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Sure, why not? It happens here all the time.
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So does anybody remmember Charles Cameron? He was a British guy, an author/poet that was around Maharaji alot in the early 70s? Last time I saw his name he had written a forward to a book I was reading, looked like he became a Professor in Southern CA? I would love to know how to contact him. Thanks Stephen b
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I remember him reading some poetry at an event in the early 80's. But I have no idea where he might be now. Sorry! Shelagh
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he use to hang out in London a lot and I met him socially several times at parties and stuff. Well what can I say? He liked to dine out on him being the famous editor of Who is Guru Maharaj Ji. At that time he took time out of his, what I assumed was his busy schedule to remind people that he IS the Charles Cameron. He has been a bit more reticent in recent years in reminding people about his great success with the former Lord of the Universe. Heavens knows why.  You may get to contact him at this place. http://home.earthlink.net/~hipbone/ChasCBio.html If you do manage to contact him perhaps you could invite him here to discuss what his current views of Prem Rawat are. T
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We worked on several writing projects together. We did a study of all the world's religions. pulling out all the quotes which related to each of the 4 techniques: unpublished. I have a copy beside me.
The last time was during the early to mid 80's. He was married, living in Pasadena and ran a weekly poetry group in Malibu, which I attended often, we had a chance to read our poems and comment on each other's work: a useful experience for me. see below!
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Poetry is considered as a means of nourishment of those values within us which the five day week and the eight hour day do not address. It is a specific technology for the deepening of those who write it and those who read or hear it. It requires of its practitioner two things: inspiration and skill. Inspiration cannot be taught, but it can be invoked. And poetic skills can learned by study, practice and introspection. This class will attempt to invoke inspiration and teach poetic skills.
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Muse
You may no longer sit at table
behind refilled wine glasses,
shading your eyes with conversation.
You must allow her to drag you
out across the dance floor
and there seduce you utterly
under the eyes of your astonished
wife, bosom friends, business
associates, and the priest who
performed your marriage ceremony.
If you are to be her man,
you must hunger for her like a man
turned suddenly cannibal, give
yourself always to her with abandon.
Charles Cameron
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Honestly, now, don't you think Cameron's a terrible writer? Prose or poetry, I could never understand his vaulted position as Rawat's poet laureate. I'm talking even then. Even then he sucked.
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Even when I was involved in DLM I thought that much of the scriptural quotes supposedly relating to the four techniques were fanciful. But why not hit us with your best shots? Could be fun.
If you want the book published send it to the Gallery and lets see it up on the net.
Do you know why or when CC removed himself from the Lotus Feet? While I found his poetry somewhat self-absorbed and self -promoting I don't think it's as bad as Jim does.
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Yes, I think they were stretched to the limit to make a point.
Frankly, the ones that relate to the 4 techs. make me a bit squeamish, I prefer the more obscure ones.
I quite liked this one:
Tsu Chi of Nan Kuo was sitting propped against his armrest,
gazing at the sky and breathing quietly. He seemed to have
left his body. Yen Cheng Tsu Yu, who was standing next to
him, asked him what he was doing. "You look as though you
just ruined your body into dead wood and your mind to ashes.
Whoever is leaning on that armrest now, it certainly isn't
the man who was there a moment ago."
Tsu Chi replied, "That's a good question. I lost myself a
little while ago, do you understand? Maybe you have heard
the music of man but not the music of earth. Or you may
have heard the music of earth. But you haven't heard the
music of heaven."
Tsu Yu said, "I understand the earth's music to mean the sound
the wind makes in the hollow places of the earth, and man
plays his music with pipe and flute. But tell me, what is
the music of heaven?"
Tsu Chi replied, "When the wind blows through all the ten
thousand creatures, and each one sings in his own way,
who is responsible for the music?"
Chuang Tsu Inner chapters
This copy was given to me on promise that I not attempt to publish, I gave Charles my word, which I shall not break.
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From the midst of that radiance , the natural sound of Reality,
reverberating like a thousand thunders simultaneously sounding
will come. That is the natural sound of thine own real self.
Thine own consciousness, shining, void, and inseparable
from the Great Body of Radiance, hath no birth, nor
death, and is the Immutable Light.
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I remember back in 1974 there was a glossy magazine (was that "And It Is Divine"?) that DLM put out that had a series in it dedicated to (I think, my memory is hazy re those days) also proving the techniques related to science, possibly Einsteinian relativity or quantum mechanics. Were you involved in that as well?
As religious and spiritual and mystical ideas are often spoken of in metaphorical terms using light (and quite understandably so) there were probably gazillions of available quotes re light. And John's gospel and other Christian writings use the Logos or Word which DLM attached to the breath meditation or Holy Name. You must have had a harder time finding quotes that would relate to sticking your tongue backwards though or not?
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He should sit in the seven fold seated posture of
Buddha Vairochana: cross the legs in the lotus posture;
place both hands, one upon the other, below the navel;
straighten the spine like an arrow; slightly bend the neck
to press the throat; place the tongue against the roof
of the mouth; and focus the eyes.
The best drink is the nectar of the Bodhi-Mind
If there is no Stream-of Bodhi for my drinking, how can
I live without water and not thirst?
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He who with upturned tongue and concentrated mind drinks the nectar conquers death.
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Hi Ocker, This attachment comes from the "And He Is A Swine" publication. Funny how Cameraon has quotes about the anti Christ etc. and then talks about Guru Maharaj Ji or Prem Rawat. How profound Chucky the Chuckster was even back then!
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The eyes do not look forward, they lower their lids
and light up what is within. It shines on this place.
The mouth does not speak nor laugh. One closes the lips
and breathes inwardly. Breathing is at this place.
The nose smells no odours. Smelling is at this place.
The ear does not hear things outside. Hearing is at this
place. The whole heart watches over what is within.
Its watching is at this place.
Sit down daily to meditate with legs crossed. Let the
light in the eyes be stopped; let the hearing power of the
ear be crystallised and the tasting power of the tongue
diminished; that is, the tongue should be laid to the
roof of the mouth; let the breathing through the nose
be made rhythmical and the thoughts fixed on the dark door.
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Touching eyeballs as a feather, lightness between them
opens into heart and there permeates the cosmos.
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As printed in the Divine Crimes. Hard to believe isn't it?
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Good to see you again in these parts Hilltop, hope you are keeping well? Please could you let me know what actual publication and date the above was printed in as well as when and where Rawat gave that talk. Many thanks
Gallery
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Thank You Gallery! I should know better than to post something without all the other information to back it up, not that I blame you for asking. As your are doing a great job and service here (by service I mean something worthwhile) to help others see the real truth. Thank You once again. I don't have that information handy at the moment but I'll take a look.You'll all have to forgive me for that... Hilltop
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"To some people mind is this thing with two horns, ... "
He often said stupid, ignorant things like that. I wish I could have been there and jumped up and shouted: "Bullshit, no-one thinks that about mind and no-one thinks God is an old man with a beard who toothbrushes and washes his mouth also and no-one thinks t you got the Indian heaven, you got a Chinese heaven, you got you know this heaven, you
got that heaven, busy place." I'm reminded how ignorant he was as a kid by watching the video clips on ex-premie.org and the later clips show he hasn't been autodidacting much either. He's still ignorant.
And what about all the times he said things like "The sciptures are so beyootiful. There's the (long pause) Gita and the (long pause) Bible and the (very long pause) there's so many scriptures."
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.. is that m was brought up to think he was a teacher, before he'd learnt anything. A certain humility is required to learn from any source. M was conditioned to think all sources were beneath him.
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.. is that m was brought up to think he was a teacher, before he'd learnt anything. A certain humility is required to learn from any source. M was conditioned to think all sources were beneath him.
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How true! The arrogance of the entire family is really unfathomable. Born to teach, born to rule, born to enlighten the world, save mankind and end all war ... I wish someone would really confront the pompous fraud in a public program one day and that someone else snuck a mini-video camera in for all to see. We know he'll likely always have his ill-gained fortune. Likewise his ill-gained following. But there's no good reason that a guy like this, who's still cowardly seeking as much public face time as he is, can't get royally embarrassed by some good honest facts and arguments, is there?
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Too true Jim, that video. LOL
I'd love to see that
he should be made to sit for as
Long as it takes,
and have to answer IMO
(No more cop outs or
Wriggle outs, no freak outs: no
Blame shifting tirades)
just:
Answer honestly,
Every single question
That We ever had.
(or 'til:
The Satyuga came
Round again, or the Sun went
Cold. Or was that, Hell?
Oh; and then he should
Be made to give: to Each and
Every One of Us, like
darshan in reverse:
Individually: Our Minds:
Back. Personally.
And look Each One of
Us; sincerely in the eyes:
And apologise.
lp
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I'd love to see that
he should be made to sit for as
Long as it takes,
should read:
I'd love to see that
he should be made to sit for
As long as it takes,
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So sensitive to detail, metaphor, image, rhythm, language, line, thought, poetic syntax, and pattern. Not! Give us a break! Shelagh
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Once Charles Cameron dreamed he was a
butterfly. He was happy as a butterfly, enjoying
himself and going where he wanted. He did not know he
was Charles. Suddenly he awoke, whereupon he was startled
to find he was Charles. He didn't know whether Charles had
dreamed he was a butterfly, or if a butterfly were
dreaming it was Charles.
So why not ask him again. He may have changed his mind but I know what you mean by "make you squeamish".
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