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Structured water! Phooee. That's what structured fish piss in. I drink structured beer, me.
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Is it mesianic delusion,compulsive prophets disease, powerless tosser syndrome, or what? The guy always has to be announcing to the world some imminent mighty fact that other mortals have overlooked and he is able to reveal: eg-the presence of a living lord walking the planet, the discovery of the secret identity of Bhole Ji (!!!), the arrival of the great plague to end all plagues,and furthermore details on how we unseeing ones might be able to survive it with his help! There are probably more examples if I could be bothered to check Ren's biography which I can't. I am not impressed.I was born like that too and I've got over it. Hasn't he noticed the trend? This is surely some recognised condition he has, and shouldn't he by his own standards "do some work on it"? Have a day off O great one. I think he is secretly just trying to scare the shit out of evryone to keep his own dark double in business. That's not "spiritual" at all, Rennie, no virtue in that.No websites needed, no workshops, no speeches-nowt. Love Bryn
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This is surely some recognised condition he has, and shouldn't he by his own standards "do some work on it"? I think it's called "grandiosity". Remember, this is the guy who once stated he would shutdown the U.S. government. He's been on a roll ever since. Yes I do think Rennie has a "condition". In the vernacular, it's known as a very, very fat head.
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That's what it is. That kind of thing worked in something like the anti-war movement, because Rennie essentially rode a wave of the huge opposition to the Vietnam War. So, being "sure" and being resolute, and being willing to stand trial and go to jail, all worked. But in this kind of thing, he just sounds deluded, forced to peddle his claims to explain a startling technological or medical breakthrough that will provide happiness. In some way, he's actually competing with Rawat, in the sense he's marketing snake oil to make himself feel important.
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maybe he's/it's a proxymoron [p.r.oxymoron], or toxicmoron, or foxymoron, or boxymoron? Or, in other words, just plain ----!Part of scientific integrity is making sure you don't make assertive pronouncements and generalizations way beyond the limitations of your data. Typically, Rennie takes his generalizations into the Twilight Zone. Same old Rennet Ji! positively stomach curdling.
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This is surely some recognised condition he has, and shouldn't he by his own standards "do some work on it"?
Recognised? By acedemic types? You mean there is a name for this kind of grand delusion?
I recognise it, anyway. Look at the kind of logic he uses - he seems to think that happy, optimistic people are healthy and energetic, and concludes that to be healthy and energetic, all you have to do is be happy and optimistic. He doesn't ask whether things might be the other way round, that health tends to bring on a happy outlook, or any other way, like there isn't a connection at all, and his observations are just anecdotal and subjective. And he doesn't stop to think that his unproved theory might be wrong and therefore quite dangerous to anyone who thinks they are going to be immune from the new flu (if it comes) by being a bit hopeful. His solution to the flu thing is no better than those poor soldiers in Africa who think the voodoo protects them from bullets (the Lord's Resistance Army).
There are plenty of these delusions around. I have a friend that I have employed as a builder, and he's really good at what he does, and very quick, sharp and witty. But he was telling me the other day of a method he uses to get rid of demons with just a crystal pendulum and a piece of uliminium foil, and the great thing about it was, YOU DON'T NEED CHICKEN ENTRAILS! Somehow, the fact that I didn't need the entrails was the key selling point... Anyway, I had to steer the talk around to building, where the man is certainly worth listening to.
The point is, these delusions don't seem to be associated with any lack of intelligence. A lack of critical thinking maybe. It's strange how anyone with such intelligence can fail to apply it to their own beliefs. But of course, we have all been there.
These days I feel free of it. I question so much, and come up with few answers. What changed? It might have been the effect of keeping the company of people who were more rational than me.
I get the impression that people with these grand delusions are becoming more common. Maybe in these post-modern times where we create our own reality, people don't criticise each other's beliefs so much. Maybe the idea that whatever gets you through the night is alright (, alright) has seeped deep into our culture, but actually, maybe we are better off without some of the things that people use to get themselves through the night.
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Wow, I didn't know you could get rid of demons without chicken entrails. Actually, I didn't know you can get rid of demons at all. Would this guy's method work on rawat? Can you send me the details? Even if it did take chicken entrails, I'd try it for that!
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How about demonic world leaders? What about ALL the cult leaders? Anyone else "we" should get rid of? kk
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While Rennie is going on repeating the same old shtick there is one noteworthy but rather saddening aspect.
Thirty years ago he was doing it for free and having to cope with some pretty strong disagreement and even abuse from some of his former compatriots. Sure there were some side benefits which apparently included access to pretty ashramites but then no doubt there was more of that available in the anti-war movement. Now he's doing it to make money.
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One wonders how he got this way. He was, after all, just a regular guy inclined to grandstanding, political agitprop before he joined the cult. But how in the world did he get so new agey? I mean, some people just get out there bit by bit by bit. They don't have any better rational connection to the world and insufficient reasoning skills to rebuff this nonsense. Others, like Katie Darling, seem to have breakdowns which they interpret as divine tipoffs. But what happened with Rennie? Here's a theory. Having gone so ridiculously far-out on a limb for Rawat, he just couldn't bear the psychological price of admitting how foolish he'd been and has been looking for some way to rationalize his youthful folly ever since. Sheer pride, in other words.
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Rennet Ji, circa 1973: charming and positive!Rennie Davis: '…as a matter of fact I wouldn't be surprised if a UFO landed in the Astrodome while the Perfect Master is there, all the astrological conditions point to that possibility…beings on other planets must be equally thirsty for his Knowledge...' Krassner: This is like being with CREEP…. Did the Maharaj Ji give Richard Nixon a secret contribution? Davis: Yes—he gave Richard Nixon his life. Here are more excerpts
from the
New York Review of Books dated December 13, 1973: BLISSING OUT IN HOUSTON By Francine du Plessix Gray 'What'll we do with ourselves this afternoon,' Daisy cried, 'and the day after that, and the next thirty years?'
—F. Scott Fitzgerald The Great Gatsby October 21, 1973: Tonight I have an appointment with Rennie Davis to discuss his newborn self and the salvation of all mankind. Some months ago, Rennie shed his former political activism to receive the Divine Knowledge being offered by Guru Maharaj Ji, the fifteen-year-old Indian who claims to be an incarnation of God sent to humanity to bring us a thousand years of peace. Rennie and I walk toward a soul food restaurant not far from the New York headquarters of the Guru's organization—Divine Light Mission—on Park Avenue South. Rennie asks me what I think the Maharaj Ji is about. I answer him compulsively and with a sense of desperation. I talk about the proliferation of diverse mysticisms in reaction to the Sixties' failures, the Orientalism that seems to be spreading in the West, our despair over the technological mess, our disillusionment with the myth of material progress, the failure of secular humanism. Rennie smiles cynically. 'I know you have all the right historical dimensions,' he says, 'but you've left out the only thing that really matters.' He stops smiling and suddenly speaks in a curt, intense voice. The fact is, he says, that in the next few years the entire world is destined to recognize the Perfect Master Maharaj Ji. Perfect Master will trigger an awakening of our consciousness which will allow us to plug into the ground of Being—God—Divine Energy—and to realize the full potential of that energy within us. The Perfect Master's Knowledge will abolish all greed, hunger, violence, will bring a thousand years of world peace such as we have never witnessed in recorded history. The Millennium will begin on November 8, in the Houston Astrodome, where the Perfect Master will give his practical plan for world peace…. 'Peace Now!' 'Out Now!' The slogans of the Sixties flash through my mind, along with a previous memory of Rennie Davis: A meeting of peace coalitions in a state of mayhem. Rennie standing in isolation from the disorder, dressed in blue jeans and sneakers, quietly bouncing a tennis ball against the wall. I lose track of Rennie's voice for a few seconds, and I return to it to hear him saying: '…as a matter of fact I wouldn't be surprised if a UFO landed in the Astrodome while the Perfect Master is there, all the astrological conditions point to that possibility…beings on other planets must be equally thirsty for his Knowledge.' At the restaurant, Rennie eats his vegetarian meal with his left hand, Indian fashion, deftly cupping the food with his fingers. He tells me that he first heard of the Perfect Master from two of his devotees while flying to Paris last January to meet with Madame Binh. Shortly thereafter he left for India to stay at the Guru's ashram. He received Divine Knowledge—the Maharaj Ji's equivalent of Zen satori or Buddhist nirvana—one week after his arrival, and has been in meditation for several hours a day ever since. I express my qualms about the instantaneousness of this enlightenment. The difference between the Perfect Master's technique and others, Rennie says, is that it gives you a practical way of meditation which enables you to realize the Godhead within you very quickly, transforming your consciousness and hence your body. For a second the old politico returns: 'It's like Hegel rather than Marx. Spirit over matter.' 'And the marvelous thing about it,' he continues, 'is that everyone has the same vision. Everyone experiences the same thing'. Oh, after the infighting of the movement, the quibbling, the disorder, to have the unity we were talking about in the Sixties….' I ask Rennie how the Maharaj Ji's devotees feel about sex. He tells me that the great thing about this movement is that there are no strict rules. You are not ordered to give up anything. You just lose your desire for it—be it grass, meat, or sex. There is no renunciation whatsoever of the world, as there is among the Hare Krishna or Jesus people. As for sex, it's only forbidden in the ashrams; otherwise Mata Ji, the Perfect Master's mother, says it is better to have sex just for procreation. 'Christ, Rennie,' I say, 'do you think there's any fifteen-year-old whacking off between here and Scarsdale whose mother doesn't tell him that?' I regret the words, feeling uneasy with this new Puritan, but no matter, he doesn't seem to have listened. As we walk out of the restaurant he is staring at the sky, saying, 'One of the most beautiful things about Divine Light is its cleanliness, the purity….The ashrams are always kept impeccably clean in case Maharaj Ji drops in….Wow, after the filth of the Sixties' communes, the loose living….'
3 PM: Paul Krassner of The Realist has challenged Rennie Davis to a public debate, and Davis has accepted. I take a few notes. Resolved: That Davis has copped out to turn kids away from social responsibility to personal escape. Davis: Ever since I've returned from India I've felt the hope, the incredible joy which I think can await us all. I have realized that the hopes of the Sixties are going to be fulfilled in the Seventies, that the Sixties' generation of peace is going to finally peak…. We grew up at a time in the Sixties, with the new left, when we saw we were inspired to not start with a blueprint or philosophy or doctrine…. Only a commitment to process and to learning to control the process. In the same way, Divine Light Mission is an experience that's being offered and you can't draw judgments on it until you've had the experience. The Maharaj Ji gives us an experience of the mystery of life, of the purpose of creation, of God. Krassner: I find that the Maharaj Ji is the spiritual equivalent of Mark Spitz…. I'm interested in knowing the status of Rennie's love life. I hear that it's okay for mahatmas to have sex but not for the premies. Davis: In the ashrams we practice celibacy to suspend confusion…. We see that sex is not only for pleasure but for bringing another soul into the human body so it can come to realize Knowledge. Krassner: It's natural for the kids to turn to the Second Coming of Santa Claus…. Davis: He's no Santa Claus. He's the Lord. His trip is our trip…. When I decided to receive Knowledge I felt the light technique was questionable…but then I saw this incredible light in the center of a circle in the middle of my forehead…a diamond was there spinning and spinning and getting larger and larger…and then the divine music…a heavy roar for a while then dinnnnnnnng, every fiber of my being began to vibrate…an incredible wave of bliss shot through me…then my mind began to play this incredible rock and roll, Bam boum boum boum boum. Krassner: This is like being with CREEP…. Did the Maharaj Ji give Richard Nixon a secret contribution? Davis: Yes—he gave Richard Nixon his life. "
Rennet Ji postscript: oy vey! their coming to take him away haha hoho hehe haha...
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What's worrying here is how little Rennie seems to have developed. He is spouting the same wacko nonsense now as he was back then. Yet he has the nerve to lecture us about "killing the guru" and moving on. Neville B
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At the restaurant, Rennie eats his vegetarian meal with his left hand, Indian fashion, deftly cupping the food with his fingers. Er, only the Indian fashion is to eat with the right hand. The left hand is used for "toilet duties" - as anyone who has been to India can attest. I guess this little tidbit explains everything . . .
Related link: http://www.indax.com/eating.html
Modified by Dr.wow at Tue, Feb 21, 2006, 23:03:22
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The only difference between Rennie's wacko theories now, and his wacko theories back then is this - back then we shared the same delusions.The premie mindset, with all it's perfect this, perfect that, knowledge of this, Lord of that, Holy Family, lotus feet, divine nectar ... it's almost wackier than Rennie's current ideas. Did I say almost?
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Hi cq, Someone ought to tell Rennie about the influenza pandemic of 1918. The people that had the strongest immune systems died very fast, and were hit the hardest. That's young people, not old and infirm people. The virus was so hot that healthy immune systems worked too hard, overtime, really and killed the body. Young, healthy folks were waking up, going to work feeling fine, and within hours, dropping dead on the streets. Many people died of the secondary infections, like pneumonia. Since when is Rennie an infectious disease specialist? People like him are dangerous.
Modified by Cynthia at Wed, Feb 22, 2006, 08:09:07
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You're right Cynthia, the advice to build up and strengthen your immune system is quite the OPPOSITE of what Rennie should be advising, according to these reports:"Laboratory tests on human cells showed that the virus caused the immune system to send proteins called cytokines to infected lung cells, a reaction that would end up damaging or destroying the tissues the immune system is meant to defend. … The research suggested that patients who contract bird flu may need drugs that suppress the immune response in addition to anti-viral drugs like Tamiflu. It also indicated that healthy people with strong immune systems could fare worse than others if they became infected." www.sci-tech-today.com/story ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Bird flu might cause such severe disease and kill so many people because it makes the immune system 'overreact', say researchers. They say that suppressing the immune response could be a way to treat infection by the H5N1 virus, which has killed 64 people in Asia — about half of all confirmed cases.
In a study published online today (11 November) by Respiratory Research, the researchers showed that lung cells infected with the virus produce considerably more 'messenger' chemicals than cells infected with a normal human flu virus. These chemical messengers alert the immune system to send white blood cells to attack the source of infection. The production of so many messenger molecules could explain why H5N1-infected people's lungs are "full" of a kind of white blood cell called macrophages, says lead researcher Malik Peiris of the University of Hong Kong. His team previously showed that white blood cells release a chemical that, if present in abundance, can damage lung tissue.
Peiris says that if the disease and deaths H5N1 causes can be proven to be due to such changes to the immune system, it might be possible to treat infection by targeting the messenger chemicals produced by infected cells. A drug that blocks the messenger chemical or limits its production might protect infected patients from their own immune system while they receive flu drugs that can kill the virus itself. But Peiris points out that the research needed would take "not months, but years". www.scidev.net It makes the advice given out by sites like http://www.beat-bird-flu.com look like the height of irresponsibility. BTW, if this is getting a bit too off-topic, I've started a thread on Drek's old talk-board, http://www.drek.us/aaa/index.shtml
Related link: http://www.drek.us/aaa/index.shtml
Modified by cq at Wed, Feb 22, 2006, 12:29:21
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Here's a slightly different perspective - but useful, especially for anyone trying to explain this whole thing to kids"The flu, like the common cold, comes in many flavors. More flavors than your local Haagen Daz. You may get plain vanilla flu and develop immunity, and next year, along comes raspberry ripple to make you very sick. Unfortunately, each strain of the flu is ALSO very good at mutating. The store brand vanilla flu you got when you were four has been replaced by gourmet extra rich ad creamy vanilla flu and your body says, “I’ve never had this before!” and you get very sick, again. Bird flu is not like any other flu. Regular flus get into your nose and throat and lungs, and make your body ache all over. Bird flu is a Super Flu. It attacks a lot more organs in your body. It is like nuclear war - it hits your liver, kidneys, intestines, heart, brain, lungs, and it just doesn’t stop. Your body doesn’t know this disease. Its NEW. No one has any immunity to it at all. But you body does know its under attack - and to stop the damage, your immune system mounts a massive effort, flooding your lungs with white blood cells. If you are young, if your immune system is strong, it will send so much to your lungs, you drown. If your immune system isn’t so good, then you stand a better chance of catching the flu in the first place, and a better chance of developing complications like bacterial pneumonia, which is lethal in its own right. EVERYONE is susceptible. That does not mean everyone will GET it. Just like regular flu, a lot depends on your level of exposure, and your health habits. If you wash your hands frequently, avoid touching your face, and stay away from crowded places and people who have bird flu, then you lessen your chances of infection."
Related link: from http://www.fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Forum.Immunity
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Hi Cynthia, That's the first time I've heard that theory about an over-active immune system killing people. From what I have read, no one knows for sure why the 20-40 age group had the largest mortality in the Spanish flu, but the theories I have heard are: 1. The flu hit in WWI and started out among soldiers (actually they think it began in France), who were jammed together in camps and on transport ships and the like. This kind of concentration of one age group in one place was very unusual except in war, and resulted in higher infection rates than other groups, and hence a higher number of deaths; 2. There is also a theory that older people had some at least partial immunity from earlier strains of flu 20-30 years earlier that the younger people didn't have. I understand they have recovered a 1918 strain and are researching this. Actually, in most flu epidemics, older people get the flu less frequently because of immunity, but because of age if they do get it, they are more likely to die of it. Frankly, I can't understand what in the hell Rennie does, except self-promotion. It makes no sense to me.
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Hi Joe, A couple of years ago I read The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History by John M. Barry. It's a very interesting read. It was there that I first read about to why young people with healthy immune systems burned the virus so quickly and died. It's true that the epidemic started in France, but some in the military brought it back to the U.S. where they lived in tight quarters in Kansas, I think. The lack of quarantine caused the quick spread, but so many died, and once it hit the general public the same happened. 4,500 people died in Philly in one day alone. It's hard to fathom. It's amazing to read what the government was telling people about how to avoid getting sick, and how health departments told the public not to panic or worry, because that's what makes people more sick! I've linked to Amazon's page on the book (sorry) if you're interested. I got my copy from the libarary. Yeah, Rennie's proved to be quite a disappointment.
Related link: The Great Influenza...
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PBS recently did a show on the epidemic as well. It was pretty well done. They really explained how the war exacerbated the epidemic. Apparently, as you say, it started in France, but US troops brought it back to the US. The kids had this great jump rope rhyme: I had a little bird, her name was Enza I opened the window and in flew Enza. Woodrow Wilson made the decision to continue the troop ships to Europe in 1918 even though he knew that the influenza would spread that way, because the troops were packed like sardines on those ships. Apparently Philadelphia really got hit the hardest of Eastern cities, and many small towns tried to quarantine themselves from outsiders, but the theory is that the flu was spread to them anyway by the letter carriers. They apparently didn't understand that people were contageous prior to showing symptoms themselves. BTW -- my grandmother and my aunt, who was a baby at the time, both got the Spanish flu and like most people, they survived. For some reason, my grandfather didn't get it at all. I do believe, however, that is only a matter of time before we have an epidemic just as bad, and we are ill prepared.
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>Frankly, I can't understand what in the hell Rennie does, except self-promotion. It makes no sense to me. Where indeed might Rennie have picked up unconsciously, osmotically, whatever, an idea as outrageous? Sure beats me, Joe - LOL!  Nige
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Clients have included the President of HBO, president of the Manville Corporation, officers of Time-Warner and IBM, the board of directors of Gates Rubber Company and others. I wonder what that's about. Manville? The numero uno defendant in asbestos litigation? Gates Rubber Company? Not exactly on the side of the light. And what are these "stragetic agreements?" Union Carbide? He was a principal in the organization and development of TSL Incorporated where he secured agreements with Union Carbide. He also organized RBC Universal and served as the company's Chief Operating Officer where he secured strategic agreements with Ford Motor Company, EverReady Battery Company and Ray-O-Vac.
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If his claims re past clients are as bogus as his claims re the "technology" his "Foundation" is currently supporting I wouldn't pay them too much credence. On the surface it just appears to be a front to make him appear worthy of those "workshop" fees which are probably his income source and the rest is as vaporous as Prem Rawat's PR claims to be a world recognised master of peace with ties to the United Nations, etc.
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He's creating his own reality by being a lazy, has-been new age, new millennium hippie, with that clear, bright-eyed look. He probably would rather dazzle folks with his wavy-gravy double-talk, collecting speaker/workshop fees, than work for a real, legitimate living. He's living in his past, convincing himself he's offering anyone anthing, and probably thinking that anyone really gives a rat's ass about "Rennie Davis," the former whatever he was. I find him sad and kind of pathetic. He did get the guru/motivational thingy down though, real well. His writing is boring as dust. But, that's just me... 
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no it's not only you, it's me too. The mental state of Rennie Davies is more dangerous than bird flu. I'm cured from this virus..........wolfie
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This has been a particularly good year for Laurie and me. So, wanting to give something back to Gaia, we talked a bit about all this Rennie Davis stuff and asked why was he brought into our lives just now, now when we need to make our charitable contributions before March 1st? Anyway, we took the plunge and signed up as Spirit members. It feels good already! 
Related link: http://www.ffh.org/member.html
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| To Do: | Adult | | Event Type: | Lecture | | Details: | Presentation Description: In the 1960s, Rennie Davis was the coordinator of the largest anti-war and civil rights coalition in the United States and one of the Chicago 7. Recognizing that many political activists of that period have moved on, aligning today more to the writings of Deepak Chopra or the PBS Specials of Wayne Dyer, Rennie speaks about the present time with new information about natural cycles shaping this time and the possibility to create a new direction on earth. Topics Include: -The time in which we live -Walking out of the prison of the human condition -Disconnecting from social consciousness -A present day natural cycle of the sun--a genesis medium that created the 23rd pair of chromosomes and the first human beings -New humanity communities -Breakthrough technologies for self-sufficient community developments Rennie Davis is also presenting a unique all day New Humanity Workshop on Saturday February 25 with new information about the physical changes involved in experiencing divine human, including how to take the reins of your own DNA and how to develop the blood system, kundalini organ, cold fusion and other biological steps that support a new stage of awareness. Presenter's Biography In the 1960s, Rennie Davis organized many of this country's most dramatic public events, including the largest civil disobedience demonstrations in American history. He remains a recognized spokesman for his generation, featured on numerous network television documentaries and media forms, from VH1 to CNN, the Legend series produced by CBS, Larry King Live, Barbara Walters and Phil Donahue. He has served as a strategic planner for CEOs of diverse Fortune 500 companies. He is currently President of the Foundation for a New Humanity. "In today's generation, the world's certainty that external events are the cause of every human trouble is being re-examined. A considerable population is now asking, is it possible that within our own buried beliefs, we unknowingly create our own fearful condition? In a new inquiry into the origin of the human crisis, a key to unlock the prison of the human condition appears, inspiring a new direction on Earth." -Rennie Davis Website: http://www.ffh.org Workshop: Sat. 2/25 http://www.rvml.org/calendar/wc02252006.htm Workshop Information: bridgit@bridgitssolutions.com (541) 324-3855 | | Starts: | 7:00 PM | | Ends: | 9:00 PM | | Location: | Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library
258 A Street
Ashland, OR 97520 | |  |
| | Sponsor: | RVML | | Contact: | office@rvml.org">Lisa by phone at 541-552-9119. |
Related link: http://todayinashland.com/Calendar.asp?View=EVENT&EventID=1946&Date=02/21/2006&SectionID=-1
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That looks like a fun night too
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Location:
Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library
258 A Street
Ashland, OR 97520Try getting that address into a work of fiction - it wouldn't be allowed.
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Sorry, I've just had this passing Latvian door-to-door used emoticom salesman, and to get rid of him, bought this green thing and thought I'd try it out.
Modified by nigel at Thu, Feb 23, 2006, 11:26:19
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I mean, I know it's only Canadian dollars, but still, I'd send you some really good Napa Valley wine (Cabernet or Pinot) as a bonus if you joined MY organization! Quite a range of memberships, no? $15 or $25,000. Let's see.....
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