46 ) (38 reads) ( 1057 bytes ) file
  - Re: Good morning Vietnam --- snow-white ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 12:49:09 ) (40 reads) ( 294 bytes ) +1
    - OIL??? - Let's look as US wars --- JHB ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 13:02:59 ) (51 reads) ( 398 bytes ) link
- Re: Good morning Vietnam --- Cynthia ( Tue, Jul 20, 2010, 06:32:22 ) (44 reads) ( 1618 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Good morning Vietnam --- snow-white ( Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 12:26:39 ) (36 reads) ( 2832 bytes )
Re: FINALLY -- Islam becomes directly relevant to the ex-premie forum! --- Jethro ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 05:25:02 ) (45 reads) ( 601 bytes )

There is hope --- snow-white ( Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 13:14:32 ) (40 reads) ( 695 bytes ) link

"I write like..." --- Cynthia ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 11:24:11 ) (85 reads) ( 372 bytes ) link +10

Re: "I write like..." --- 13 ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 11:49:04 ) (52 reads) ( 261 bytes ) +2
- very suspicious. --- aunt bea ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 13:46:48 ) (62 reads) ( 204 bytes ) +3
  - Good test! (nt) --- 13 ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 13:49:57 ) (23 reads) ( 2 bytes )
  - Guess what --- jim ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 15:35:03 ) (56 reads) ( 98 bytes )
  - Re: very suspicious. --- Cynthia ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 06:04:37 ) (33 reads) ( 85 bytes )
- Re: "I write like..." --- Cynthia ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 06:05:26 ) (31 reads) ( 99 bytes )
Re: "I write like..." --- lexy ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 18:16:36 ) (50 reads) ( 13 bytes ) +1
- Re: "I write like..." --- snow-white ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 23:42:54 ) (37 reads) ( 253 bytes ) img
Re: "I write like..." --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 00:04:44 ) (51 reads) ( 622 bytes ) +1
- James Joyce -- Not bad! (NT) --- Cynthia ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 14:55:24 ) (17 reads) ( 7 bytes )

The future of this forum --- JHB ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 17:30:05 ) (95 reads) ( 1887 bytes ) +38

No chit chat! --- Jim ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 19:09:58 ) (70 reads) ( 5036 bytes ) +1
- Don't kid yourself --- aunt bea ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 17:17:34 ) (45 reads) ( 241 bytes )
Re: The future of this forum --- hilltop ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 21:01:18 ) (60 reads) ( 310 bytes ) +1
- Re: The future of this forum --- hilltop ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 21:29:38 ) (69 reads) ( 501 bytes )
Re: The future of this forum --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 22:16:27 ) (59 reads) ( 4396 bytes )
Re: The future of this forum --- Jethro ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 01:27:11 ) (57 reads) ( 917 bytes ) +1
- I have tried to present some other point of view --- snow-white ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 03:45:20 ) (70 reads) ( 2709 bytes ) link +1
  - You've done nothing of the sort --- Jim ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 10:46:56 ) (45 reads) ( 940 bytes ) +1
    - Re: You've done nothing of the sort --- snow-white ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 11:41:49 ) (49 reads) ( 485 bytes ) +1
      - Re: You've done nothing of the sort --- JHB ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 11:48:35 ) (52 reads) ( 788 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: You've done nothing of the sort --- snow-white ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 12:46:25 ) (49 reads) ( 2564 bytes ) +2
        
        It's the term 'Palestinian' that is an invention --- JHB ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 13:24:09 ) (48 reads) ( 875 bytes ) +2
        
        I am not a prophet --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 00:18:18 ) (35 reads) ( 1856 bytes )
        Re: It's the term 'Palestinian' that is an invention --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 02:22:58 ) (28 reads) ( 142 bytes )
        
        See? You couldn't answer John's questions --- Jim ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 18:18:24 ) (37 reads) ( 277 bytes ) +1
        
        See? I just did (no text) --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 01:50:07 ) (9 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +2
        
        No you didn't! --- JHB ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 03:14:07 ) (39 reads) ( 890 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: No you didn't! --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 05:22:07 ) (37 reads) ( 2115 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: No you didn't! (edited) --- JHB ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 09:22:01 ) (37 reads) ( 1544 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: No you didn't! (edited) --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 10:44:32 ) (32 reads) ( 3397 bytes ) img +1
        
        Re: No you didn't! (edited) --- JHB ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 15:48:24 ) (28 reads) ( 1950 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: No you didn't! (edited) --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 17:40:50 ) (35 reads) ( 1521 bytes ) +2
        
        Thanks Snow White & JHB. Great Posts! --- hilltop ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 21:08:22 ) (42 reads) ( 313 bytes )
        Re: No you didn't! (edited) --- JHB ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 21:50:47 ) (40 reads) ( 489 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: No you didn't! (edited) --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 23:56:41 ) (37 reads) ( 1326 bytes )
        
        Huh? --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 10:49:07 ) (35 reads) ( 1028 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Huh? --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 12:57:21 ) (45 reads) ( 2295 bytes ) +1
        
        Mira, you're a lost cause and waste of time --- jim ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 14:14:40 ) (30 reads) ( 17 bytes ) +1
        
        Strange --- snow-white ( Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 23:49:48 ) (36 reads) ( 679 bytes ) link +1
        
        Like I said ........ --- jim ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 14:00:38 ) (37 reads) ( 166 bytes ) +1
        
        ...and you're no better (no text) --- snow-white ( Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 15:24:26 ) (7 reads) ( 0 bytes )
wow, that's amazing. --- aunt bea ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 17:12:37 ) (52 reads) ( 2743 bytes ) +3
- Re: wow, that's amazing. --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 18:07:40 ) (56 reads) ( 764 bytes )
- Re: wow, that's amazing. --- 13 ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 02:40:18 ) (36 reads) ( 841 bytes )
- Good suggestions, Auntie! --- JHB ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 09:26:00 ) (38 reads) ( 51 bytes )
Re: The future of this forum --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 06:57:09 ) (40 reads) ( 2047 bytes )
Re: The future of this forum --- patD ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 18:15:03 ) (30 reads) ( 974 bytes )
Re: The future of this forum --- Nigel ( Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 10:51:01 ) (9 reads) ( 1844 bytes )

Mohammad Ayoob a Symbol of Muslim Dissembling --- aunt bea ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 01:07:27 ) (32 reads) ( 1968 bytes ) link

Not that I'm quite finished yet .... Jordan is Palestine, after all

--- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 22:25:33 ) (45 reads) ( 10133 bytes ) +6

Wow! --- Jim ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 23:56:04 ) (35 reads) ( 463 bytes ) link +1
- From the Augean Stables.... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 16:36:15 ) (41 reads) ( 1449 bytes ) link
and let us not forget that --- Jethro ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 00:56:27 ) (48 reads) ( 307 bytes ) link +1
- Re: and let us not forget that --- aunt bea ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 02:33:57 ) (40 reads) ( 1001 bytes ) +1
  - Too bad we couldn't frame this in more political sovereign terms --- Jim ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 10:53:25 ) (33 reads) ( 563 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Too bad we couldn't frame this in more political sovereign terms --- aunt bea ( Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 05:22:29 ) (20 reads) ( 237 bytes )

The Israeli lefties are just as hateful as their brothers abroad. --- Jethro ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 04:04:03 ) (38 reads) ( 1752 bytes ) link +1

These are the people you admire, no words, only actions --- snow-white ( Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 05:13:34 ) (39 reads) ( 270 bytes ) link

UK best at death --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 23:16:47 ) (23 reads) ( 2050 bytes )

JihadWatch parrots the shite that the Daily Mail puts out. --- 13 ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 09:01:45 ) (76 reads) ( 916 bytes ) link +18

Re: JihadWatch parrots the shite that the Daily Mail puts out. --- patD ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 10:42:04 ) (49 reads) ( 486 bytes ) link img +1
- Re: JihadWatch parrots the shite that the Daily Mail puts out. --- 13 ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 10:55:32 ) (48 reads) ( 301 bytes )
I smell a rat not a parrot. --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 15:18:25 ) (43 reads) ( 12.3 KB ) +1
- And a quick reference to Councillor Anthony Harris! --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 15:58:09 ) (26 reads) ( 1695 bytes ) +1
  - Just listened to the Now show coverage .. --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 20:53:15 ) (25 reads) ( 4999 bytes )
What a nothing, tiny, trivial issue! (part 2) --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 16:10:45 ) (47 reads) ( 277 bytes ) +1
- Re: What a nothing, tiny, trivial issue! (part 2) --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 00:38:19 ) (50 reads) ( 3521 bytes ) +1
  - What a stupid and offensive thing to say! --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 10:02:49 ) (41 reads) ( 1528 bytes ) +1
    - Separating the wheat from the chaff --- PatD ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 13:20:21 ) (40 reads) ( 704 bytes ) link +1
      - Furthermore....for 13 --- patD ( Tue, Jul 13, 2010, 14:25:41 ) (40 reads) ( 239 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: Furthermore....for 13 --- 13 ( Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 00:01:40 ) (34 reads) ( 1761 bytes )
The question that needs answering.... --- JHB ( Sun, Jul 11, 2010, 01:02:56 ) (49 reads) ( 184 bytes ) +1
- The question that needs answering.... --- Jethro ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 00:37:30 ) (45 reads) ( 168 bytes ) +1
  - Re: The question that needs answering.... --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 00:49:04 ) (46 reads) ( 517 bytes ) +2
    - Re: The question that needs answering.... --- Jethro ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 01:43:52 ) (39 reads) ( 975 bytes ) +1
      - Re: The question that needs answering.... --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 08:08:05 ) (34 reads) ( 1099 bytes )
    - It gets worse ...school swimming/exams/discipline etc has to bend to Ramadan ... --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 12, 2010, 22:54:03 ) (42 reads) ( 3478 bytes ) link +1
      - Re: It gets worse ...school swimming/exams/discipline etc has to bend to Rama... --- 13 ( Tue, Jul 13, 2010, 05:37:09 ) (46 reads) ( 424 bytes )

Outnumbered ----- really brilliant, IMO

--- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 18:29:30 ) (46 reads) ( 4935 bytes ) +1

Just 7 mins more --" English repression " meets Americana --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 19:25:11 ) (30 reads) ( 188 bytes )

The best clean joke I have heard all year --- Jethro ( Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 09:00:47 ) (68 reads) ( 1737 bytes ) +1

...a lone voice in the wilderness(cough, cough) (no text) --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 09, 2010, 03:22:06 ) (9 reads) ( 0 bytes )

" Exotic" Shappi

--- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 17:03:00 ) (71 reads) ( 188 bytes ) +3

How do you say great in British? (nt) --- aunt bea ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 08:14:44 ) (12 reads) ( 6 bytes ) +1
- wicked (nt) --- 13 ( Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 17:13:01 ) (7 reads) ( 2 bytes )
Funny! (no text) --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 10:24:16 ) (11 reads) ( 0 bytes )

The world cup... --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 19:28:48 ) (50 reads) ( 3780 bytes )

Oops... I'm getting increasingly loose-tongued & stroppy with the Guardian. --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 11:31:43 ) (83 reads) ( 5295 bytes ) +11

Re: Oops... I'm getting increasingly loose-tongued & stroppy with the Gua... --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 13:39:20 ) (49 reads) ( 235 bytes ) +1
- Re: Oops... I'm getting increasingly loose-tongued & stroppy with the Gua... --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 10:12:32 ) (16 reads) ( 2773 bytes ) link
Dermot, if you want to get published --- aunt bea ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 04:09:49 ) (43 reads) ( 178 bytes ) +1
- Don't be silly .. --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 07:23:33 ) (52 reads) ( 3988 bytes ) +1
  - about the Israel thing --- aunt bea ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 03:14:45 ) (36 reads) ( 1983 bytes ) +3
    - Re: about the Israel thing --- snow-white ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 04:15:39 ) (42 reads) ( 3260 bytes ) +1
      - Did you know this, Mira? --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 10:04:08 ) (33 reads) ( 799 bytes )
    - Muslim and European anti-semitism --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 08:50:56 ) (43 reads) ( 1558 bytes ) link +1
      - thanks for distracting me from my work for an hour. --- aunt bea ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 09:59:41 ) (31 reads) ( 68 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: thanks for distracting me from my work for an hour. --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 10:07:17 ) (34 reads) ( 110 bytes )
    - Erdogan a few months before the flotilla --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 06, 2010, 01:01:37 ) (33 reads) ( 1409 bytes )

A debate on wife beating from the religion of peace --- Jethro ( Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 23:27:26 ) (60 reads) ( 421 bytes ) +17

Notice how the male was challenged on that TV programme? --- cq ( Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 16:27:13 ) (51 reads) ( 174 bytes ) +2
- Re: Notice how the male was challenged on that TV programme? --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 14:47:38 ) (46 reads) ( 3748 bytes )
- East and West... of Jerusalme the united capital of Israel --- snow-white ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 01:37:43 ) (35 reads) ( 2927 bytes ) link +1
  - A real danger to Israeli occupaiton and to the state of Israel --- snow-white ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 02:17:10 ) (43 reads) ( 1449 bytes ) +3
    - Re: A real danger to Israeli occupaiton and to the state of Israelness --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 08:42:48 ) (46 reads) ( 4143 bytes ) +1
      - A swing and a see-saw as a prism --- snow-white ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 12:32:47 ) (38 reads) ( 1461 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: A swing and a see-saw as a prism ( and a school, a kids tv cartoon etc, e... --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 15:38:28 ) (34 reads) ( 18.3 KB ) +1
        
        Re: A swing and a see-saw as a prism ( and a school, a kids tv cartoon etc, e... --- snow-white ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 23:43:56 ) (27 reads) ( 2308 bytes )
        
        Not even one? --- snow-white ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 13:29:55 ) (40 reads) ( 701 bytes ) img +2
        
        What a nothing, tiny, trivial issue! --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 21:22:10 ) (37 reads) ( 677 bytes ) +1
        
        Justifications! --- snow-white ( Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 01:31:43 ) (32 reads) ( 3039 bytes ) +1
        
        Here's a nice little story for you, Snow White --- Jim ( Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 10:48:35 ) (33 reads) ( 24.6 KB ) link +1
        
        Re: Here's a nice little story for you, Snow White --- snow-white ( Thu, Jul 08, 2010, 01:05:19 ) (23 reads) ( 162 bytes )
        
        And just to add a mere million words or so ( and a link) to Jim's apposite r... --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 23:44:28 ) (36 reads) ( 20.6 KB ) link
    - How far from the founding principles of the State of Israel will they go? --- cq ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 08:55:33 ) (40 reads) ( 1430 bytes ) link
    - One thing which strikes me, and I may be wrong --- anthony ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 13:44:16 ) (46 reads) ( 1813 bytes ) +1
      - I'll take a shot at it. --- aunt bea ( Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 14:52:10 ) (34 reads) ( 235 bytes )

Pavarotti and Brown... --- Cynthia ( Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 14:25:43 ) (49 reads) ( 402 bytes ) +1

Re: Pavarotti and Brown... --- Jasper ( Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 09:33:19 ) (26 reads) ( 86 bytes )