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That's way too many questions to pose to a premie. Usually one question is more than a premie will answer honestly.
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There are five or six DVDs in each key, and each key totals about 68-70 hours. Can you imagine sitting all the way through five keys of that? You would either not make it, or be so completely brainwashed at the end of it, your life would effectively be over. Nobody but already brainwashed premies are sitting through premboy and his squeak-fest. Normal, still sane people will not subject themselves to this kind of abuse.
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What are you then equipped with? What are you then, supposedly able to do?
Or what perspective has one been inveigled into seeing from?
What special ideas about Maharaji have people been slowly and gently shoe-horned into wearing?
The techniques take a few hours at most to learn.
To a normal western perspective that might be minutes unless it was a specific subject of eastern yoga research or study one had chosen.
So in india, besides sitting still in various postures designed to maximise concentration, they also sometimes tried this and this and this , but mostly we just try this... bows head to feet of master..... We have to concentrate the mind at all costs?
It's just a subject of some passing interest over here. What slow inexorable process takes place listening to those DVD's to get to a place where a person becomes almost physically incapable of seeing any one of what are gaping flaws in the whole self serving loop.
Loops: seeing as there is a contra flow. Maharaji is firmly and squarely placed in the person's life. Not yoga methods. And a cash flow gently but inexorably leaks toward the guru's contra rotating loop.
As these indoctrinating energies flow more strongly toward the person, the flow of financial support, becomes stronger in the other.
The poor are tolerated because sometimes even their psychobabble is mistaken by new people, (who might have money) as satsang.
And they then become as besotted as we were with the guru, but in a suit this time. But every so often the guru strikes gold and finds a wealthy premie, that one gets a "special opportunity" invitation. Slowly, but inexorably prepared to be slowly and inexorably drawn in.
Modified by Lp at Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 03:39:32
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"What slow inexorable process
takes place listening to those DVD's to get to a place where a person
becomes almost physically incapable of seeing any one of what are
gaping flaws in the whole self serving loop."
Well that isn't the case Lp, they're not incapable. Keep this in perspective. In the Brisbane propagation team minutes recently posted, and in case anyone is wondering I was not the source of that document, these figures were given:
In the past year:
5,000 people view each screening of Words Of Peace, it currently screens each week day, Monday to Friday
749 requested the Discovering more package
56 began the Keys
16 "received Knowledge"
8 came to "Knowledge review"
The dropout rate is substantial right up to and after the "initiation". It is not an inexorable process and it's pretty straight-forward. Rawat only has a few key statements and these are repeated, time and again. Repetition, remember how we learnt the muliplication tables? It's simple and effective but very boring.
And I'd say the "techniques" can be learnt in less than 2 minutes.
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Yeah, we'd say: drummed into you.. multiplication tables is a good example except these days teenagers still don't know them.
Those are some pretty poor figures,..don't even need our 'times tables.' I wonder how America is doing.
So the honcho type is a dying breed, they won't be able to get new people to that stage. It's fading.
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I wonder how America is doing. North America is doing very well without Prem Rawat or his knowledge.  But, here's a new website. I heard (a little birdy told me) that there are very lengthy instructions for holding public programs (intros) -- some ridiculous number of pages, like 50. It doesn't surprise me because premies aren't supposed to think at all anymore, not even to make a simple decision like how to screw in a lightbulb and then dim it. http://www.connectnorthamerica.org/index.cfm If North America was doing well with spreading K, you can bet EV would be bragging about it.
Modified by Cynthia at Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:58:22
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That means everyone is going to have to watch them all again!Bryn
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That's why a premie can't buy or own the keys. Premboy is reserving the right to constantly "update" them. So, obviously, it is being seen as a steady, if small, source of income. All he will have to do is come out with an "updated" set of keys and the premies will send off for them again. Oh, yeah, right, they are "free"...with a $15-$18 dollar shipping fee. The mailing is about $2.00 each way. I suspect he's going to make "Highlights from the Keys" or something similar available from time to time. And he will dangle little carrots with it, maybe a thouroughly air-brushed picture of himself with his bliss-shit grin on. Got to keep the cash rolling in! However he does it, the keys will, in my opinion, be used as a steady revenue source.
I just noticed that on virtually every section of that Connect crap there is a link to giving or fundraising or funding..........anything to keep the money rolling in. Aren't most not for profit organizatoins content with one donations link on their site? He has at least six on the first page! No, it's not about inner peace. It's about his inner wallet!
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hmn .. I wonder how many hits on the help desk buttons are ever sincere, deep or revealing questions, or if they have any interesting offers in the suggestions box, but of course they would probably end up in the paper shredder anyway.
But are there comparative sets of figures as Ocker has presented for the year's performance? And for Europe? UK?
You're right who say I'm way behind in my image updates of what the mission in situ: speadeagled over the world actually is and looks like. (Reduce poetic licence where appropriate for me)
For years the world for me has been just what's outside my window, fortunately not too bad, but tarnished by what I remember of the world, when in my youth I ventured beyond my local hills and valleys and became entangled in this guru business.
I thank the internet and especially the forum masters, for without them this memeory would have left a blemish on the sky and a shadow on the hills as I struggled alone to come to terms with what happened to decades of the best years of my life.
It is so easy it seems to overlook the fact that the forum acts as a kind of healing centre also, where all help each other back up on their human being feet and dust each other off. Each expresses their own loyalties to truth or humanity quite clearly. But they are quite individual and unique.
And I thank, something, I know not what, for that quality of being able to appreciate simplicity, and the truth that it entails, in a human being. And for its ability, collectively, to eventually heal the convoluted mind-bending that ends up being achieved (by numbers of followers, just in order to maintain the wheels on the guru's caravan).
I'm glad we have minds and the ability to think for ourselves, to speak and to type and hit 'send'. Good old humans, proud a' ya.
Modified by Lp at Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 09:31:11
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I saw this on the Connect site. Is this how Amaroo started ? Forty acres and a dream
Four years ago, forty acres were purchased in Southwestern, Wisconsin by two women with a lofty dream: to create an organic and sustainable farm, to provide a safe haven for people in times of disaster and to preserve traditional healing as taught by indigenous healers. Today Echo Valley Farm is well on its way to accomplishing its goals, and many people have enjoyed the benefits of those accomplishments.
Set in an unglaciated portion of the Midwest, the hills surroundim@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" /> ng the farm may remind visitors of the Appalachians, right down to smoking morning mists and brilliant starlit nights.
People go to Echo Valley to learn and enjoy –– and many have taken advantage of it. The farm's founders say it has proven to be a very wonderful and effortless place to introduce Prem Rawat and his message. There is an amphitheater to seat about 1,000, a stage and now a heliport.
These efforts are being made, in part, to give Prem Rawat easy access to the farm for events, if he should accept the invitations that have been sent.
An exciting new addition to the farm has grown out of several people's vision and intention to help others. It is called Echo Valley Hope, Inc. and is a charitable nonprofit dedicated to public education and awareness in ecological preservation, sustainable agriculture, renewable energy, disaster and hunger relief, and community building.
 Some of these projects have already given hope to many in the surrounding area, and those presenting the events are happy to offer the natural amphitheater and beauty for these purposes. They are also excited to be able to offer to the surrounding communities of Madison, Milwaukee, Minneapolis and Chicago, the opportunity to learn about what is being offered in terms of disaster relief and future outreach efforts to bring Prem Rawat’s message to this area.
Echo Valley Farm is open to guests seven days a week. Advance notice of a visit is preferred, but if you happen to be in the area, you shouldn’t hesitate to stop by and say hello
Modified by geo at Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:11:01
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Modified by Cynthia at Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 06:15:50
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Sorry I can not help it , But If you build the place and DRAW a Magic Circle in the Grass The Helicopter will come and the bands will play and the show is on Gee isn't that what the Dead Indian guy said OPPs well Auhrora Ills and the free public cable access is near by so Waynes Worlrd is On and the Helicopter will land why not a frikin Space ship Really Oh no that would mess up the sustainable Arigculture Oh Just Shoot me I have had enough of this woo woo new age bs
Modified by geo at Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 15:28:18
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You can watch 70 hours of the most boring bullshit like Rawat's incoherent blather, or you could sleep through most of it. But I think the key element of the programming/mind control is the idea that you have to be "ready" to receive knowledge, and you have to have no more "questions," and no more "doubts." Of course, Rawat's 70s hours of blather don't answer any questions, or remove any doubts, at all. He just says over and over that knowledge is the key, that people want peace and they need the master for inspiration and guidance. That is a 10 minute talk. The purpose of the 70 hours is to try to build up the idea that Rawat is important, that he's the key, that he should be, actually worshipped. The rest is just repression. You repress your questions and doubts so you "don't have any" and are "ready to receive knowledge." After you receive it, to one extent or another a "student" will then continue to engage in question and doubt suppression. If they do it a lot, it becomes automatic, and they become like all of us were, where we don't even see the self-censorship that's going on. It is so ingrained. And if that happens, somebody really could hang around and give money to Rawat for 35 years, heaven forbid.
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misprint surely ~ 70h of DVDs
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