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jonas ®

04/11/2007, 19:24:21
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This is what I got in the mail the other day. Not the first key as I thought,
but a 50min commercial ABOUT the keys.

Now I understand how the premies approached me.
Todays Prem.org weeds out possible ex-premies. They make sure
that you start off with the first key after you understand Prems guidelines for
the keys.

Guidelines:
1. Whatch the keys for a maximum of two hours a day.

2. Don't be curious.

3. Be consistent.

4. One step at a time.

5. Come from a simple place.

6. Take the time to understand.

7. Review ehat you have learned.

8. It's about your heart.

9. Knowledge is not the destination-
it's the jorney.

10. Remember this life.

On the dvd a preimie gives an example as to why PR has followers.
"Why do people follow you around?
They do not follow me, they follow their heart."

Then a music "video" (is that a satsang???)

It ends with Q&As.


Note that todays PR does not mention once that it is him it all resolves around.
He even say at the end of the Q&As that if you can find knowledge another place and it works, by all means try that.
heh.. now with my mind and wonderful ego back I can see through his truths and spot the little PR trojans.

I wonder how far out in the keys he stops beeing so low key?





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Don't Be Curious
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Marianne ®

04/11/2007, 19:45:56
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The warning sign is right there at #2. Why not be curious?






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ocker ®

04/11/2007, 21:17:03
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So there is a 50 minute commercial DVD first. I think there are 6 DVDs in the first Key but I've never got past looking at the first DVD for more than 5 minutes. If you already know Rawat's spiel is false and there is nothing particular you are looking for then he bores very quickly. The parts I looked at were just parts of his ordinary speeches and pretty big parts at that.

In the end the major part of "Knowledge" is quite simple, accept anything Rawat says and anything you hear about him and that's it.

As far as I can see, the sticking your fingers on your eyes, thumbs in your ears, concentrating on your breath and curling your tongue backwards for an hour a day could only have a really beneficial effect if Rawat is an incarnation of God and obeying him somehow provides a channel for God's grace. There were some 70's premies who actually believed the meditation worked by itself and didn't have anything to do with Rawat but I assume they just didn't think about it very deeply or end up doing it very long.

I wonder how long your new friends will still be friends should you continue to learn more about Rawat and tell them about your knowledge.






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Actually, that's a classic part of his sales pitch
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Jim ®

04/11/2007, 21:17:05
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He even say at the end of the Q&As that if you can find knowledge another place and it works, by all means try that.

Rawat's been saying that all his life, actually.  In fact, it was one of the things that impressed me so.  "Now how could he be anything but the real Lord of the Universe talking that way?" I asked myself.  LOL!!







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Re: Actually, that's a classic part of his sales pitch
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ocker ®

04/11/2007, 21:22:34
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I can even remember hearing in satsang that someone had tried it and gone to all the gurus in India (sounds very Joan Apter) but even then I knew that was bullshit, there being so very many gurus.

I must post that clip of Ron Geaves repeating how he fell for that spiel and also the one of Tim Gallwey saying how he was convinced Rawat wqas the true satguru because Rawat was such a bad guru that he couldn't be a fake as any fake would be a better guru that Rawat was so Rawat must be real.







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Common sense talk about The Keys...
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nomorefootkissing ®

04/11/2007, 21:26:54
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Thank You for posting about The Keys.

I posted this attachment down below in another thread but I think it should be up here as well because it's about The Keys too. I hope La-ex doesn't mind me reposting this.

I just think this was and is a great post. It's filled with common sense, good questions, and some humor too.

nmfk.

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Re: An Introduction to The Keys
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Cynthia ®

04/12/2007, 07:27:39
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These are all typical cult-grooming techniques that use circular logic to confuse people into thinking Rawat can grow a "real" understanding of life, thirst, and gratitude in people.  They are tiny thought-mantras, or mind-control techniques used by cult recruiters to instill in you that you can't possibly understand Knowledge unless you follow these rules and only listen to these Rawat-approved tapes.  That's why the premies you met told you never to talk to ex-premies.

As Jim told you Jonas, for decades Maharaji has been telling people to search the earth and universe to find peace, and when you don't, then to finally (oh so thirsty!!!) come back to him.  It's a comman sales techique.  Like:  "Drive a Ford, and when it breaks down on you, come back, I'll be here and you can try out this BMW."  The catch is that if someone does receive Knowledge and isn't satisfied, then you better not dare to say it gave you nothing, because if you do say anything criticial of Rawat or Knowledge, you will be blamed for it not working for you, not Rawat. 

Watch the keys for a maximum of two hours a day.

This is so you can't later say that repetitious listening caused you to become indoctrinated.

Don't be curious.

This reminds me of one of the Five Commandments Rawat issued to premies:  "Never leave room for doubt in your mind."  Don't ask questions or just don't question at all. What kind of a teacher tells a student not to be curious?  What kind of teacher is so arrogant that they don't think they can ever learn something from a student and/or their questions?

Be Consistent.

What does "be consistent" mean?  Consistent in or with what?

One step at a time

An Alcoholic Anonymous slogan.  Freudian, too given Rawat's alcoholism.

Come from a simple place.

Same as "come with a guileless heart."  That's what we were told in the 70s.  Open your heart, be simple, and be without guile.

Take the time to understand.

Understand what?  And what if it takes someone more than two hours to understand something on a tape?  The the premie-mentor will tell you to listen to the tape again until you to understand.  All questions will be answered by listening to Rawat.

Review what you have learned.

This one is just dumb.

It's about your heart.

What is the definition of  "it's?" 

Knowledge is not the destination- it's the journey.

But, but, but....!  I thought Knowledge can bring me inner peace?  Oops, that was too curious of me, wasn't it?  This one is designed to set up a new premie for failure and increase their dependency on Rawat for inspiration.  "No experience with the meditation?  Well, it's the journey, you're not understanding, listen to tape #x again and you'll really understand."

Remember this life.

Not, remember your life.  But, both would be dumb things to say to people.  It is designed to trick you into thinking that "this life" is not yours and Rawat is the only one who can teach you something about your life.  How does an aspirant "remember this life" if they haven't received the gift of Knowledge yet, which is advertised as the thing that can bring you a consciousess, awareness, and appreciation of "this life?"  More mind-f**king.

"Why do people follow you around? They do not follow me, they follow their heart."

This is just a bald-faced lie.  Premies do follow him around.  He's still fudging answers to the question of his divinity and people's dependence upon him.






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Re: An Introduction to The Keys
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jonas ®

04/13/2007, 06:39:16
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*Cynthia wrote:
*As Jim told you Jonas, for decades Maharaji has been telling people to search the
* earth and universe to find peace, and when you don't, then to finally
*(oh so thirsty!!!) come back to him. It's a comman sales techique

I also think he want to weed out freethinkers and sceptics this way, because he does not want them in his cult do he?







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Follow your heart?
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04/12/2007, 20:54:55
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What is this "it's about your heart" supposed to mean, exactly? How can Rawat give people an experience of their "heart" if it isn't devotion to him?

I think this is the "subtly packaged for the 2000's" version of what was the core of the cult in the 1970s, devotion and worship of Rawat. What other teacher asks that you love him as the centre of the experience he's offering? Devotion by another name, pure and simple. Raj yoga, as it's been called for centuries in India.

I don't understand how there can be an experience of "heart" without adoration of Rawat as the central theme of it. It still is, and has been what he's always offered, just slicker and more modern packaging.

Following their heart is what people do who are being "love bombed" by cults like the Children of God and yes, People's Temple. This is no different. Buyer beware.







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Here's another very good post about The Keys...
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nomorefootkissing ®

04/13/2007, 22:04:26
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Hi Jonas,

Here is another post that I saved about The Keys that Will wrote a while ago, that I think was and still is very good. I hope Will doesn't mind me reposting this attachment.

I always enjoy reading his posts. He has a post down below in a different thread that is well worth reading too. (if you didn't read it yet) Will makes many clear and valid points in my opinion, as do others here.

I highly congradulate you Jonas for thinking enough about yourself to check things out about Prem Rawat. Why not? 

I mentioned recently that there really should be a introductory Key DVD about Prem Rawat's past, so that the new people interested in Prem Rawat's knowledge could get the 'bigger picture' of what he's trying to sell them.

I think I would feel (some what) better about the whole thing if Prem Rawat just told the truth for once about his past. Then if someone wanted to get into his Key's program, then (maybe) fine.

To me it is a matter of honesty more than anything else. Ask Steve he knows. And that is one of the reasons why I post on this forum. If Prem Rawat can't tell the truth about his past and present, etc. then others will have to do it for him. It's as simple as that. Honesty is still the best policy.

Sincerely imho, nmfk

 

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