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05/19/2006, 04:10:55
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Truth - Consciousness - Bliss

Many people who post on this Forum might yawn at this post and think why is he bringing up that old thing. Why is he making anything of it? But nevertheless.

I was very shocked to hear this video clip: http://www.ex-premie.org/video/passages/familybusiness.wmv

"It was quite challenging that this whole dust-up should happen and the harmony that had existed
in the family just broke up so easily, and it's as if his own family couldn't accept him.
Now we know now in retrospect that this had been simmering for a long time, that the famiy had always been a potential bomb,
time-bomb really ticking away, ready to explode the family situation
Maharaji himself has taught about it, that he was never properly accepted as the Master by his own family
and I knew the family, I could see what was happening, that they saw it as the family business."

Firstly Whitaker talks about the "the harmony that had existed
in the family" and seconds later "Maharaji himself has taught about it, that he was never properly accepted as the Master by his own family". So what harmony was there? According to Whitaker the harmony of Prem Rawat trying to bring peace to the world through the divine Knowledge and his family members pretending to go along with it though they knew Prem was no Master and the the final phrase "and I knew the family, I could see what was happening, that they saw it as the family business."

Well F__k You Whitaker, you lying scumbag, you sure as hell didn't tell anyone else about  it. How many hundreds of times must he have "given satsang" before Mata ji disowned young Prem, speaking "from the heart" in the "Company of Truth" and he never once said "Look I can't go on hiding the truth about the Holy Family. Guru Maharaji's mother and two older brothers are just in this for the money and don't believe he's truly the Perfect Master. I cannot understand why Guru Maharaji himself doesn't expose them in satsang but I am going to tell you and I want you to tell all the premies. The Holy Family, except for Prem Pal and Raja Ji are liars and frauds and are here to rip all the premies off." Mind you, he could also have extrapolated from this truth a little further to wonder about Prem Pal and Raja Ji who were acting like little Indian teenage boys let loose in the candy store of their wildest sexual fantasies.

"Maharaji himself has taught about it, that he was never properly accepted as the Master by his own family". As the video was made ablut 5 years ago I wonder when Rawat "taught about it" and to whom? It's in an Elan Vital video, Whitaker couldn't have made it up, he must have been told to say it or Rawat must have said it.

I don't know all the administrative positions and service Whitaker has fulfilled over the years but surely he couldn't always have been a slimy scumbag prepared to say anything, could he? How can people start out searching for sat, chit and anand and end up without morality or discrimination? Well the answer is simple, far simpler than  I want to accept. If you devote yourself to a shallow, venal, lying bastard and worship him as God, you stand a very high chance of becoming a shallow, venal, lying bastard yourself.






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05/19/2006, 05:12:06
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the point you have made here if I may rephrase: in the last para.
If we devote and worship him as god:
(and he happens, in truth not to be):
we run a strong, or certain risk of taking
his negative traits into our personality..

If we try recognising how (we, I) act like him (in his more recently discovered
true nature):

(dogmatic?, demand obedience?, can't take criticism?, multi layered

biased human value assessment? Different rules for different folks?.
But these are are my punters, my clients, my customer base.
Tier system view of society? All those things mentioned by Ocker?
Stubbornly refuse to see the truth? It's my job, it's my living, I've no choice?
I've invested so much money, time, energy, words and hope already?)
We might see some of his traits coming out. (Temper?)

When a premie is defending his goomer raji it is frightening
because he becomes like a puppet and goomer is shouting out at you,
from the premie's mouth. Seen that way, it is the stuff
nightmares are made of. It made me sick to listen
to premies defending him, once I learned to see it that other way:
once I identified the energy that was expressing from within them.

We can always find human situations that are unfair.
But the strange and new nature of this form of belief
cult has caught the "western" 'hemisphere' unawares.

It didn't start here, but we have to purge it from ourselves to move on.
Because it is still new as a societal problem, all research and insights
are invaluable in the restoration of normal society life in the world.

We were used to 'class' type level put downs, we knew there were a few
more levels than three recognised in some cultures. But to get used to
the new class: "single speck of dust on Lord's Left Sandal" was going to
cause some serious self esteem problems somewhere, down the line; especially
when we saw that we were standing in line with a load of blindfolds, saying
"The Emperor's clothes are truly woven from the finest cloth I have ever seen."

Someone has to say something, sooner or later.
Recovery is still a long job, possibly the largest job,
much more work than, say, obtaining a degree.
Thanks to all, over the years, who have been
saying it like it is.

L
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but then you, just as you were about to give up; slope off into the rain..
Re: Re: If we devote ourselves....... -- LP Top of thread Archive
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LP ®

05/20/2006, 10:13:08
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They give you a service to do. You temporarily hide your block of concrete
and chain that was to accompany you into the next dimension,
under a bushel, (not your baragon, and discretion shawl.) .

They give you a name, communication co-ordinator,
or nursee's driver facilitator. For drop outs and failures,
hippies and acid sages, who'd never managed more than
a few days packing boxes or washing dishes
at the Baghdad House, this was a great honour!

We thought we'd gone one better, ha,
couldn't make it in the world, ay?
Now I work for God ha ha, in fact

Now I'm the ashram drains co-ordinator for the whole bloody
North West Region mate! and I don't get paid a penny! duh..
wait a minute . that doesn't sound positive enough, I'll have
to think quick, ah but they showed me god,
that's right, that was it, good deal I reckon.

Like having a career, some of them,
but it was all just gravel for rawat's roller tyres
to make that nice noise on.

Later, before it is overgrown, we are back
looking for our block and chain. How many
little badges have we worn
in fictitious little organisations, only
to find we were less than toy soldiers
to the object of our attentions.

It goes on and on, but now because they appear
to get paid they are more entangled than ever.



Lp






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